Undeveloped.com Experience

JudgeMind · Nov 12, 2015

Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.

DAN.COM · Nov 19, 2018

alcy said:
@Undeveloped

i notice for a while now that each time i visit any lander for first time after i reboot my device... it takes very longtime for page to show anything..it just stays blank for like few secs...after first load then its fast..but obviously as we know most if not all potential buyers always visit our lander for first time..and most do it once only so its important the delay not be there at all..

any idea why?

im refering to regular fast updated android fone..latest chrome etc.. working fine and fast on all other sitea

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joro001 said:
Same experience.

By the way, are you guys referring to when visiting a recently parked domain for the first time? Because if so, there's indeed a delay because we have to real-time generate the SSL certificate upon the very first visit.

There's a small delay caused by this (SSL generation) which we have zero influence on and can't accelerate.

Kind regards,
Reza

alcy · Nov 19, 2018

Undeveloped said:
Hi Alcy,

Based on the above information I can't pinpoint what causes that but I suspect it has something to do with your local setup. We've invested a lot of time and resources in the past months to make the for sale pages load very fast and the caching happens on our servers so you shouldn't see any delays, even if you delete your own cache.

Kind regards,
Reza

what u say is possible unless others have same issue

perhaps we can wait for their input...

if this is yer end issue then such delayed first visits could be lead killers... we can test and reload our pages 20 times..but with leads... we only get one shot at it

id appreciate if u can monitor this.. i think its crucial

joro001 · Nov 19, 2018

Undeveloped said:
By the way, are you guys referring to when visiting a recently parked domain for the first time? Because if so, there's indeed a delay because we have to real-time generate the SSL certificate upon the very first visit.

There's a small delay caused by this (SSL generation) which we have zero influence on and can't accelerate.

Kind regards,
Reza

Yes I understand that. I am personally speaking generally on first load even when not just added.
I must say I find this only when opting for the redirect to undeveloped marketplace. However, without using the redirect it loads nice and fast for me straight away.

alcy · Nov 19, 2018

Undeveloped said:
By the way, are you guys referring to when visiting a recently parked domain for the first time? Because if so, there's indeed a delay because we have to real-time generate the SSL certificate upon the very first visit.

There's a small delay caused by this (SSL generation) which we have zero influence on and can't accelerate.

Kind regards,
Reza

not sure what u mean by parked page.. or rcently parked...but im just talking about any undeveloped sale lander

alcy · Nov 19, 2018

well yes that is true...me to i do bodis redirect...

still i use bodis redirect for every other lander too..and works good

i guess u will tell me to point dns to u direct but for me and many others this is not really prefered

so i hope u can still try to fix it

DAN.COM · Nov 19, 2018

alcy said:
well yes that is true...me to i do bodis redirect...

still i use bodis redirect for every other lander too..and works good

i guess u will tell me to point dns to u direct but for me and many others this is not really prefered

so i hope u can still try to fix it

Can you PM me more details? If you're redirecting from Bodis, the first load time is that of Bodis until the redirect is established then Undeveloped takes over.

How fast does this page (https://antiwet.com) load for you when you visit it?

masvil · Nov 19, 2018

Undeveloped said:
Hi Masvil,

Welcome on board and thank you for your feedback about the related domains. We currently show popular other domains there because almost all smaller portfolios won't have relevant names to show that match the original domain. So we do try to show relevant names but often there are none in the account of the seller.

That feature also has some SEO value to consider, portfolio's that enable crosslinking seem to get better indexing at the major search engines like Google.

Kind regards,
Reza

Good point. Just to make it clear: in my suggestion those five (or less) "related domain" should be hand-picked by the seller instead of automatically picked by the platform. I mean as an option alternative to the current show-all or show-none.

alcy · Nov 19, 2018

Undeveloped said:
Can you PM me more details? If you're redirecting from Bodis, the first load time is that of Bodis until the redirect is established then Undeveloped takes over.

How fast does this page (https://antiwet.com) load for you when you visit it?

yes for sure first redirect is bodis..but..

1... it works good on 2nd 3rd etc redirect...just 1st is bad

2...it works good on 1st rwdirect for other places..

so imo this is not bodis issue

davidc1 · Nov 19, 2018

not any answer about my 3 words: https://www.namepros.com/threads/undeveloped-com-experience.893201/page-57#post-6979457

DAN.COM · Nov 20, 2018

davidc1 said:
not any answer about my 3 words: https://www.namepros.com/threads/undeveloped-com-experience.893201/page-57#post-6979457

Hi David,

Here are the answers to your questions:

1) I think that the template is bad for installments. A buyer see easily th BIN price and button but not the installment option. dropcatch template is much better.

Thank you for the feedback. This is a UI/UX preference. We test every feature we launch and perform product development with real buyers to create any piece of UI. That's the sole reason why we're so confident about our for sale pages. In our team there's no room for assumptions, only when team members produce proof via either an experiment or product development with customers we actually proceed and design or build a feature. This makes new features to take longer to hit the market but when they do they work. We also record users sessions and review those for improvements that we can only observe by seeing what users do.

To get back to the installment template, when making the installment option as significant as the BUY NOW option, users will opt more often for the installment option, even when they initially would prefer to buy the domain in one go.

So we chose explicitly to make it a tad more subtle, just like the make offer option to not cannibalize on your BINs with the installment option.

Buyers should preferably only go for the installment option in case they really can't afford to buy the name in full.

Since we launched this feature some sellers have seen their sales increase between 30% and 50% in some months. So the feature is clearly very effective.

That doesn't mean that the feature won't change. We keep looking for improvements so if one of the experiments show that there's a better model out there we'll implement it.

2) I have a market for leased domains at $10 to $50 per month, it's not possible to use undeveloped for that.

We're almost there. The rental and lease to buy option is in essence done. We're now only finishing up the admin/escrow tools to manage all these transactions before we launch the feature.

3) can t see the email of a buyer to counter offer properly.

In our setup, this won't change or made available. There's even a hefty legal issue with doing this now with GDPR.

Kind regards,

Reza

alcy · Nov 20, 2018

Undeveloped said:
Can you PM me more details? If you're redirecting from Bodis, the first load time is that of Bodis until the redirect is established then Undeveloped takes over.

How fast does this page (https://antiwet.com) load for you when you visit it?

will your team be looking into this then?

as I listed in couple of points... it cannot be a bodis issue. for the 2 reasons I listed.

obviously, it makes me and others with this issue very uncomfortable to know that it may be taking 5-10 seconds to load a page upon a first visit for a potential buyer. this sort of stuff is basically lead killers. or can be. as I said.. with new leads and buyers, we only get one shot at things.. so its gotta be perfect on first try

thanks for your help.

DAN.COM · Nov 20, 2018

alcy said:
will your team be looking into this then?

as I listed in couple of points... it cannot be a bodis issue. for the 2 reasons I listed.

obviously, it makes me and others with this issue very uncomfortable to know that it may be taking 5-10 seconds to load a page upon a first visit for a potential buyer. this sort of stuff is basically lead killers. or can be. as I said.. with new leads and buyers, we only get one shot at things.. so its gotta be perfect on first try

thanks for your help.

Hi Alcy,

We already did, our CTO told me it's not caused by us. The delay is caused at Bodis.

You mentioned the following two assumptions:

1... it works good on 2nd 3rd etc redirect...just 1st is bad

The above still doesn't prove or indicate that the problem lies with us.

2...it works good on 1st rwdirect for other places..

That's most likely because no other provider has SSL. They redirect from a HTTP to a HTTPS in our case and that redirect is slower than directly sending people to https://yourdomain.com

So you can ask Bodis to forward to us by using HTTPS as standard, that will decrease the delay for you.

Kind regards,

Reza

alcy · Nov 20, 2018

Undeveloped said:
Hi Alcy,

We already did, our CTO told me it's not caused by us. The delay is caused at Bodis.

You mentioned the following two assumptions:

1... it works good on 2nd 3rd etc redirect...just 1st is bad

The above still doesn't prove or indicate that the problem lies with us.

2...it works good on 1st rwdirect for other places..

That's most likely because no other provider has SSL. They redirect from a HTTP to a HTTPS in our case and that redirect is slower than directly sending people to https://yourdomain.com

So you can ask Bodis to forward to us by using HTTPS as standard, that will decrease the delay for you.

Kind regards,

Reza

ok thanks for update.

is it okay if you post a link to one of my names so you can check if this delay exists for you as well when redirecting from bodis? I'm just trying to eliminate possibolity that it is strictly my phone or such... as this does not seem to occur on my desktop...

DAN.COM · Nov 20, 2018

alcy said:
ok thanks for update.

is it okay if you post a link to one of my names so you can check if this delay exists for you as well when redirecting from bodis? I'm just trying to eliminate possibolity that it is strictly my phone or such... as this does not seem to occur on my desktop...

Of course, you can post a link here or send me a PM and I'll check and rapport back.

alcy · Nov 20, 2018

Undeveloped said:
Of course, you can post a link here or send me a PM and I'll check and rapport back.

ok thanks

if u or any other members here... can tell me via any test methods your team can use.. desktop.. phone etc.. then that'd be great..

www.2015.co

however, this only seems to happen upon first time I go to the page when I restart my phone.. so if you've been to other undeveloped sites before, then the results may not be applicable to my situation.

hope you can shed some light on this issue I am having

thanks a lot as always.

MasterOfMyDomains · Nov 20, 2018

It redirects to ww25 something then this, then to undeveloped. 4 second delay. Tried going back to this page, it kept hitting the redirect and going forward. Why not straight to undeveloped @alcy ?
On mobile atm

Just as slow second time round.
Whats google think of the bouncing around?

creataweb · Nov 20, 2018

See a blank, white page here thanks to my ad blocker

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Mister Funsky · Nov 20, 2018

Yes, because of add blocking I have my names sent to voodoo first with the clickable link at the top to take the visitor to a sales page whether with UD or someone else.

The add blockers will stop ads but it will let the domain name and link show in the event it is someone looking for a domain vs someone looking for retail services. There is no significant delay for me when doing this.

The solution is for us to point directly to UD...there will be no issues with delay in that event.

alcy · Nov 20, 2018

MasterOfMyDomains said:
It redirects to ww25 something then this, then to undeveloped. 4 second delay. Tried going back to this page, it kept hitting the redirect and going forward. Why not straight to undeveloped @alcy ?
On mobile atm

Just as slow second time round.
Whats google think of the bouncing around?

its just eaiser to manage through bodis if I want to redirect elsewhere at any time or park

many people do this

maybe most. so I'm hoping its possible for undeveloped to accomodate those people and fix delays. I don't really see them when I redirect elsewhwere.

thanks for trying

alcy · Nov 20, 2018

Mister Funsky said:
Yes, because of add blocking I have my names sent to voodoo first with the clickable link at the top to take the visitor to a sales page whether with UD or someone else.

The add blockers will stop ads but it will let the domain name and link show in the event it is someone looking for a domain vs someone looking for retail services. There is no significant delay for me when doing this.

The solution is for us to point directly to UD...there will be no issues with delay in that event.

I think voodoo or parking crew or others all block the whole page.. including the top link.

you can ask createweb to test link for u if u wanna.. he tested some of mine in past and everything got blocked.. no matter park company.. just a blank page thats all

Mister Funsky · Nov 20, 2018

alcy said:
I think voodoo or parking crew or others all block the whole page.. including the top link.

you can ask createweb to test link for u if u wanna.. he tested some of mine in past and everything got blocked.. no matter park company.. just a blank page thats all

Entirely possible there are other blockers out there that get them...I am using an avast product. I will put a name below and curious if you and/or createweb can see the top link at least.

I plan to make a major change in how I do things in 19...as of now, Epik is where I manage names and register most new names...their system is great. I use voodoo since their click and origin data is accurate and is easy to manipulate to look for trends. Here is a name I can see the link but no ads: vinylgazebos / in dot com

creataweb · Nov 20, 2018

Mister Funsky said:
Entirely possible there are other blockers out there that get them...I am using an avast product. I will put a name below and curious if you and/or createweb can see the top link at least.

I plan to make a major change in how I do things in 19...as of now, Epik is where I manage names and register most new names...their system is great. I use voodoo since their click and origin data is accurate and is easy to manipulate to look for trends. Here is a name I can see the link but no ads: vinylgazebos / in dot com

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Mister Funsky · Nov 20, 2018

Thanks creataweb for taking a look for me.

btw, sorry to have taken things off topic a bit. I will be adding more direct landings to UD since they have https and others do not...I know, as an internet user/surfer, I am not a fan of being redirected too many times.

carob · Nov 20, 2018

alcy said:
www.2015.co

Pingdom says it loads in 1.5s :https://tools.pingdom.com/#59ccad27b6c00000

UmerK · Nov 20, 2018

@Undeveloped Just a small request, can you guys add timestamp in messages when we open a message on dashboard, if I am missing something please let me know but for me messages older than 24 hours just show up as a date like Nov 19, 2018 instead it would be helpful if there was exact time so that following up with leads becomes easier.

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