The USA Political Thread

RogueWriter said:

If I told you that 35 years ago your mom sexually harassed me - and I offered no proof, zero, to back it up, would you go around referring to your mom as a would be rapist?

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1 Sexual harassment and attempted rape are different things. Neither is good, but harassment can be anything from an inappropriate off-color joke on up.
2 I knew my mother. Do you personally know Mr Kavanaugh? Or Dr. Blasey-Ford? If not, what grounds (other than projecting your own political bias) do you have for saying she’s the liar?
Everybody thought Cosby’s first accuser was lying.
2a I very clearly said we need to investigate and hear them both out and see where that takes us. I’m not saying he’s unquestionably guilty, though for me what we’ve seen SO FAR make me lean in that direction. Friend of a friend knows her and vouches for her character and apparent lack of ulterior motive. She wouldn’t want to see him appointed to the Supreme Court if he was a liberal democrat. That’s not the issue.
3. If you said my Mom harrassed you, no, I wouldn’t have believed you. Now if it was my aunt...she was a pretty cheeky lady well into her 90’s. Thankfully, she was never up for consideration for the Supreme Court!

Excuse for butting in.

enlytend said:

1 Sexual harassment and attempted rape are different things. Neither is good, but harassment can be anything from an inappropriate off-color joke on up.

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Yes, but liberals are on TV saying Kavanaugh tried to rape ford. Think Progress, Move On..

2 I knew my mother. Do you personally know Mr Kavanaugh? Or Dr. Blasey-Ford? If not, what grounds (other than projecting your own political bias) do you have for saying she’s the liar?
Everybody thought Cosby’s first accuser was lying.

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You keep pretending we don't know anything about Kavanaugh despite decades sitting on the bench, statements by the women who worked with him or for him. There have literally been over a 100 people that KNOW Kavanaugh vouch for his character.

At the same time, we're supposed to believe CB Ford who we know almost nothing about. Her story has evolved / changed at least twice. No one who knows Ford is stepping up talking about what a great and fair person she is. Not her students, not her co-workers.

You want us to ignore what we know about Kavanaugh, and disbelieve him, Then ignore what we know about CB Ford, ignore the witnesses and believe her anyway.

You make ZERO sense.

2a I very clearly said we need to investigate and hear them both out and see where that takes up. I’m not saying he’s unquestionably guilty, though for me what we’ve seen SO FAR make me lean in that direction. Friend of a friend knows her and vouches for her character and apparent lack of ulterior motive.

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There is ZERO evidence Ford is telling the truth but your gossip group is reliable than the actual evidence we know of. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

3. If you said my Mom harrassed you, no, I wouldn’t have believed you. Now if it was my aunt...she was a pretty cheeky lady well into her 90’s. Thankfully, she was never up for consideration for the Supreme Court!

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I don't even know what to say.

Hmmm... looks like things are about to get interesting...

uh oh

Senate Democrats reportedly investigating second sexual misconduct allegation against Brett Kavanaugh

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...against-brett-kavanaugh/ar-AAAy3jq?li=BBnb7Kz

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mr-x said:

There have literally been over a 100 people that KNOW Kavanaugh vouch for his character.

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I've lost count how many times you've brought up this dumb talking point. A lot of people said OJ was a swell guy as well, except for his ex-wife he murdered.

Ramirez is not Avenatti’s client, so it sounds like there’s a third one.

enlytend said:

Ramirez is not Avenatti’s client, so it sounds like there’s a third one.

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So potential serial predator at hand.

Cosby, Weinstein, Nassar...There’s always more than one.

Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years
By Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer

7:49 P.M.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez

uh oh:


https://twitter.com/search?q="Ronan Farrow"&src=tren

"Ronan Farrow and Michael Avenatti just blew this thing wide open!"

Damn, this is really serious:

https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti...o/iframe/twitter.min.html#1044032678951960576

".......to allow a "train" of men to subsequently gang rape them."

The Smear Continues.

enlytend said:

Cosby, Weinstein, Nassar...There’s always more than one.

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Even when there isn't. Democrats are scum.

I don't think this will play out the way democrats think. Some people may go to jail for perjury, have their entire lives ruined for the sake of slander.

Democrats are the shit, bugs that eat scum leave behind.

JB Lions said:

Damn, this is really serious:

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Ugly stuff. And from the sound of that, in this case there are witnesses and evidence.

Can't keep track of all these Republican scandals, another one:

Scandal Shakes a Virginia House Republican, Adding to Electoral Tremors

"His campaign is facing accusations that it was part of an improper effort to help an independent candidate get on the ballot and siphon voters from his Democratic challenger. The allegations, which included using the names of dead people or voters who did not live in the district on signature petitions, were serious enough to warrant the appointment of a special prosecutor, and the independent candidate, Shaun Brown, was stricken from the ballot by the Virginia Supreme Court."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ng-to-electoral-tremors/ar-AAAxUNQ?li=BBnb7Kz

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Grassley releases letter detailing Kavanaugh sexual assault allegation
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...avanaugh-sexual-assault-allegation/ar-AAAyDO1

Here's the letter:
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-09-20 Feinstein to Grassley - July 30 Letter from Ford.pdf

Going to be yet another long week.

mr-x said:

Good question, I'll think about over the weekend.

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Hi bro, you never answered my question

When Trump say : I could shoot somebody and not lose voters.

What this means for you ?

In what position does it place you?

gipson said:

Hi bro, you never answered my question

When Trump say : I could shoot somebody and not lose voters.

What this means for you ?

In what position does it place you?

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I'm going to be brief.

Trump is from NY. The culture there is boastful, in-your face, trash talk. Passing a cop and giving him the finger for driving slow in the left-hand lane of the express way isn't unheard of.

I think Trump was making a boastful off the cuff remark. His ego was swelling from attention of the campaign for sure. He doesn't really believe he could shoot someone and get away with it.

A bigger problem for me was when he encouraged people to kick protesters out by force, promising to pay their legal fees.

Donald Trump is a horrible person. Politicians often are. He also has a good side. He understands the economy, his policies are sound and he's tackling problems other politicians couldn't.

China: CN has been stealing IP, forcing tech transfer, manipulating currency, counterfeiting, you name it. President Trump is the first US president to take them on. I don't agree with everything he does but you can say that about anyone.

The biggest problem I see is the irrational, constant hate pushed by the media and the left. It's worse for President Trump but the media treats every Republican the same way.

Gearld Ford was a great athlete but the media portrayed him as clumsy, dimwit.

President Ronald Regean was portrayed as an old, senile, hateful man. In reality, he was optimistic, loved America, loved immigrants, loved Freedom. He was called the "Great Communicator". If you haven't, listen to his "Shinning City on a Hill" speech.

George Bush: Quiet and thoughtful, a great athlete a Navy fighter pilot in WWII. The media portrayed him as a milk-toast wimp.

Bill Clinton: A womanizing whore monger with an ego similar to Trump. As a matter of fact the two were good friend. ( Trump was a democrat then ). Media portrayed him as a thoughtful, caring man.

See a pattern? The democrats build a narrative and the media, being mostly liberal scum, amplify it.

Michael Avenatti Should Lose His Law License Over Kavanaugh Claims
https://www.redstate.com/tladuke/2018/09/24/michael-avenatti-lose-law-license-kavanaugh-claims/

TL;DR The ends always justify the means with these people.

Democrats are scum. But dirty tricks and lies will motivate R's to vote.

Feinstein trying to keep the liar CB Ford form testifying.


Time for R's to issue subpoena's on the major players of this scam.

mr-x said:

Donald Trump is a horrible person. Politicians often are. He also has a good side. He understands the economy, his policies are sound and he's tackling problems other politicians couldn't.

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So we aren't so far apart as it sometimes seems. Except I don't believe he really understands the economy. He understands that removing regulations helps businesses directly, he doesn't get the bigger picture and he isn't good at listening to those who do - even the ones he appointed.. He was always about show and self-promotion, not actually an astute businessperson. Unless you count money laundering...Argue about money laundering speculation on some of his properties if you want (i.e. suspicious condo purchases), but the Taj was a total laundromat and everybody knew it - even back then.

mr-x said:

Passing a cop and giving him the finger for driving slow in the left-hand lane of the express way isn't unheard of.

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Maybe not unheard of, but you will get your azz handed to you for that. NY cops aren't stupid and they don't take sh*t.

enlytend said:

So we aren't so far apart as it sometimes seems. Except I don't believe he really understands the economy. He understands that removing regulations helps businesses directly, he doesn't get the bigger picture and he isn't good at listening to those who do - even the ones he appointed.. He was always about show and self-promotion, not actually an astute businessperson. Unless you count money laundering...Argue about money laundering speculation on some of his properties if you want (i.e. suspicious condo purchases), but the Taj was a total laundromat and everybody knew it - even back then.

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He doesn't understand the economy but you do because you have a etrade account. Fortunately, the President has good people who understand the economy better than you.

Maybe not unheard of, but you will get your azz handed to you for that. NY cops aren't stupid and they don't take sh*t.

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Actually know it's happened without consequence.

Audio of Ford's lawyer talking about strategy to defeat Kavanaugh confirmation. Shocker.. same person responsible for sexual harassment allegations against Clarence Thomas.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1042893053478940672

https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/ricki-seidman-strategy-defeat-kavanaugh/

I hope the republicans start hitting back to punish the vendors / accusers of the wholesale slander that is taking place right now. Accusation should be met with all seriousness and investigated fully. Including subpoenas for email, text, chats, social media accounts.

Brett Kavanaugh is a good man with a lot of friends / people he's helped over his long career. No-one who knows him believes these lies but they won't forget.

LOL - I don't have an "etrade account."
I have a financial advisor who is a Sr. VP at a well-known financial services group who handles most of my portfolio. I manage a few external accounts directly myself. All are doing just fine, thank you for asking. I'll be in good shape to retire in a couple of years as long as bozo doesn't crash the economy.

And I can tell when someone knows their sh*t vs making it up as they go and 45 is making most of this up as he goes. And not particularly well either, but the bluster covers for it. He is kind of an idiot savant as far as self-promotion goes - very good instincts for framing a message and marketing himself and his agenda.

Kavanaugh - we're now up to 4 accusers. One of whom has security clearances, witnesses and potentially evidence. How many will it take for you to believe it? It's looking more and more like this guy is slime. Why are they so desperate that it must be this particular person that gets the seat?

Interesting that last week right after they found out about #2 (Grassley & Co was notified before the general public) they made a big push to speed things up and confirm him. It's good that all this is brought out - if someone has really damaging secrets in their past they can be used for blackmail. Would probably be nice to have someone on SCOTUS who's guaranteed to be in your pocket.
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But please - go right on swimming down -de-nial...

45 is going to fire Rosenstein as a distraction... maybe...
Riddle me this: If the NYT is "fake news", why is he planning to fire Rosenstein based on a story from an anonymous source in the NYT?