discuss To those who say don't rely on Appraisal Bot tools...

cixxy · Oct 25, 2018

I keep seeing these people who don't trust the AI or code of appraisal tools... but you know, machines are getting smarter and smarter and even now I believe it's wrong to say ignore the estibot or godaddy appraisal values.

So please prove me wrong and come up with some names here that are around $2000 GoDaddy appraisal bot value and are not taken. Feel free to share them publicly as well and see how fast your names will be gone.

I personally have come up with some as well, but I'd rather not share as they have some potential

Now I know that sometimes it will be very off for made-up names (because obviously that has a human element to it) and names maybe some names that are very long, but the algorithms there is pretty good and I'd say it's around a 80-90%+ accuracy.

It seems to take into account:

Domain length
Domain Sales / popularity for the particular keywords
Search volume
Some append to the domain name seems to be accurate, like Host.com is more than $25,000 but if you make it Hhost it's ~$4000 and Hostt is $4198

It really makes it easy at a glance to see the value, so in Expired Domains I see a lot of people using the valuation as a basis on the bid. Usually the ones with higher valuation gets more popular & more bids.

So please prove me wrong or feel free to add anything to my analysis. Cheers.

Mister Funsky · Oct 26, 2018

Well, I was wrong! Very interesting thread!

J Sokol · Oct 26, 2018

Ategy.com said:
At the end of the day .. that's the very reason why I love domaining .. because it's such a magnificent blend of hard science/math/stats .. mixed in with art/subjectivity. But it's also why so many people fail .. because it certainly isn't for everyone .. most definitely it helps if you know your own personal strengths and weaknesses.

Well said, @Ategy.com, and I certainly agree.

Jay Ha · Oct 26, 2018

Recons.Com said:
Took me 20 seconds to find this:

cellmortgage.com

Estimated Value: $3,137

Interested in buying this Domain? It's available!
$8.29*

It is still available but @cixxy isn't..

Recons.Com · Oct 26, 2018

foodmortgage.com

Estimated Value: $2,046

Interested in buying this Domain? It's available!
$8.29*

Dragongs · Oct 26, 2018

I think appraisals are utter tosh. Some of these names are ridiculous and are not worth anything more than reg fee, imo

Mister Funsky · Oct 26, 2018

It took a little longer than my prediction, but cellmortgage.com is taken...

wormfood · Oct 26, 2018

worthlessdomain.com

Estimated Value: $1,181

shittydomain.com

Estimated Value: $1,331

mortgagepoker.com

Estimated Value: $1,657

lawyerpoker.com

Estimated Value: $1,701

healthpoker.com

Estimated Value: $2,040

discountpoker.com

Estimated Value: $2,268

businesspoker.com

Estimated Value: $2,656

newspoker.com premium

Estimated Value: $3,181
Interested in buying this Domain? It's available!
$250.00
+ $14.99/yr when you renew

energypoker.com

Estimated Value: $3,358

facepoker.com

Estimated Value: $3,519

starspoker.com

Estimated Value: $5,983

000 · Oct 26, 2018

What a disaster.

This is a perfect example of why GoDaddy pushes these purposefully inaccurate "appraisals". Sure makes them a lot of money. Unfortunately, OP is so hard-headed it's pointless to even attempt help.

Hope you're at least having fun as you waste your money. . .

FlipperC · Oct 26, 2018

cixxy said:
To me: the higher the average sale of a keyword == the more demand == more likelihood your domain will sell == more valuation from GD. So it's all related.

Kate said:
I am not interested in numerology, but in making sales. That's why I buy names in solid extensions, that is .com and mature ccTLDs, certainly not .vip

I enjoying both sides of the argument.

At end of day, results are difference.

How much have you sold in past 12 months, 2 years, 5 years?

Sales talks, b.s. walks.

Let's get uninterested third part like @Eric Lyon to look at data and verify numbers.

No sales? Walk. Shouldnt given advice.

Sales? Follow advice.

Opinions are nice. But not if noobs are buying domains thinking its advice.

.X. · Oct 26, 2018

FlipperC said:
I enjoying both sides of the argument.

At end of day, results are difference.

How much have you sold in past 12 months, 2 years, 5 years?

Sales talks, b.s. walks.

Let's get uninterested third part like @Eric Lyon to look at data and verify numbers.

No sales? Walk. Shouldnt given advice.

Sales? Follow advice.

Opinions are nice. But not if noobs are buying domains thinking its advice.

See, this is where threads start getting ugly, people are expressing their opinion, then profiling starts, and it’s on and poppin’

Shit like “No sales , Walk”

“sales talks, BS walks”

Not cool IMO

We are a community’s of people who like to discuss domaining, and domaining absolutely doesn’t just consist of selling a domain name.

One thing that has only gotten worse through the years, all the Rich and highly successful domainers, that don’t really exsist, but, with that said, I personally don’t have a problem with the people who say they are a domainer whale and make shit loads of money and all that other good shit that goes with being that domain name whale.

I have been here 18 years , trust me, I know better, I know wtf is up in this industry, but I don’t call out people for doing it, if that is the perception they want, let freedom be.

Recons.Com · Oct 26, 2018

.X. said:
See, this is where threads start getting ugly, people are expressing their opinion, then profiling starts, and it’s on and poppin’

sh*t like “No sales , Walk”

“sales talks, BS walks”

Not cool IMO

We are a community’s of people who like to discuss domaining, and domaining absolutely doesn’t just consist of selling a domain name.

One thing that has only gotten worse through the years, all the Rich and highly successful domainers, that don’t really exsist, but, with that said, I personally don’t have a problem with the people who say they are a domainer whale and make sh*t loads of money and all that other good sh*t that goes with being that domain name whale.

I have been here 18 years , trust me, I know better, I know wtf is up in this industry, but I don’t call out people for doing it, if that is the perception they want, let freedom be.

All he said was back your claims with the sales data.

If you claim investing blindly based solely on gd valuation works, show it.

I sold a name this week that gd valued at xxx for almost 6000, while I refused to pay $26 for 2 names valued at 3000+ by gd (tel premium and cell mortgage).

Another of my sales this week: valued around 1600, sold for 2500, bought 3 weeks ago for 12$.

So yes, I am backing my talk with the walk.

.X. · Oct 26, 2018

The OP started the thread about using the godaddy valuator, the thread wasn’t meant to be, “I am better than you, I make sales that double the valuator, show me your sales and all that shit.

It is about the godaddy valuation tool, which some use, some don’t, some take the appraisal literally, some take it as a partial guide, some take it with a grain of salt.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how they feel regarding the tool.

Then, the fucking thread turns into a ego contest, why? Please tell me

How much anyone makes from domaining, proof of the likes, mine is bigger than yours and all that shit, only creates thread getting off topic, and people going at each other, which just ends up worthless knowledge.IMO

Recons.Com · Oct 26, 2018

.X. said:
The OP started the thread about using the godaddy valuator, the thread wasn’t meant to be, “I am better than you, I make sales that double the valuator, show me your sales and all that sh*t.

It is about the godaddy valuation tool, which some use, some don’t, some take the appraisal literally, some take it as a partial guide, some take it with a grain of salt.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on how they feel regarding the tool.

Then, the f*cking thread turns into a ego contest, why? Please tell me

How much anyone makes from domaining, proof of the likes, mine is bigger than yours and all that sh*t, only creates thread getting off topic, and people going at each other, which just ends up worthless knowledge.IMO

If you don't like working with hard data, maybe consider arts then?

Rick Ace · Oct 27, 2018

Appraisal bots are generally not reflective of true market value. I've tried them all. And when it comes to individual domains, it doesn't distinguish between hand-regs and more reliable names. Perhaps more importantly, it doesn't take the "human factor" into account. Any good domain investor knows that a domain is only worth as much as the humans using or buying it. Bots can't simply take that into account.

The only these these appraisal bots are useful is for making comparisons between similar domains, if your goal is to compare them by domain length, search results, and interest.

Bob Hawkes · Oct 27, 2018

Recons.Com said:
Think of it this way. If you were to write your own algorithm for your software, how would you account for the fact that some words make more sense or unique commercial sense only in the combo with specific other words.

Meaning you have kw1, kw2, kw3... kw1000 and all of them are great high value.

But kw1 makes top combo with kw291, while kw3 has about 10 perfect matches and kw2 does not match any from those well (but maybe some other low value word).

Basically, kwX + kwY might be real valuable thing, service, concept, while kwX+kwZ might have even negative connotation making it commercially unattractive, while kwY+kwZ might be perfect again.

I must admit at first I ignored this thread because I am getting weary of yet another pro and con appraisals thread. However, when I read through it just now I find there are a number of insights such as this one from @Recons.Com (I also found the two by @Ategy.com very worthwhile, along with the examples many many people posted).

I think @Recons.Com has captured the essential weakness of algorithms as they stand now. I totally agree they are weak with two word domains, as the examples many have posted show. But it seems to me it should not really be that hard. To use the kw example, surely a Google search would be a starting place to see which kws match with which other kws. The negative connotation is harder, but if a search (like you do with the + signs in Google search) for a combination of two kw. If it showed they happen together a lot, that should be a positive. If they almost never occur together then it should be a serious negative.

With new extensions GoValue now does not even do the most obvious. It has finally begun to slightly differentiate different extensions but not nearly enough. For example these are the values I get today:
planetary.space $886
planetary.science $917
planetary.pizza $890
planetary.loan $890
Now by far the best one is planetary science (a common term of two words found close together) but GoValue does not differentiate nearly enough. If you Google search with quotes "planetary science" 3.9 million results, "planetary loan" 104.

Hey GoValue, don't you know how to use Google?

Thanks again for the contributions, everyone!

Bob

Eric Lyon · Oct 27, 2018

FlipperC said:
I enjoying both sides of the argument.

At end of day, results are difference.

How much have you sold in past 12 months, 2 years, 5 years?

Sales talks, b.s. walks.

Let's get uninterested third part like @Eric Lyon to look at data and verify numbers.

No sales? Walk. Shouldnt given advice.

Sales? Follow advice.

Opinions are nice. But not if noobs are buying domains thinking its advice.

I still believe their are multiple variables that need to be considered as when I helped put the following guide together: https://www.namepros.com/threads/domain-evaluation-and-appraisals-guide.860781/#section-02000000

Basing an evaluation of any asset on a single or even multiple variable formula is never going to be 100%. The more variables researched, the more value one may find (or not). If one leaves research potential/direction on the table, then they left potential value with it too. Possibly in a sub-niche market they never considered before dismissing the long hours of added research.

In short, an automated tool based on inputted/calculated algorithms don't tend to compensate for so many other variables that their script/program is unable to crunch the numbers and run comparisons on.

Then there's that age old saying that "One mans trash is another mans treasure" or "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" or "The true value of a domain is what the buyer has a budget to pay and if the domain investor/reseller was able to deliver value in their presentation/negotiation efforts (Proof/Research included)".

At the end of the day, there is no sure fire way to nail the true value of a domain name asset on the head.

We can utilize the available data in our research to shrink or expand scalability potential and give us a general idea of a domains true potential, which has value to someone, somewhere, but not everyone, and sometimes nobody.

Corey · Oct 27, 2018

For me, they are a starting point, giving valuable information besides a dollar figure.

Cheers
Corey

.X. · Oct 27, 2018

Recons.Com said:
If you don't like working with hard data, maybe consider arts then?

.X. · Oct 27, 2018

Eric Lyon pretty much said it all, in its proper perspective. IMO

ben pedri · Oct 27, 2018

cixxy said:
The truth is, it takes a lot of time and effort to come up with a .COM name that is around $2000 godaddy valuation that's not taken. I literally tried thousands combinations using Domain Name analyzer app to speed up the process by combining high value keywords. To find only one such name.

So by the time you find one that's not taken, truth is there will be some emotional attachment to the name. And if you think these names are worthless because the Bot estimations are obviously wrong to you, then feel free to share the names with us

You are daring people to come up with domains and post them ,,,and then your not even willing to post any yourself ,so its obvious,''AND I CANT BELIEVE ANYONE ELSE CANT SEE THIS'' your ''PROBABLY ''gonna reg those domains if they are good weather or not they meet the quotes.
Any half way decent domainer here can scan down the expireddomains.net list and pick the domains that will appraise for a lot of money. There are tricks to finding top domains at that site ,that in fact ''only about one in a hundred people know about and 1 in ten thousand will share. As far as appraisal values and dropped domains ,people must see that b4 a domain drops there are tons of auctions and backorder auctions that a valuable domain must slip by
to become unregistered. I will offer one piece of advice,track domains that you sold in the past to endusers ,I recently looked at a domain I sold 4 years ago that dropped again 2 years ago and no one picked it up,so I did and sold it back to you know who with a bin link to the auction.
Remember ,even educational domainer sites do not give away their best secrets unless they know they are already common knowledge. I will say this for people reading this far send me a private I'm and I will tell you how to find the best tools for domaining.

davidc1 · Oct 27, 2018

easy

gorteam.com 1886
eewindows.com 1874
agoodroom.com 1779
dynamicbi.com 1644
offplaninvestor.com 1611
fozaoxiang.com 1609
kiafans.com 1598
magnion.com 1589
jeepche.com 1564
siderasicav.com 1560
hondaottawa.com 1559
rizawang.com 1542
motofilter.com 1541
beopti.com 1536
mulambo.com 1532
dswcoupons.com 1525
gejiayuan.com 1507

likeslikes · Oct 27, 2018

So when the tool values something like: CellMortgage.com at over $3,000 and a 4L .com at just $337 I'd say they have some work to do. Granted, I think $337 is at least close to being right, but I'd take a 4L .com over CellMortgage.com any day.

NYJimbo · Oct 27, 2018

ben pedri said:
Any half way decent domainer here can scan down the expireddomains.net list and pick the domains that will appraise for a lot of money. There are tricks to finding top domains at that site ,that in fact ''only about one in a hundred people know about and 1 in ten thousand will share.

Amen, brother.

Bob Hawkes · Oct 28, 2018

I just reread this thread in its entirety and found it very worthwhile. I totally agree with @Eric Lyon point about needing to take multiple points into consideration, and for me GV/Esti are two, of about 8, of my steps. To the central point of the OP, while it is still possible to find silly evaluations on GV, that ones above $2k do seem much more likely to be meaningful. Probably above $3k even moreso. I am not saying the valuation tool is precise with value but as a useful screener for names worth investing further effort in evaluating. Thanks everyone!
Bob

Bob Hawkes · Oct 28, 2018

LeapNames said:
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So when the tool values something like: CellMortgage.com at over $3,000 and a 4L .com at just $337 I'd say they have some work to do. Granted, I think $337 is at least close to being right, but I'd take a 4L .com over CellMortgage.com any day.

I won't comment on CellMortgage, but wanted to chime in that I agree that the valuation is about right on the LLLL one. I had a look at 4 letter .com only for the past month only. This is NameBio data so a mix of retail and wholesale. 465 sales during last month, average $662 but let's look closer.

100 of sales are <= $140
200 are <= $ 200
300 are <= $407
400 of the 465 are <=$651

So about 85% sell for less than the average value.
Why is the average so high then? Well novo sold for $52,999, muhu for $15,200 and bons $14,000. None of the other 462 were outside 4 figures. So if I had to evaluate the name, I probably would say $200 to $600 and the automated estimate is near centre of that.

I think that GoValue is best for things like 4 to 6 letter and 3 to 6 number domain names where there is a large enough sales volume to show pattern and where there is a simpler set of other things to look at (like consonant vowel patterns and desire of letters and whether an actual word or nearly so being the most important).

Bob

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