strategy Hand Reg Stratagies

Bulloney said:

My point here is, IncredibleCure is "comparable" to IncredibleCare,

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No, it's not. You can actually run into trouble using the word cure. Might want take some time and read the FTC site some.

I'm ok with HandReg concept as long as it is profitable on long range strategies.

Yes, you'll have to practice and make some mistakes. With HandReg names you'll have to build some value around it. Don't make the mistake to buy because it is fad stuff..!

If you want to start with something valuable when you match keywords, do it by matching 2 real keywords, and not by matching a play on words like you did with : CannabizExpress. Because you already create a "brand" only with the play on word «cannabis» to «cannabiz». It becomes weak if you stretch it to much by adding too much things around it.

Keep it as short as possible and make sure the name «was», «is» and «will» be in a true position for business potential in a long range market.

Cheers..!

martbele said:

I'm ok with HandReg concept as long as it is profitable on long range strategies.

Yes, you'll have to practice and make some mistakes. With HandReg names you'll have to build some value around it. Don't make the mistake to buy because it is fad stuff..!

If you want to start with something valuable when you match keywords, do it by matching 2 real keywords, and not by matching a play on words like you did with : CannabizExpress. Because you already create a "brand" only with the play on word «cannabis» to «cannabiz». It becomes weak if you stretch it to much by adding too much things around it.

Keep it as short as possible and make sure the name «was», «is» and «will» be in a true position for business potential in a long range market.

Cheers..!

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Thanks Brandunix....I find the more I do this, the better I get at it. I understand everything you're saying, and the hand reg concept, because I've named so many businesses in my lifetime, is something that comes pretty naturally to me. Thanks again.

Bulloney said:

Frank...you said about IncredibleMilk..."I like that name a lot" and then went on to say, "so the idea is good but not unique" Thanks for that. I own other "Incredible" names as well. For example I own IncredibleCure, and If you were to check Namebio you would see where IncredibleCare sold for $2,200 in November of 2017. This was after some poor soul sold it for $110 just days before it was sold for $2,200. My point here is, IncredibleCure is "comparable" to IncredibleCare, and that like IncredibleMilk has potential too.

Here's the Namebio link that shows the transaction I was referring to.

Thanks for your input Frank

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Be careful using one-off sales like that to justify your own purchases. Data should be comprised of a much larger sample size, since individual sales can have any number of unreported factors that help to explain why that sale was made at that price.

Joe Nichols said:

Be careful using one-off sales like that to justify your own purchases. Data should be comprised of a much larger sample size, since individual sales can have any number of unreported factors that help to explain why that sale was made at that price.

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4 syllable words suck (gen-e-rall-y)

Bulloney said:

Frank...you said about IncredibleMilk..."I like that name a lot" and then went on to say, "so the idea is good but not unique" Thanks for that. I own other "Incredible" names as well. For example I own IncredibleCure, and If you were to check Namebio you would see where IncredibleCare sold for $2,200 in November of 2017. This was after some poor soul sold it for $110 just days before it was sold for $2,200. My point here is, IncredibleCure is "comparable" to IncredibleCare, and that like IncredibleMilk has potential too.

Here's the Namebio link that shows the transaction I was referring to.

Thanks for your input Frank

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The domain AmazingApartments.com sold for $400 at GoDaddy for a decrease of 85%.
It last sold for $2,588 on September 16th, 2013 at Afternic.

frank-germany said:

but on the other hand
I just sold a domain
I registered 1999

so patience is key

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Are you at liberty to tell more? I think it is fascinating and would love to know more like if you had inquiries/offers along the way, how you kept confidence in name, etc. Having patience and how to know when to hold and when to let go is I think something us who are relatively new struggle with and it is an important aspect of an overall domain strategy. Thanks.

MetBob said:

Are you at liberty to tell more? I think it is fascinating and would love to know more like if you had inquiries/offers along the way, how you kept confidence in name, etc. Having patience and how to know when to hold and when to let go is I think something us who are relatively new struggle with and it is an important aspect of an overall domain strategy. Thanks.

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Just be aware that renewal costs can add up too. Patience is important, but I like to remind me of another motto- time is money. Remember, that that the value of time is priceless. Therefore, you'll want a good return and you want to have reasonably high potential with any purchase. It's good to take risks and to be patient, but doing research is the key.

Bulloney said:

Anyone else have a strategy?

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If only I had one!

My bank account would be more impressive if I stuck to some sort of strategy, but I rely on searches (I check several engines), trends and most of all my gut feeling. I've been in marketing and advertising for more years than I care to remember so that past experience comes into play instinctively.

What I have learned is a must for me: An end user must be in mind before I bid on or hand reg a domain name. The big kick is that you have to have the capital on hand to sit on names for a while. The renewal fees are always looming and it is awful (for me at least) to let a name drop or to sell it at wholesale.

Time is a killer for me as well. It takes a great deal of effort to do proper and successful outbound and I've got some gem names that I just can't get to

So I rely heavily on marketplace listings with pricing in place. It is awesome to come in and see an email letting me know a name has been sold...then I check my account to see that the money is there.

I too have pads full of names, going back years. It is a hoot to look at what I thought was good ten years ago vs what is actually good based on sales.

Mister Funsky said:

I too have pads full of names, going back years. It is a hoot to look at what I thought was good ten years ago vs what is actually good based on sales.

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Yes, one piece of my advice post was to keep a domain diary of the ideas and pros/cons of each. It is fun to look back at what you thought was good a year ago. I recently did this, I think about 40% of the ones I did not spring for I still like, but some I now say what was I thinking!

I also totally agree with time prioritization as a key problem for lots of us. It is so much more fun in some ways to comment on NamePros, browse lists, play with NameBio searches than it is to actively try to sell. i think that is where many of us (OK me at least ) fail!

MetBob said:

Are you at liberty to tell more? I think it is fascinating and would love to know more like if you had inquiries/offers along the way, how you kept confidence in name, etc. Having patience and how to know when to hold and when to let go is I think something us who are relatively new struggle with and it is an important aspect of an overall domain strategy. Thanks.

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it was one of my first domains that I ever registered
not need to worry about
rhodesianridgeback -- de

it was my dogs homepage
but they are dead now for 10 years
so I accepted an offer

renewals add up fast LOL
( about 100 euro since 1999 )

MetBob said:

Yes, one piece of my advice post was to keep a domain diary of the ideas and pros/cons of each. It is fun to look back at what you thought was good a year ago. I recently did this, I think about 40% of the ones I did not spring for I still like, but some I now say what was I thinking!

I also totally agree with time prioritization as a key problem for lots of us. It is so much more fun in some ways to comment on NamePros, browse lists, play with NameBio searches than it is to actively try to sell. i think that is where many of us (OK me at least ) fail!

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Thanks Bob...i know i'll have to settle down someday, but registering two names a day won't break the bank for most people. I'm trying to cut back but it's been hard. Today I thought I'd registered 420Recipes(.)com, however I'd inadvertently registered 450Recipes(.)com....duh, I've forgiven myself since I've done something like this less than 1/2 of 1% of the time in my short stint here.

Because I'm still a work in progress, one of the smarter things I've done is to drop the majority of the names starting a year ago. I've done this because looking back you do wonder sometimes, "What was I thinking?".
I do have a question with regards to registering "like domains" For instance, and I don't own either one of these; 420Coast and 420Coastal. Actaully coastal which is two letters longer than coast appraises for $70 more dollars at GD. There are times also where both the singular and the plural are similar. Would you register both in that case. The same thing goes for a domain that has an nTLD extension, and it has an equivalent .com extension.

Finally, and this is a question for everyone. Whether it's on the tv, the radio, it's seen on a fantasy license plate, or you hear it in a song, do you have names running through your brain, and just can't wait to see if they're available? I travel (local and long distance) quite a bit, and I bet I see as many as 10 fantasy license plates just running around town everyday.. Just yesterday I saw the 7 letter license SNWDAYZ which I think stands for "Snow Days". What I liked was the DAYZ idea, and I have a legal pad half full with different DAYZ domains. What I may end up with is something like 420Dayz, but like I said, I'm still a work in progress. Thanks again.

I think it is natural for keen domainers to find domain ideas everywhere, @Bulloney. Elliot Silver posted the other day on Twitter that whenever he reads stories to his young children he gets domain ideas from words in the stories.

I found your comments interesting, @Capo Status, and totally agree about the creation aspect being what, for me, makes this interesting. You have summarized it perfectly.

I agree that I would not place much emphasis on whether GV made one higher, especially by that minor amount. Re plural/singular I usually do 4 tests. Which makes more sense to me? Then I look at Google and search for the two forms of the word, and see which has more results but also which has more relevant in top few pages. I ask someone not in domaining for their view. Sometimes there is a NameBio history in one much more than the other.

MetBob said:

I think it is natural for keen domainers to find domain ideas everywhere, @Bulloney. Elliot Silver posted the other day on Twitter that whenever he reads stories to his young children he gets domain ideas from words in the stories.

I found your comments interesting, @Capo Status, and totally agree about the creation aspect being what, for me, makes this interesting. You have summarized it perfectly.

I agree that I would not place much emphasis on whether GV made one higher, especially by that minor amount. Re plural/singular I usually do 4 tests. Which makes more sense to me? Then I look at Google and search for the two forms of the word, and see which has more results but also which has more relevant in top few pages. I ask someone not in domaining for their view. Sometimes there is a NameBio history in one much more than the other.

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Bob...i consider a lot of what I do as "OJT", or on the job training. What other sort of business can you get into for so little that has so much upside potential, and is sooooo....much fun. And speaking of fun, I reg'd the domain CannabisCasserole early today because of a personal relationship I had with the Queen of Casserole. Since registering the name earlier this AM, I ran into a buddy of mine who runs a local culinary school a few hours ago, and told him about Cannabis Casserole. He's Italian, from Philadelphia and even has fantasy license plates that read, "RAVIOLI". I know ravioli isn't a casserole, but he realized the potential for my new domain right away. We're to get together to discuss the domain and it's potential in about 10 days.

It's part of my strategy to share with friends, family, peers and even total strangers what I'm doing. You never know when, where and how you might make a new supporter/ally, or maybe even a new backer/investor.

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Bob...i consider a lot of what I do as "OJT", or on the job training. What other sort of business can you get into for so little that has so much upside potential, and is sooooo....much fun. And speaking of fun, I reg'd the domain CannabisCasserole early today because of a personal relationship I had with the Queen of Casserole. Since registering the name earlier this AM, I ran into a buddy of mine who runs a local culinary school a few hours ago, and told him about Cannabis Casserole. He's Italian, from Philadelphia and even has fantasy license plates that read, "RAVIOLI". I know ravioli isn't a casserole, but he realized the potential for my new domain right away. We're to get together to discuss the domain and it's potential in about 10 days.

It's part of my strategy to share with friends, family, peers and even total strangers what I'm doing. You never know when, where and how you might make a new supporter/ally, or maybe even a new backer/investor.

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sooner or later you are going to make news

frank-germany said:

sooner or later you are going to make news

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I'm working at it Frank, and it won't be the first time

Kate said:

I have a strategy, that is not to handreg.
Unless I intend to use the domain name for some project.
Okay, from time to time, there are good names to be found, but that's the fallacy: there is no shortage of decent domains.
I prefer to allocate my budget toward domain auctions.

Here are some tests:

• has the domain name been registered in the past (if not - it's a bad sign)
• if it has, check the history on hosterstats.com, you might see a checkered history of multiple drops, which is another bad sign usually, it could mean several people speculated on the name but did not make a sale
  
• if the name has dropped, how long as it been sitting unregistered ? The logic is that a domain name that has remained untouched for two years will be hard to sell, since nobody though it was at least worth regfee.
• of course, it's often about timing so even if you get a nice domain you'll have to be patient - domaining is a trade for the patient investors

TL;DR version: invest your money very carefully. Quality > quantity.

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Agreed!

Joe Nichols said:

I know you have a lot of great real details that you could share as well, which the community could benefit from. Like the $10,000 investment you received for four of your hand registered names! How did you pitch the idea to your investors? What kinds of results are they expecting? What is it that sold them on your names and your ideas?

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@Bulloney - I was really hoping to hear some details about what I mentioned above! Would be perfect for a hand reg. strategies thread, to hear why you registered those names, how you went about selling them, and what the investors are looking for.

I pick a niche and study it, bulk search 100's of domains, everything good you can think of. Get a feel for the level of domains domains already reg'd. You might find a few to hand reg after your research...finally check expireddomains.net monthly, use the filters for upcoming drops. Use your keyword (niche) as one of the filters. I also use English only, 2 words only, 10-14 character or less.

MetBob said:

I think it is natural for keen domainers to find domain ideas everywhere... Elliot Silver posted the other day on Twitter that whenever he reads stories to his young children he gets domain ideas from words in the stories...

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Now, that's a textbook example of a... DomainAddict.com

Bulloney said:

Bob...i consider a lot of what I do as "OJT", or on the job training. What other sort of business can you get into for so little that has so much upside potential, and is sooooo....much fun. And speaking of fun, I reg'd the domain CannabisCasserole early today because of a personal relationship I had with the Queen of Casserole. Since registering the name earlier this AM, I ran into a buddy of mine who runs a local culinary school a few hours ago, and told him about Cannabis Casserole. He's Italian, from Philadelphia and even has fantasy license plates that read, "RAVIOLI". I know ravioli isn't a casserole, but he realized the potential for my new domain right away. We're to get together to discuss the domain and it's potential in about 10 days.

It's part of my strategy to share with friends, family, peers and even total strangers what I'm doing. You never know when, where and how you might make a new supporter/ally, or maybe even a new backer/investor.

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I would personally try to find stronger keywords than Casserole.

https://namebio.com/?s==QjN1YDO3gTM

Good luck in your journey .

It is a very tedious long process, The thrill of a good catch can make it worth while, It takes me about 2 1/2 hours just to run my spin script with keywords, then parse through all the available names, then go and check for TM issues, then evaluate the chosen names, then check for similar registered names, then check to see if the plural is registered. then finally head to the register. that is my routine of hand registering.

I have always liked hand reggies, and i do them every week, but it takes me a good min of 4 hours time from start to finish. time is money, a lot of the time, i could purchase names of similar quality and come out way ahead. I had a script written for me to just spin and find domain names, there are sites out there that offer name spinning by keyword. the best one i have used is Impossibility.org , You need to sharpen your keywords, Get, Got, Go and so on IMO , Let the beginning keyword find the niche keyword.

Happy Domaining to ya

.X. said:

It is a very tedious long process, The thrill of a good catch can make it worth while, It takes me about 2 1/2 hours just to run my spin script with keywords, then parse through all the available names, then go and check for TM issues, then evaluate the chosen names, then check for similar registered names, then check to see if the plural is registered. then finally head to the register. that is my routine of hand registering.

I have always liked hand reggies, and i do them every week, but it takes me a good min of 4 hours time from start to finish. time is money, a lot of the time, i could purchase names of similar quality and come out way ahead. I had a script written for me to just spin and find domain names, there are sites out there that offer name spinning by keyword. the best one i have used is Impossibility.org , You need to sharpen your keywords, Get, Got, Go and so on IMO , Let the beginning keyword find the niche keyword.

Happy Domaining to ya

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Thanks Addict...i really like the site impossibility.org. I recently looked at starting a couple of new mini portfolios, one with the "niche" word Crush, and the other Dayz. Beginning with Dayz, where the "z' letter/word has a value of $2,185. I'd highlighted the name CoolDayz, and interesting, that name appeared on the first page of the site. Some other names didn't appear like SolorDayz and SurfDayz. but there were a few more I liked, DietDayz, FatDayz and ThinDayz. I haven't reg'd any of them yet, but it's a great tool if you're into hand reg's like this thread was started for. Oh, as for Crush, the other "niche" word I'm looking to start a portfolio for, VodkaCrush, RumCrush and BoozeCrush are all available to register. There are actually some pretty cool names available for anyone wanting to start an "ice" business for the beach and warm/hot weather resorts.

Thanks again Addict for the cool contribution.

Bulloney said:

Thanks Addict...i really like the site impossibility.org. I recently looked at starting a couple of new mini portfolios, one with the "niche" word Crush, and the other Dayz. Beginning with Dayz, where the "z' letter/word has a value of $2,185. I'd highlighted the name CoolDayz, and interesting, that name appeared on the first page of the site. Some other names didn't appear like SolorDayz and SurfDayz. but there were a few more I liked, DietDayz, FatDayz and ThinDayz. I haven't reg'd any of them yet, but it's a great tool if you're into hand reg's like this thread was started for. Oh, as for Crush, the other "niche" word I'm looking to start a portfolio for, VodkaCrush, RumCrush and BoozeCrush are all available to register. There are actually some pretty cool names available for anyone wanting to start an "ice" business for the beach and warm/hot weather resorts.

Thanks again Addict for the cool contribution.

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Your very welcome, glad to help, You can spend hours spinning names, It is pretty awesome to do actually.