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This is historical. The first mainstream video game on an AR ("MR" or Spatial Whatever) headset...


Interesting that Rovio refer to it on their own website Rovio.com as a "mixed reality (MR) game".

Magic Leap are still big on the Mixed Reality (MR) keyword. Like I previously hinted, magic leap have been working on some good little deals in the background, with movie studios to sports entertainment. If magic leap eventually become a success, then there is a good chance the Mixed Reality keyword could become an option for some brands.
 
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Interesting that Rovio refer to it on their own website Rovio.com as a "mixed reality (MR) game".

Magic Leap are still big on the Mixed Reality (MR) keyword. Like I previously hinted, magic leap have been working on some good little deals in the background, with movie studios to sports entertainment. If magic leap eventually become a success, then there is a good chance the Mixed Reality keyword could become an option for some brands.

Well sure...Of course Rovio would refer to it as MR. You think ML would tolerate this historical release being labeled AR by its maker when their CEO hates being associated with the term?

Do you think Rovio will refer to it as MR when it releases on Apple, Google and FB's headsets? I think it's safe to say they were told to call it MR.. Just a hunch 😆
 
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Well sure...Of course Rovio would refer to it as MR. You think ML would tolerate this historical release being labeled AR by its maker when their CEO hates being associated with the term?

Do you think Rovio will refer to it as MR when it releases on Apple, Google and FB's headsets? I think it's safe to say they were told to call it MR.. Just a hunch 😆

You missed my point.

Few in this thread was saying Microsoft have all but killed off the Mixed Reality term and any hopes there may have been for it.

You yourself are saying this game is a big deal.

This big deal is being labelled/branded Mixed Reality (MR) by both Magic Leap and Rovio (Their choice or not).

My point being, 2018 was always going to be too early to judge whether the Mixed Reality term would make it or not. But some judged it doomed in 2018.

Two of the biggest anticipated AR headsets as you put it, Hololens & Magic Leap both prefer the Mixed Reality term. So there is still a lot of play in the future of these descriptive keywords.
 
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You missed my point.

Few in this thread was saying Microsoft have all but killed off the Mixed Reality term and any hopes there may have been for it.

You yourself are saying this game is a big deal.

This big deal is being labelled/branded Mixed Reality (MR) by both Magic Leap and Rovio (Their choice or not).

My point being, 2018 was always going to be too early to judge whether the Mixed Reality term would make it or not. But some judged it doomed in 2018.

Two of the biggest anticipated AR headsets as you put it, Hololens & Magic Leap both prefer the Mixed Reality term. So there is still a lot of play in the future of these descriptive keywords.

My point is that it's still doomed in 2018. No crystal balls so I have MR names in case I'm wrong, but my point is that because Rovio was likely told to use MR in this joint project, that doesn't give the term any more relevance.

Who is the genius that 2018 was the year that MR is no longer used or "doomed", knowing ML would release their headset this year? O_o

We knew YEARS ago that ML and MS use the term, so why did you expect 2018 to be any different and why do you think it's so significant that they are still using the term?

This game is historical, but I wasn't suggesting anything about how this would affect public perception of the term MR.

Consider this:

1. Consumers are not on Magic Leap...their headset is essentially a Dev kit with no games. This means everything when it comes to marketing term relevance. It's not being marketed to consumers.

2. ML is a new company who will be going up against the marketing terms of Apple, Google or FB, who all (so far) prefer the term AR.

3. ML is also confusing the Dev community and followers by saying their tech is Spatial Computing. This takes even more establishment away from MR as a term in the same way that MS has confused its Dev community and followers by changing the definition of the term and adding "windows" to it as an attempt to own it.

4. Using the same term as MS is not a good thing, because besides surface and Xbox everything they make is shit. If Hololens tanks its taking MR as marketing term down with them because they're the first to make it hard to consumers. MS has a long history of disappointing hardware releases. I'm not hopeful and this affects how I feel about the term MR and the fools who dare to use it as well.

(If APPLE were to decide to use MR as a marketing term it wouldn't matter since they're the leader in tech and trend setter. They can do things like that without being affected by what others do.)

.5 the Dev community still doesn't like MR as a whole. Yes there are a few but you won't see many summits named MR or companies using the term, even though AR hasn't even got its foot on the ground in consumer marketing, more people still prefer to use.

That's a bad sign for MR because when AR is finally used in consumer marketing MR will become even more irrelevant.

So yes... Its still doomed in 2018 my eyes but no crystal balls man...
 
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My point is that it's still doomed in 2018. No crystal balls so I have MR names in case I'm wrong, but my point is that because Rovio was likely told to use MR in this joint project, that doesn't give the term any more relevance.

Who is the genius that 2018 was the year that MR is no longer used or "doomed", knowing ML would release their headset this year? O_o

We knew YEARS ago that ML and MS use the term, so why did you expect 2018 to be any different and why do you think it's so significant that they are still using the term?

This game is historical, but I wasn't suggesting anything about how this would affect public perception of the term MR.

Consider this:

1. Consumers are not on Magic Leap...their headset is essentially a Dev kit with no games. This means everything when it comes to marketing term relevance. It's not being marketed to consumers.

2. ML is a new company who will be going up against the marketing terms of Apple, Google or FB, who all (so far) prefer the term AR.

3. ML is also confusing the Dev community and followers by saying their tech is Spatial Computing. This takes even more establishment away from MR as a term in the same way that MS has confused its Dev community and followers by changing the definition of the term and adding "windows" to it as an attempt to own it.

4. Using the same term as MS is not a good thing, because besides surface and Xbox everything they make is sh*t. If Hololens tanks its taking MR as marketing term down with them because they're the first to make it hard to consumers. MS has a long history of disappointing hardware releases. I'm not hopeful and this affects how I feel about the term MR and the fools who dare to use it as well.

(If APPLE were to decide to use MR as a marketing term it wouldn't matter since they're the leader in tech and trend setter. They can do things like that without being affected by what others do.)

.5 the Dev community still doesn't like MR as a whole. Yes there are a few but you won't see many summits named MR or companies using the term, even though AR hasn't even got its foot on the ground in consumer marketing, more people still prefer to use.

That's a bad sign for MR because when AR is finally used in consumer marketing MR will become even more irrelevant.

So yes... Its still doomed in 2018 my eyes but no crystal balls man...

I appreciate no crystal balls. But there is a reason why most sites/industry people quote XR as meaning VR/AR/MR.

All terms will co-exist imo.

I only need to look back to the early part of last year when some were saying AR as a term was pretty much dead.

If you ask me honestly if I had to pay big money today for an AR or MR domain, where would my money go. AR all day long.

But I still believe Mixed Realities time is not 2018, AR will still the limelight for now. But 2020 onwards, think many could be surprised how much the mixed reality term comes into play.

Not been a member on namepros for too long. But one trend I have noticed is that people kill off a term prematurely and then go quiet when it gains momentum. If you look back through the beginning of the AR thread and the beginning of early XR talk in this thread it's quite funny really.

Yes mixed reality is not a consumer term. But neither are the headsets consumer versions yet.

And we all know that Microsoft didn't just call VR headsets mixed reality because of what would happen in 2017-2018.

For mixed reality term to be dead in 2018 would mean that no companies would brand around the term/acronym in the future. I am slightly more optimistic than that.

I try to collect a diversified portfolio where I can because I believe companies options are also diversified.

I do respect everyone's opinions, but mine is that 2018 is not the year to kill off certain terms that are still being pushed by pretty big companies.

Good luck to all(y)
 
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I appreciate no crystal balls. But there is a reason why most sites/industry people quote XR as meaning VR/AR/MR.

All terms will co-exist imo.

I only need to look back to the early part of last year when some were saying AR as a term was pretty much dead.

If you ask me honestly if I had to pay big money today for an AR or MR domain, where would my money go. AR all day long.

But I still believe Mixed Realities time is not 2018, AR will still the limelight for now. But 2020 onwards, think many could be surprised how much the mixed reality term comes into play.

Not been a member on namepros for too long. But one trend I have noticed is that people kill off a term prematurely and then go quiet when it gains momentum. If you look back through the beginning of the AR thread and the beginning of early XR talk in this thread it's quite funny really.

Yes mixed reality is not a consumer term. But neither are the headsets consumer versions yet.

And we all know that Microsoft didn't just call VR headsets mixed reality because of what would happen in 2017-2018.

For mixed reality term to be dead in 2018 would mean that no companies would brand around the term/acronym in the future. I am slightly more optimistic than that.

I try to collect a diversified portfolio where I can because I believe companies options are also diversified.

I do respect everyone's opinions, but mine is that 2018 is not the year to kill off certain terms that are still being pushed by pretty big companies.

Good luck to all(y)

I don't know man... From a domaining perspective I think it's future looks just as doomed as it did a year ago. This Rovio game changes nothing.

Just because 2 companies (who are not successful or not yet successful in immersive tech) are using the term won't give it sellability in the domain world if other companies with the most influence shun it.

I've been convinced over the years that Microsoft will disappoint us lol...they just don't get it. And I'm starting to get the same feeling about Magic Leap even though they are fairly new 😆

Of course there is this big question mark of if Apple, Google or FB will change their minds with the term, but honestly given that XR is also another option it looks pretty unlikely, especially given how much they are using AR to refer to their tech not just in current marketing but in patent applications (if they are referring to their future devices as AR today in summits and in IP, why would they change their mind and call them MR when released? Extremely unlikely). So indeed, MR is doomed from a domaining perspective...

Anything can happen, which is why I also have MR names like you, so I think we are on the same page. Maybe I'm just a little more certain about AR.
 
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I don't know man... From a domaining perspective I think it's future looks just as doomed as it did a year ago. This Rovio game changes nothing.

Just because 2 companies (who are not successful or not yet successful in immersive tech) are using the term won't give it sellability in the domain world if other companies with the most influence shun it.

I've been convinced over the years that Microsoft will disappoint us lol...they just don't get it. And I'm starting to get the same feeling about Magic Leap even though they are fairly new 😆

Of course there is this big question mark of if Apple, Google or FB will change their minds with the term, but honestly given that XR is also another option it looks pretty unlikely, especially given how much they are using AR to refer to their tech not just in current marketing but in patent applications (if they are referring to their future devices as AR today in summits and in IP, why would they change their mind and call them MR when released? Extremely unlikely). So indeed, MR is doomed from a domaining perspective...

Anything can happen, which is why I also have MR names like you, so I think we are on the same page. Maybe I'm just a little more certain about AR.

No I agree with what you say. VR/AR are at this current point a lot safer options than MR.

Maybe it's just because I am expecting Magic Leap to come up with something special. Maybe that's where my delusion comes from:ROFL:
 
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No I agree with what you say. VR/AR are at this current point a lot safer options than MR.

Maybe it's just because I am expecting Magic Leap to come up with something special. Maybe that's where my delusion comes from:ROFL:

"AR AR AR AR....AUGMENTED REALITY bla bla bla AR AR"

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/augmented-reality/

Same for other companies. They're not patenting their tech using the term AR because they're releasing products that will be marketed as MR lol.... So no crystal ball needed. The keyword battleground is already decided and it looks like it is very *likely* to be "AR" dominated by the most trend setting, developer community worshipped companies that understand the DNA of consumer lust.
 
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I know a few people have posted what Robert Scoble has said in the past on here.

I’ve never really took much notice what he’s said personally, but he’s no doubt a guy with a lot of influence in VR/AR, has a lot followers and a lot of contacts and today he's tweeted he’s no longer using the term ‘XR’ reason being Apples killed it.

https://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/1042679405036810241
 
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I know a few people have posted what Robert Scoble has said in the past on here.

I’ve never really took much notice what he’s said personally, but he’s no doubt a guy with a lot of influence in VR/AR, has a lot followers and a lot of contacts and today he's tweeted he’s no longer using the term ‘XR’ reason being Apples killed it.

https://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/1042679405036810241

Ill say what I'm always saying .
Go after the best and relevant keywords combined with AR VR XR Holo etc.
Good and relevant keywords will sell ,bad ones won't . But u heard me say that already ain't you?
Besides i was always into the spectrum.
It's a good time , something is cooking I can feel it .
 
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I know a few people have posted what Robert Scoble has said in the past on here.

I’ve never really took much notice what he’s said personally, but he’s no doubt a guy with a lot of influence in VR/AR, has a lot followers and a lot of contacts and today he's tweeted he’s no longer using the term ‘XR’ reason being Apples killed it.

https://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/1042679405036810241

I think it was only me who used to really post Robert Scobles posts:ROFL:

I used to respect the guy but he lost loads of respect not only within the community but also outside the community.

He was lucky he didn't lose his wife and kids. Every prediction he made about last year's iPhones were pretty much wrong.

Point being, I think his time as an influencer is really in the past. The only thing I am shocked he managed to influence was the fact that his wife stayed with him.
 
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I know a few people have posted what Robert Scoble has said in the past on here.

I’ve never really took much notice what he’s said personally, but he’s no doubt a guy with a lot of influence in VR/AR, has a lot followers and a lot of contacts and today he's tweeted he’s no longer using the term ‘XR’ reason being Apples killed it.

https://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/1042679405036810241
Nothing Scoble say's is going to change my day,. week or year.
His following comes from stating things folks 'want to hear'.
...BTW... where is that see-through iPhone ? And a dozen other things he stated. Short memory for some ?
I think many are still the same 'knee jerk reactionaries ' they were here a few years ago and should broaden their vision as they don't seem to be learning by experience.

I have warned how some of these terms were likely to be re-interpreted and mis-interpredted and stated that you need to sharpen your pencil to play them. Blanket plays on chance risk are going to have a downside.
How much downside is up to the investor.
Buying more than 6 names without accurately being able to determine who would have a need for them spells disaster in my book. And I am uncertain how you do that when the meaning of a term is in question.
The 'consumer language' is key here regardless of those with a financial interest attempts in putting those terms on the consumers tongue.
If Apples model number effects things that much, then you never had anything to begin with.
But I see no change from it.
I will say again, we will likely see someone inject a new term when they want to say their product is different from the rest, even if it is not different outside of how it looks or how they get the same end result.
But none of it is going to remove the value of VR & AR. But that does not mean they can't have value of their
own.
Example:
I could see that VR and AR are going to have platforms to interact (as XR or MR or something else ?) and one of my targeted plays was xrchatrooms and xrchats being probably the first large scale good example. Now, I don't need 20 names that are similar to play that. It's a future important social interaction play.
If it is good, that will do just fine 'if' I wait for the market that I see developing in my crystal ball actually happens, it should have a fine value.
But this VR/AR interaction is probably 5 or more years from having a solid base. But it will happen.
Microsoft's Mixed Reality was actually originally based on this principle as seen at the OS and some may remember me saying that this was not a new and separate tech, and perhaps now understand how I seen it all along. And with that competes with the XR term.
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The development software to make these cross platform interaction possible is being refined as we speak. And AR is at the 'DK-1' stage right now and I don't have any unreasonable expectations that anything is going to speed that up unless some miraculous breakthrough happens in the 'price of quality' AR products.
We are a long way from having a AR install base of over 100 million worldwide. That is where things start to get interesting.
Not counting 'cardboard and things like it', that is just about where VR will be after xmas 2018.
But XR does not play well for generics outside of the theory I have just demonstrated. But for branding it's great for a select market of content folks.. So if it plays well at all, it is limited and select.

But it does play no matter what Apple has done, and unless something happens to create some kind of negative stigma that make some abandon the term, will continue it's course as,
'not all the above', but 'many of the above'. and that is not how it was originally described.
Marketing folks that everyone needs to be concerned with will use what the consumer most identifies with. And that will determine the value. Sharpen those pencils.
 
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Nothing Scoble say's is going to change my day,. week or year.
His following comes from stating things folks 'want to hear'.

Yeah as said I’ve never really took much notice what he’s ever said, but as this is an investment forum and threads like this is for news on which way the market might be heading, i thought a guy with nearly 1 million followers posting a tweet like that and pinning it was news worthy enough, he certainly has more influence over any of us in VR/AR put it that way and many people will have saw that.

Agree with your point about consumer language is key, but i think you’re playing down the importance of Apples “model number” and the impact it does have. The iPhone XR isn’t even out yet but warning signs of Apples announcement can be seen (hence tweets from Scoble) next few months speakers at events whose job it is to sell people VR/AR, to make people aware of VR/AR (XR) will be talking to people who will be playing around on their iPhoneXR’s as they are speaking about XR, who will be recording on their iPhoneXR’s as they are speaking about XR = many :xf.confused: faces.

Apple’s competitors who have used the XR term in the past for VR/AR (like Microsoft) will they continue to use and promote a term now associated with their rivals no1 product (iPhone)? I can’t see it personally.

Ice berg has been hit in my opinion. As far as domain investing goes, do you go down with the ship or get off it while you still can? If people are still willing to buy your ticket off you for more than you bought it for (offers) i know what I’d do.

Best of luck guys who disagree with me and are going to stick with it.
 
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Yeah as said I’ve never really took much notice what he’s ever said, but as this is an investment forum and threads like this is for news on which way the market might be heading, i thought a guy with nearly 1 million followers posting a tweet like that and pinning it was news worthy enough, he certainly has more influence over any of us in VR/AR put it that way and many people will have saw that.

Agree with your point about consumer language is key, but i think you’re playing down the importance of Apples “model number” and the impact it does have. The iPhone XR isn’t even out yet but warning signs of Apples announcement can be seen (hence tweets from Scoble) next few months speakers at events whose job it is to sell people VR/AR, to make people aware of VR/AR (XR) will be talking about XR to people who will be playing around on their iPhoneXR’s as they are speaking about XR, who will be recording on their iPhoneXR’s as they are speaking about XR = many :xf.confused: faces.

Apple’s competitors who have used the XR term in the past for VR/AR (like Microsoft) will they continue to use and promote a term now associated with their rivals (Apple)? I can’t see it personally.

Ice berg has been hit in my opinion. As far as domain investing goes, do you go down with the ship or get off it while you still can? If people are still willing to buy your ticket off you for more than you bought it for (offers) i know what I’d do.

Best of luck guys who disagree with me and are going to stick with it.

Without saying 2 much i will say that i have sold names for xx,xxx with terms everyone here trashed so allow me to ignore and follow my research :)
 
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Without saying 2 much i will say that i have sold names for xx,xxx with terms everyone here trashed so allow me to ignore and follow my research :)

Nice one, that’s what it’s all about, seeing things others can’t.
 
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Nice one, that’s what it’s all about, seeing things others can’t.

As someone smarter then me once said , build your business in the middle of the intersection before they built the intersection ;)
 
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As someone smarter then me once said , build your business in the middle of the intersection before they built the intersection ;)

That’s the idea. But as far as domain investing goes it doesn’t work like that.

You can’t just invent an abbreviation and say what it represents.

As far as XR goes, development already started before you invested in there yourself.

Apple is a threat to this development, Apple doing what they have is potentially like a nuclear meltdown in the area = uninhabitable.
 
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:) lets talk soon.

I’m not sure why you are saying it like that.

I’m going to get no satisfaction in being right or wrong and if i am right I certainly won’t ‘gloat’ like you seemingly will judging by your last post. I’m not controversial in my views on XR, loads of people are echoing my same thoughts and concerns.

This is an investment forum and this is a thread to talk about the reality of things whether it’s good or bad to your own investments. If you can’t add anything constructive to the debate rather than a smily face and "lets talk soon", stay out of it.

I always get a sense when someone talks bad about XR you take it personally. My views on XR is not going to have any effect on the success or failure of XR, what will be, will be.
 
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I received another offer, 2 k (1650 euros) by the same name in French of the other day, counter-bid.

There's still a lot of difference between what they offer and what I'm asking for, so it's very likely that it will be nothing, but it does not bother me at all that I have to stay with it for a few more years.

We will see.
 
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XR is just one niche , i invest in many others but i do like XR chances .
All good , lets move on .
 
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@Elad n
What about this name?
intelligentXR.com

Can work just like GeniusXR worked , but 2 get better results always aim for super keywords that have relevant use cases for the tech/niche .
Good luck !
 
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