The USA Political Thread

lennco · Jul 20, 2012

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
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2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

Ford and WaPo knew Keyser, the other girl named as a witness, wouldn't corroborate Ford's story.

And the spin starts NOW!!

Take a moment and consider this. Ford’s team is saying that what happened to her was so consequential, so momentous, that she can’t remember the year, the month, whose house she was at, how she got to the party, or how she got home. And because she can’t remember those events, that is completely consistent with her telling the truth.

On the other hand, when Leland Keyser can’t remember the events it is an indication that nothing important happened to her so she wouldn’t be expected to remember. So apparently, not remembering an event can be proof that either something or nothing happened there. Except when it involves men, and their memories are lies.
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/20...-women-cant-remember-hardly-anything-believe/

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

Please tell me why we should believe all women despite obvious evidence to the contrary?

enlytend · Sep 23, 2018

Oh look! Another victim blamer who’s making up assumptions! How nice of you to join us!

I repeat: one of the reasons women don’t readily come forward is BECAUSE they don’t want to face idiotic victim-blaming crap like this. If you don’t have a vagina and weren’t an eyewitness, shut your piehole - you don’t have a clue and apparently you never will.

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

Not surprised you'd that the side of a liar b/c you like her politics.

enlytend said:
Oh look! Another victim blamer who’s making up assumptions! How nice of you to join us!

I repeat: one of the reasons women don’t readily come forward is BECAUSE they don’t want to face idiotic victim-blaming crap like this. If you don’t have a vagina and weren’t an eyewitness, shut your piehole - you don’t have a clue and apparently you never will.

Still no comment on Keith Ellison though. Phony.

P.S. Vaginas don't give you special rights.

Kate · Sep 23, 2018

enlytend said:
If you don’t have a vagina and weren’t an eyewitness, shut your piehole - you don’t have a clue and apparently you never will.

I am starting to wonder if they even have GFs or wives, and if they would stand up for them in such a situation ? It seems that the word of a woman is not worth that of a man to some people. Are we in Saudi Arabia or USA ?

Spoiler: if you want a woman, you must be willing to listen to her. Treat her like a human being and equal, not like some decorative piece of furniture.

Again, I firmly stand behind the presumption of innocence principle. But why do people enjoy blaming the (alleged) victims so much while hiding behind their computer screens ? Struck a nerve ? Undeclared stakes ?

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

This is why democrats, especially feminist can't be taken seriously.

Kate said:
I am starting to wonder if they even have GFs or wives, and if they would stand up for them in such a situation ? It seems that the word of a woman is not worth that of a man to some people. Are we in Saudi Arabia or USA ?

Spoiler: if you want a woman, you must be willing to listen to her. Treat her like a human being and equal, not like some decorative piece of furniture.

Again, I firmly stand behind the presumption of innocence principle. But why do people enjoy blaming the (alleged) victims so much while hiding behind their computer screens ? Struck a nerve ? Undeclared stakes ?

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

There's two people who are salty about Ford being outed as a liar.

enlytend · Sep 23, 2018

Kate said:
I am starting to wonder if they even have GFs or wives, and if they would stand up for them in such a situation ?

Would probably dump them if they did - surely she must have “asked for it.”

Maybe if it was their mother or their daughter...

In any case the right thing to do is look into this and hear everyone out. This guy’s not applying for job in fast food, he’s being considered for a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land, FFS. It’s a position for someone whose scruples are above reproach. A credible taint of illegal behavior in his past should be a dealbreaker.

The administration doesn’t need to die on this hill - they have other candidates. One of them may be more suitable.

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

Women: I demand equal treatment!!

Man: OK.

Women: Why don't you believe me?

Man: You're a liar

Women: I demand you believe me because I'm a woman! Also, be nicer to me.

Man: No. That other women says you're a liar too.

Women: Pig!!

Man: Calm down and get me a beer.

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

Woman Arrested for Husband Murder Wrote Book About How to Do Husband Murder
https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2018/09/12/nancy-crampton-brophy-murder/

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

Ford's testimony set for 10 Am Thursday. That gives scumbag democrats FIVE days to scream, kick their feet and lie about how weak women are and how cruel republican men are.

*** Latest press release, Ford's attorney claims they are still negotiating conditions of Ford's testimony.

"its unfair to demand that she [ Ford ] be able to provide evidence for something that happens decades ago. SO WHY IS IT FAIR FOR KAVANAUGH TO HAVE TO DEFEND THE OPPOSITE" ~ Sooper Mexican.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2018

mr-x said:
Ford's testimony set for 10 Am Thursday.

Oh, so she is testifying. Nice you can poke fun at yourself with that cartoon above. I lost track of how many times you said she wasn't. When is Feinstein apologizing again? Did you ever catch that video that was floating around so you can post it?

A lot of your posts today is calling her a liar, before you even hear her on Thursday.

Kate · Sep 23, 2018

mr-x said:
Ford's testimony set for 10 Am Thursday. That gives scumbag democrats FIVE days to scream, kick their feet and lie about how weak women are and how cruel republican men are.

Why politicize the case ? This is another way of trivializing the distress of (alleged) victims. Can't we leave politics aside ?

RogueWriter · Sep 23, 2018

enlytend said:
We’ve been over why victims don’t come forward in this thread and on every social media site. Read and educate yourself a little.

TL;DR - part of it is because of people giving victims precisely the kind of crap you, Gil and Mr x are handing out.

Death threats. People are threatening her and her kids over this. Because she dared to publically come out and say “wait a minute - this guy you’re questioning, who could potentially be deciding the laws of our country once TRIED TO RAPE ME.”

She started “speaking up” years before the SCOTUS” nominations.

If her account is true, Kavanaugh committed an offense for which he would have been tried as an adult and put on sex offender lists if convicted. Not exactly a poster child for deciding the highest level legal issues in the nation.

As for her being an “anti trump liberal” - that describes about half the country and in this case it’s totally irrelevant. If they vote Kavanaugh down, he remains a federal judge, they pick the next conservative candidate on the list and repeat. The only thing this accomplishes is potentially keeping a would be rapist off the highest court in the land.

You’ll get your conservative judge, but maybe this one is wrong for the job.

You are so wrong it is hard to know where to start. First, like a typically left wing liberal youtake the elitist approach and assume I am unread. Maybe if you guys stopped making ignorant assumptions like that you would stop losing elections.

Second, you think the republicans would ever get a conservative into the Supreme Court if the dems take the house back you are incorrect. This whole issue is not about sexual harassment, it is about denying the will of the people because the dem liberal minority are elitists who think democracy should take a back seat to their agenda. I have the deepest respect for women who have been victimized but she ain’t one of them.

Good God does it even bother you that you are referring to him as a would be rapist? If I told you that 35 years ago your mom sexually harassed me - and I offered no proof, zero, to back it up, would you go around referring to your mom as a would be rapist?

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2018

RogueWriter said:
I have the deepest respect for women who have been victimized but she ain’t one of them.

Good God does it even bother you that you are referring to him as a would be rapist? If I told you that 35 years ago your mom sexually harassed me - and I offered no proof, zero, to back it up, would you go around referring to your mom as a would be rapist?

Ugh, are you all brain dead? Maybe, wait until you actually hear from both of them first? That would be the logical thing to do. Something that seems to escape Trump supporters.

She gains nothing out of this.

wormfood · Sep 23, 2018

I honestly was leaning more towards the fourth view that I posted, that she had reasons to not talk about it before, and now she thinks it's important to do so. I suppose the first one was supposed to be how some republicans seem to be viewing that perspective.

And the second one was the one which I thought a few people here were subscribing to, which they confirmed. I tried to make it sound a bit absurd, like "this professor comes out of nowhere and has therapist's notes about an attempted rape..but she's just making it up," but it's not absurd to some people so..my bad.

Sorry for the pointless post

My mother is Mormon, and you can find old quotes of Mormon leaders saying or writing disturbing things akin to "your virtue / chastity is more valuable than your life" and using strange euphemisms for rape, like "nonconsensual immorality." They recently excommunicated a guy for protesting too much about what he believes were important problems regarding sexual things in the organization. She's probably had stupid shit drilled into her head throughout her life. So we talked about this other day, and she was doubting the accuser a bit and saying some victim-blaming stuff

I was trying to play the other side of the argument to make her see how she could be wrong.

I don't know what's true in this situation even though I have my opinion, so I maybe I will shut my piehole now and wait and see what happens.

GILSAN · Sep 23, 2018

Christine Ford: “I was assaulted by that man. I HAVE WITNESSES!

Every witness: Nope, never happened. I wasn’t there. In any case, that man is nothing like that and never was like that.

Christine Ford: You can’t believe what the witnesses say! Nothing happened to them! It happened to me, not them. I HAVE WITNESSES!

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

JB Lions said:
My post was correct dummy.

JB Lions said:
Ugh, are you all brain dead?

Another day ending in Y

JB Lions said:
Another day, another dumb post.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2018

mr-x said:
Another day ending in Y

Another day, another dumb post. You're getting real good at it, lots of practice in. Are you going to post that video you said was floating around? I can't tell if that's just another lie or you being gullible again and you read that off some site without checking. Which is it?

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

RogueWriter said:
You are so wrong it is hard to know where to start. First, like a typically left wing liberal youtake the elitist approach and assume I am unread. Maybe if you guys stopped making ignorant assumptions like that you would stop losing elections.

Second, you think the republicans would ever get a conservative into the Supreme Court if the dems take the house back you are incorrect. This whole issue is not about sexual harassment, it is about denying the will of the people because the dem liberal minority are elitists who think democracy should take a back seat to their agenda. I have the deepest respect for women who have been victimized but she ain’t one of them.

Good God does it even bother you that you are referring to him as a would be rapist? If I told you that 35 years ago your mom sexually harassed me - and I offered no proof, zero, to back it up, would you go around referring to your mom as a would be rapist?

You know the libs are having a bad day when every post is an ad hominem.

GILSAN · Sep 23, 2018

wormfood said:
I honestly was leaning more towards the fourth view that I posted, that she had reasons to not talk about it before, and now she thinks it's important to do so. I suppose the first one was supposed to be how some republicans seem to be viewing that perspective.

And the second one was the one which I thought a few people here were subscribing to, which they confirmed. I tried to make it sound a bit absurd, like "this professor comes out of nowhere and has therapist's notes about an attempted rape..but she's just making it up," but it's not absurd to some people so..my bad.

Sorry for the pointless post

My mother is Mormon, and you can find old quotes of Mormon leaders saying or writing disturbing things akin to "your virtue / chastity is more valuable than your life" and using strange euphemisms for rape, like "nonconsensual immorality." They recently excommunicated a guy for protesting too much about what he believes were important problems regarding sexual things in the organization. She's probably had stupid sh*t drilled into her head throughout her life. So we talked about this other day, and she was doubting the accuser a bit and saying some victim-blaming stuff I was trying to play the other side of the argument to make her see how she could be wrong.

I don't know what's true in this situation even though I have my opinion, so I maybe I will shut my piehole now and wait and see what happens.

Maybe she was a loose and fancy free 15 year old that loved to party and drink and then got horny, seduced some young boy or boys she can't remember who they were and then 36 years later, for political reasons, with the help of very willing Democrats + the Liberal Media she comes out with this BS story at the most convenient of times!!!

Lots of horny 15 year olds out there, with Hollywood constantly teaching them a lot of new tricks!

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

Seems to me, even conservative media has been tip-toeing around calling Ford a liar. Absolutely no proof it happened. Every witness for the accuser says it didn't happen.

No compulsions from the left slandering a mans reputation or ruining he career on the flimsiest of charges.

JB Lions · Sep 23, 2018

mr-x said:
Seems to me, even conservative media has been tip-toeing around calling Ford a liar.

So you're admitting even Conservative media, which is a bit of a joke, are even more rational than the people posting in this thread? Do you think they might be waiting until she actually testifies? That would be the sensible thing to do. Can you explain how it's not, and how you calling somebody a liar before, makes more sense? Maybe you should wait and hear her side, then decide? You've already looked plenty of stupid this week, while pile on?

GILSAN · Sep 23, 2018

mr-x said:
Ford's testimony set for 10 Am Thursday. That gives scumbag democrats FIVE days to scream, kick their feet and lie about how weak women are and how cruel republican men are.

I'm willing to bet that she won't testify on Thursday. The Dems and her communist lawyers will invent another delay tactic to avoid it... again.

Sen. Grassley is in need of a spine transplant...

mr-x · Sep 23, 2018

If you had quoted my whole post, instead of one sentence out of context, you'd have your answer.

JB Lions said:
So you're admitting even Conservative media, which is a bit of a joke, are even more rational than the people posting in this thread? Do you think they might be waiting until she actually testifies? That would be the sensible thing to do. Can you explain how it's not, and how you calling somebody a liar before, makes more sense? Maybe you should wait and hear her side, then decide? You've already looked plenty of stupid this week, while pile on?

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