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Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief
 
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This is a really wonderful thread.
Now, because of GDPR policy, whois info is very limited, how you can find owner information of a particular domain?
 
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I hate to say this but some of you guys show me why they implemented this GDRP policy - random people simply don't want to be spammed with lists of (usually on top of it) absolutely sub par names, hence why the GDRP ruling is in effect. Make sure to target correctly and also make sure the name basically sells itself in some way. Believe it or not, most people aren't out there waiting for our email "list" of names. Heck even I've been guilty of this before on here, I've sent names or lists of names. People don't care for that. Just target.
 
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This is a really wonderful thread.
Now, because of GDPR policy, whois info is very limited, how you can find owner information of a particular domain?

Why do you need someones whois details to sell a domain? I mean it certainly helps in some cases but it's also directly used for direct contact to send / spam whatever you want freely. There are ways around it, and you'll:

A. Find them if YOU want the sale bad enough

B. They will find YOU if they want the sale bad enough
 
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Why do you need someones whois details to sell a domain? I mean it certainly helps in some cases but it's also directly used for direct contact to send / spam whatever you want freely. There are ways around it, and you'll:

A. Find them if YOU want the sale bad enough

B. They will find YOU if they want the sale bad enough

Thank you.
I already gather contact information using other tools like hunter, but usually, the contact e-mail used while registering a domain tends to be more active and responsive and that person may be responsible for handling IT/domain names for the company. So, it would be great if we can directly contact that person.
 
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Actually I've found most of the time whois emails are either false, never respond, or respond with a time outs. And most of the time the whois contact is the network admin or someone lower who has no responsibility on it and doesn't want to be the middle man. Gotta target higher.
 
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Something I do not understand about finding end users:

Lets say I have a domain: goldenshirts.com, so we have two possible keywords: "golden," and "shirts."

When I go on google to create my email list, why would I search up "golden" and "shirts" ? Lets say I found a website: goldshirts.com and shirtsgolden.com, why would I contact them? Why would they be interested in another domain, "goldenshirts.com" ?

Or better yet, lets say I find a website: shirts.com and shirts-gold.com or shirts-insider.com. I just don't get why I should be contacting these end users because they already have their own website, why would they be interested in bidding for my domain?
 
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Lets say I have a domain: goldenshirts.com, so we have two possible keywords: "golden," and "shirts."

in this case your keyword is "shirts" only

When I go on google to create my email list, why would I search up "golden" and "shirts" ? Lets say I found a website: goldshirts.com and shirtsgolden.com, why would I contact them? Why would they be interested in another domain, "goldenshirts.com" ?

they may
email them to find out

Or better yet, lets say I find a website: shirts.com and shirts-gold.com or shirts-insider.com. I just don't get why I should be contacting these end users because they already have their own website, why would they be interested in bidding for my domain?

no they most likely will not be interested

email them to get rid of the guesswork
 
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Hi. Do you know that the end user buy domain for she own use. So to sell your domain quickly you need to list it on the brand domain marketplaces branddo.com or many others.

Regards
 
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Something I do not understand about finding end users:

Lets say I have a domain: goldenshirts.com, so we have two possible keywords: "golden," and "shirts."

When I go on google to create my email list, why would I search up "golden" and "shirts" ? Lets say I found a website: goldshirts.com and shirtsgolden.com, why would I contact them? Why would they be interested in another domain, "goldenshirts.com" ?

Or better yet, lets say I find a website: shirts.com and shirts-gold.com or shirts-insider.com. I just don't get why I should be contacting these end users because they already have their own website, why would they be interested in bidding for my domain?
Your right. They probably would have no interest at all in goldenshirts because they would not see any advantage to owning it. It should be the "Golden Rule" to not spam people poor quality domains that are of no benefit to their business. Outbound contacts should be very selective to people who would have a reasonable probability of seeing an advantage to owning your name.
 
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Something I do not understand about finding end users:

Lets say I have a domain: goldenshirts.com, so we have two possible keywords: "golden," and "shirts."

When I go on google to create my email list, why would I search up "golden" and "shirts" ? Lets say I found a website: goldshirts.com and shirtsgolden.com, why would I contact them? Why would they be interested in another domain, "goldenshirts.com" ?

Or better yet, lets say I find a website: shirts.com and shirts-gold.com or shirts-insider.com. I just don't get why I should be contacting these end users because they already have their own website, why would they be interested in bidding for my domain?

It's a good question. And an important one. There are many reasons as to why companies and business' will purchase domain names, even if they are already hosting their business on a current domain.

The key is that the domain name you offer them is better than their current, and it gives them an opportunity to grow as a company and to increase revenue etc. A premium domain is assesed by search volume, branding, presence, potential to make money back and a number of other factors that determine value etc.

These are the top reasons as to why companies will buy domains:

Branding:
A strong web presence and complementary branding is key for any business to strive in today’s world. Premium domain names give business' the platform needed to be located by consumers already searching for them. Owning a domain name that illustrates a company's industry goes a long way in helping potential customers to locate and identify with their business. It let's people memorise them instantly, and it let's them secure and own their brands entire niche through a single premium purchase.
For eg, with "ShirtGolden.com" the phrase is backwards, it doesn't make sense. People don't speak and say "I bought a shirt golden", they say "I bought a golden shirt", and that's why GoldenShirts.com is better and holds a better brand.

Domain Names Are Appreciating Assets

Ever since the first domain name was registered in 1985, they have become strong commodities that have consistently increased in value, reaching sale figures up to and exceeding tens of millions of U.S. dollars. These are not 'one off' situations, these are re-occurring sale figures, simply because companies understand and appreciate the value that domains offer to their business'. To date, the highest recorded domain sale is 'LasVegas.com', which sold for $90 million. It is undeniable that domains are offering companies a substantial return on their investment, and so often (even if a company doesn't want to primarily use a domain name for their business), companies will often buy domains for holding. They will build a portfolio and after a few years, after prices have gone up, they will sell those assets. It's the same with most valuable things - arts, jewellery etc. I used to be confused as to why people would spend $50k on a Rolex watch...but I realised it's not because they want to make a statement. It's because that Rolex watch will increase in value, and in 5 or 10 years time (if kept well) that same watch will be worth double or tripple it's value. It's the same with domain names.

Credibility
Having a domain name that reflects a company's brand grants customers an instant sense of trust and authority. They will be significantly more incentivised to do business with 'www.Business.com', compared to 'www.My-Business-123.biz". If your end user previously missed out on the opportunity to invest in a good domain name, perhaps you can offer them the chance to now.

Domains Provide Instant Marketing Advantages

Premium domain names market and advertise themselves. Once registered, these domain names are set in stone and are active around the clock. It's no surprise that they come with added marketing advantages. After acquiring a premium domain, companies can expect to see a spike in web traffic due to their domains being a prominent result on search engines. Generating a consistent flow of customers directly to their business' landing page. Advertising in newspapers and other publications, on TV, or via online adverts are great ways of marketing your business but they have one big flaw: once you stop paying for the advert, the traffic slows down and eventually comes to a halt. A premium domain is a one-time investment that will generate results forever.

Everybody is using the Internet

More people are using the internet now than ever before, offering businesses an unparalleled audience which simply wasn’t accessible formerly. The internet has connected the world and has given every individual a platform to become a leader of the future. Owning a premium domain name gives companies the global access that could take their business from nothing to everything. A poor domain name doesn't have the same global reach as a premium one does.

Domains Can ALWAYS Be Resold

Domains are liquid assets, they are bought and sold very quickly with straightforward legality and minimal paperwork. If circumstances change and a company sees the need to liquidate their domain name assets quickly, it would not be an issue for them. The domain market has a quick turnover and premium domains can get snapped up as soon as they hit the market. It's not a lot of risk for companies to invest into big domains.

A Domain's Professional Advantage

Owning the right domain name comes with perks. Companies will be able to create professional company email addresses registered to their domains, that consumers will be able to identify their companies with. They can forward multiple sub-domains to their primary domain to increase traffic flow. Advertising will become streamline, as they will be able to forward primary domains to pages or products on their site for consumers to notice. Premium domains speak for themselves and are easily remembered when paired with business cards and marketing material.


A Premium Domain Makes A Business A Leader In Their Field

Having the exact, precise domain name for a brand will set a business apart from the competition. It will give them a platform to dominate the online space of their niche, leaving their competitors to opt for subprime and second-rate domains. While their competitors are limiting their level of online presence and in the process missing out on bulk traffic - a company that acquired a premium domain will be leading from the top.

Companies Can Easily Link To Premium Domains

What happens so often in the web industry is a reputable company will write an article linking a particular premium domain name to the business that they are writing about - only for all that traffic to be directed to the wrong place. All because that secondary business doesn't actually own their premium domain name. Business' and companies will assume that a company owns the premium .com domain that captures their brand - and so when they link to that premium domain name and those companies don't actually own it, they miss out on all that potential traffic. That's why owning a premium .com domain name allows companies to link to those companies, without sending the traffic in the wrong direction.

Instant Traffic

Premium keywords are already consistently getting tens and hundreds of thousands of searches each month via web search engines. Now imagine that a company owns the domain name that matches with the premium keywords already being searched. They instantly position their business' for success - they allow all those tens and hundreds of thousands of people searching for a keyword to land directly upon their businesss, turning thousands of people into potential customers, drastically increasing revenue each month.

Search Engine Ranking

It's a proven fact that premium domain names rank highly in seach engines over poorer quality domains. If a company owns the premium exact match domain name that represents their brand, they are instantly allowing people to reach them when they search through search engines. Search engine sites like Google will acknowledge instantaneously the authority that a premium domain name provides, and they will position those domains at the very top of their search results. That leads to self flowing traffic and huge business growth. If Google recognises a brand as a premium brand, so will customers.

Protecting A Brand

Owning the premium domain name for a brand can protect a company from a number of factors. It prevents other companies from securing the domain name and dominating under the same keywords as them. It also protects companies from leaked traffic. There have been multiple instances where companies who own the long-taield keyword domain of their brand have spent millions in advertising, and a huge portion of their traffic was leaked up to the top companies who owned the premium domain name under the same keyword. By securing a premium domain name, companies prevent leaked traffic, and they also gain traffic from other companies underneath operating under the same keyword leaking their traffic to upwards.

The Potential For Return On Investment

Purchasing the right premium domain name is like purchashing a turnkey business ready made in a box. There are already hundreds of thousands of people searching the premium keyword terms that represent business' into Google, and there are plenty of advertisers out there ready to pay out companies for hosting business' in those particular niches, let alone the income from selling any services or products that companies may provide. Once a copmany owns their premium exact match domain name and they are positioned well on Search engines, it's all a numbers game from there. All those hundreds of thousands of people searching for them and landing on their pages, multiplied by the cost of any products they sell, and by the cost of what advertisers pay out (CPC) - it's easy to see how a ROI can be made within months.

Premium Domains Are In High Demand

The demand for premium domain names is rapidly increasing. Companies are competing each day to land their business' on the best digital assets available. Securing a premium domain name today will leave a company secured for the rest of time. They will be the predominant controller and influencer of their niche, and they will be known as the leading brand around their industry - leading it's direction and growth. They will not have to compete any more to be the best, as you will have already secured the best possible digital investment for their company.

Global Positioning

There is only one king premium domain in a niche. And yet there are thousands of companies who have business’ and brands built around that niche. If a copmany owns the premium keyword domain name of their niche, they instantly set themselves aside from the thousands that compete with them. They dominate and own that entire niche. There is no further explaining necessary when explaining who they are or what their brand is - they simply state their domain name and people will instantly recognise them. Whereas you competitors will be left having to give justifications as to who they are and why they’re not the premium keyword that they’re branded around.

Relevance and Irrelevance

If a company owns the long tailed domain name of their brand, it’s very easy (and likely!) that another brand will swoop in and secure the premium version of the domain name, effectively making the other brand and company irrelevant – because the company who buys the premium name will be known as the niche dominator for that keyword.

I hope that helps, and thank you for asking that question. It's an important one that I think more domainers should know so they can justify their reasons when selling and marketing a domain to end users, and something that more end users should be aware of so they can see the advantages or purchasing premium names.
 
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I am literally here for this. I'd like to think there is another way out for outbounders? I have a domain I'm thinking of hand regging, but this new GDPR policy is holding me back
I totally agree : I don't find the GDPR a positive thing, UNLESS the possibility is given to the owner of a domainname to wave the default privacy setting that now is shown in the whois of European domainholders for .com, .net, .co, etc... (and even some inhabitants of other countries), apart from his country an his province in that country.
I contacted already members of European Parliament of my country of several parties : They all understand that the GDPR is there to protect the European citizens privacy.
Nut cvoncerning domainnames this happens apparently by making their domains (by registrars or registries) in the whois private AS DEFAULT SETTING. HOWEVER it is not done that for the moment the Europeans can't WAVE the privacy, and to make a opt in or opt out button from GDPR, "for the whois" I mean.
The argument of spam, is not so relevant IMO, because usually that spam is filterred away by certain emailadressprovideres.
I'm planning later this year to call up every European member of this forum to contact its members of European Parliament, to explain the problem.
Because the problem goes further then only "domaining". Because everything is private, a website or domainsowner seems "SUSPICIOUS".
There has to come an amendment to that GDPR certainly regarding the whois : The responsibility to make the now hidden whois, "not private" should be possible to the owner.

A BIG ACTION WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN TO THE MP'S TO MAKE the waving of the privacy possible and the decisioin to do so should be something a European citizen should have to take AND SHOULD BE MADE POSSIBLE.

GODADDY has already taken measures so that somebody can send via a special site an email via godaddy to the owner of a domainname registerred at godaddy.
At a later date I'll put this special site here. Do PM me if you want a personal PM about it. I've a lot of work right now, and I should search again where I wrote that site down.
But of course : this isn't publicised much : So simply thinking that endusers will find you via that site is not certain if that site isn't ver well known.
 
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HERE MY ANSWER TO THE POSSIBILITY ALREADY PARTIALLY BY GODADDY FOR THE GDPR-PROBLEM

When you go to =>
who.godaddy.com or whois.godaddy.com
It's possible at the bottom of the page to contact domainholder @
godaddy. And godaddy will forward that to the owner (probably this goes automatically)

I just discover it succeeds. in any case with the whois-search at godaddy =>
If I search a domain of mine I see this (whois-search dynadot =>)
Domain Name: DISCOUNTDOWNLOAD.COM
Registry Domain ID: (some numbers here)_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 2018-06-20T22:13:53Z
Creation Date: 2000-05-03T16:42:22Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2019-05-03T16:42:22Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: 480-624-2505
Domain Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok
Name Server: NS47.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS48.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>> Last update of whois database: 2018-08-25T09:48:05Z <<<

NOW IF YOU enter in your browser "whois.godaddy.com" and you search for the domain, you will see the same,
but at the BOTTOM of the PAGE (so scroll down) you see in blue a.o.=>
Contact Domain Holder
You click on "contact Domain Holder". A window opens where you can send a message
to the owner of the domain.
You enter you message and send or submit.
The owner of the domain will see the following in his email =>

Someone Asked About Your Domain.
Saturday, August 25, 2018 11:53 AM

From: "GoDaddy" <[email protected]>

Someone's interested in your domain.

We received a request from someone who'd like to contact you regarding discountdownload.com, which you registered through GoDaddy. We are required to forward these types of requests to you. While you are not under any obligation to respond, feel free to do so.

Here is their message to you:

"I want to know how much you ask for some domains."

Copyright © 1999-2018 GoDaddy Operating Company, LLC. 14455 N. Hayden Rd, Ste. 219, Scottsdale, AZ 85260, USA. All rights reserved.

To respond directly to the requester, simply reply to this email.
===> And if the person whose domain this is replies, you know for sure that it comes from the owner.

(DO TRY this once with one of your own domains, and do a whois-search, and then click "Contact domain holder"
and fill in on top right, one of your other emailaddresses you have, to ask the question to yourself (in fact through Godaddy to your GDD-emailaddress)., and you see how this looks like.

At the emailaddress you filled in as requester for information, you'll get if you reply*** (although the Godaddy-title shows a "no-reply-emailaddress"!!! in the mail you got), the following :

Re:Someone Asked About Your Domain.
And in it the message you replied with. (With some strange symbols in my case, not a very good mail IMO.)

ANYHOW : The moment you click on reply*** you see in the title the actual exact emailaddress of the one who sent the mail through godaddy (so your request-emailaddress) -even if you don't send the reply-message- (so the request of the one who asked information through the godaddywhoissearch-Contact-holder-system).
SO if you want you can make a new email stating that you got from Godaddy the message, and then for instance you do a proposal for how much you want for the domainname for instance.
 
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Would like to see a sample af that mail. Care to share?
yes, please share the template. It would be helpful for my outbounding process
 
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any free tools to find end users
 
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I basically only sell to the so called "end users" or at least I sell at the so called "end user prices" ;)

Basically what hat I do is:

1) Look for simillar domains and extensions & Conduct searches in SEs for related websites.

2) With this I compile a Email list of potential interest buyers (based on website or WHOIS contacts).

3) Then I set the name on auction (no FSBO).

4) Right after setting up the domain auction I send out a mail to each identified potential buyer, and inform them about the auction.
(1 by 1 and personalized for each buyer)

Important in my experience is, that if you want to attend a decent sales price is to set up the auction BEFORE you mail the potential buyers. This has the effect, that it puts indirect pressue on buyers (bid now or you never have a chance again)
A FSBO mail to a potential buyer has not much effect, or you just receive a bunch of real low offers.

PS:
It is advisable, to evaluate trademark conflicts before you send mails ;)
 
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The answers here are very helpful....Thanks to all that contributed.
 
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Sounds very effective but quite time consuming. What is your average sale price usually? Do you tend to pick up an expired .com when they use .net, for example. Or look out for companies the names could be of use to?
 
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This page is a biiiig part of coming here: Finding bright people discussing things in a way that edifies.
Thank you for one amazing post. Going to take a week to read them all twice. :) Best of energy to you!
 
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Sometimes, every legendary thread, needs a bump

You kno u did right if, 2005 post 137 pages thru 2019

Father time, will preserve this thread. Thank you!
 
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Sometimes, every legendary thread, needs a bump

You kno u did right if, 2005 post 137 pages thru 2019

Father time, will preserve this thread. Thank you!

You did the right!
 
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Many of the questions I had about selling have been answered here thank you very much.
 
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