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Here is a comprehensive strategy for buying domains at Expiring/Deleting Domain Auctions, as of Sept 2015. This process describes how the process of capturing .COM/.NET domains work.

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PRE-RELEASE DOMAIN AUCTIONS

A Pre-Release Domain Auction is an Auction for a domain which has Expired but which can still be renewed or transferred out (restrictions apply.. see below) by the current Registrant.

This is the first stage of the domain dropping process. From 0-45 days after expiry. (The Auto-Renew Grace Period, in ICANN speak). All Pre-Release Auctions end whilst the Registrar still has control of the domain before Day 45 after expiry. On day 46 the domain is given back by the Registrar to the Registry and it will definitely be deleted. There are only very rare exceptions. Renewal (the renewal price plus the Registrar's penalty) by the original Registrant is the most common.

Usually these Auctions begin at most Registrars or Drop Catchers at around 35 days after expiry (varies with Auctioneer) and the domain has still not been renewed by the current Registrant.

The main venues for these auctions are either at a Registrar which has an Auction System, like GoDaddy, or at Snapnames/NameJet which have entered into agreements with some Registrars to be the sole Auctioneer for their Expiring Domain Names.

Usually the current Owner of these domains still has the right to renew the domain. But sometimes Registrars who have agreements with Snapnames/Namejet restrict these rights. GoDaddy is the most generous. Allowing transfer out (or renewal at Godaddy with a penalty) up to 42 days after expiry. You need to read each individual Registrars ToS to know the time they give you to renew the domain or then lose your ownership rights. ICANN says it should be at 45 days. But no significant Registrar follows ICANN rules, here.

GoDaddy is the biggest Pre-Release Auction Market on the planet by way of the fact they are by far the biggest Registrar. SnapNames/Namejet are 2nd and 3rd to GoDaddy, respectively. Everyone else are bit players in this Market. They have a small Market Share. How much? difficult to say, but probably less than 10% for all of them combined. No facts to substantiate this.

It is highly recommended that if you see a domain in a Pre-Release Auction Market you want, you should bid on it at that Auction and not anywhere else. ie: If it is at SnapNames then only bid on it at SnapNames because they control the domain. It is your first and best chance of obtaining the domain.

The biggest downsides are, 1) The existing registrant can still renew the domain, and will be motivated to do so if they see it has value. 2) It is a Public Auction, so you can be outbid by anyone joining the Auction.

The biggest upsides are, 1) You sidestep the Pending Delete Auction which is open to everyone (including Dropcatch/HugeDomains. More on them later) 2) You retain the original registration date (which I like personally. YMMV)


PENDING DELETE DOMAIN AUCTIONS

A Pending Delete Auction is an Auction for a domain which has entered the Pending Delete stage of it's current registration. Almost dead and dropped.

Domains enter Pending Delete stage 75 days after expiry (46-75 days is the Redemption Grace Period, in ICANN speak). There is no coming back from Pending Delete. The domain will delete 5 days after it enters Pending Delete and will be available for re-registration the next day (day 6 after entering Pending Delete or 81 days after expiry).

These Auctions begin when the Domain hits Pending Delete status. It is a free-for-all when a domain drops. The company with the best drop catching system usually wins most drop-caches. This is DropCatch with over 500 registrars knocking on the Registry's door.

The main venues for these Auctions are DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet. There are a miriad of other competitors, but they are only bit-players. Bit players ocassionally get lucky and capture Pending Delete domains. Usually (not always) the domains nobody else wants.

There are no official statistics, but DropCatch probably captures at least 50% of all drop-caught domains. It could be a lot more. they are the Goliath of Pending Delete Auctions. The reason for this is mainly because their sister company, HugeDomains, wants to snap up all dropping domains which have any value, and to place them on their own Domain Marketplace for sale. Partnering with Dropcatch has, to date, been a very successful strategy for them. But we cannot see if this is profitable or not for them.

The previous Goliaths were SnapNames/NameJet, who held the position now held by DropCatch.

It goes without saying. If you are serious at wanting a domain, you should be backordering it at all 3 of these companies. backorders are free. You only pay if you win the domain. If you are the only backorderer at the capturing company, you win the domain outright.

Now this is where it become interesting because of the different policies of DropCatch to SnapNames/NameJet relating to more than one backorderer.

For SnapNames/Namejet, if there is more than backorder placed at their venue and they capture the domain, then the domain goes into a three day Private Auction. Highest bid wins the domain.

For DropCatch, if there is more than one backorder placed on a domain at their venue, and they capture the domain, then the domain goes into a 3 day Public Auction. Where anybody can bid on the domain.

Because everyone is used to the old system at SnapNames/NameJet where a domain goes to a Private Auction, they reel at the though that anybody can bid on a drop-catch with multiple bidders, if it is caught by Dropcatch. they feel cheated. But it is only the marketplace at work. Of course a Private Auction is preferred because the domain has fewer bidders, not everyone. But with DropCatch capturing the lions share of all drop-caught domains, they have chosen to hold Public Auctions, where prices are naturally bid higher than at Private Auctions. Some say too high. But in general, it is only being bid up to a price where another Domainer can still sell the domain and make a profit, in their opinion. Of course opinions between domainers vary about the price.

There is a twist to this DropCatch dropcatching. As as sop to other domainers, they have stated that HugeDomains would not be permitted to participate in any Dropcatch Auction. This of course is fine, until they are being bid up by other domainers :( What is not so good, is they recently introduced a Discount Club, where HugeDomains have priority over any backorder. this is not good at all, as users of this service see most of their backorders being captured by HugeDomains. IMHO, you should never use their Discount Club and only participate in their full price backordering, which cuts out HugeDomains access to the domain. You still need to participate in the Public Auction if there was more than one backorder at DropCatch, if you want to capture the domain. The exception only would be if you are placed at the highest bidder and nobody else bid on the domain, which is quite rare.

Personally, I see DropCatch's method of doing business as a paradigm shift. It's not going away. Either embrace it or hate it. It will make flips harder because of the higher pricing, and will usher in longer hold times for domains. I actually like the fact I can poke my finger in the eye of HugeDomains (our biggest single competitor) by placing a full price backorder on DropCatch. Even if I don't bid on any auction, and I just take the captures where I was the only backorderer. It's peanuts in the big scale of things, but it gives me satisfaction :)

For domains which are not worth the $59 dropcatch fee. I usually backorder at Pheenix. They capture some but not all. With their recently added 100 drop-catch Registrars, they should become more competitive. But they have announced the same policy of as DropCatch of Public Auctions on domains with more than 1 backorder placed on their system, from Sept 19th 2015. This won't suit everybody. But I believe it is the wave of the future. Some day, all dropcatchers will operate like this. IMHO.

CONCLUSION

For Pre-Release domains I only bid at the Auction House which has the domain up for Auction. Nowhere else works. GoDaddy, or SnapNames, or NameJet, or if the domain is registered at a Registrar which runs it's own Auction House, eg Dynadot.

For Pending Delete domains which have value and desirability, I backorder at all three major players DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet. For domains which I think won't get picked up by any of these three, I use the cheaper drop-catcher, Pheenix. The hundred registrars they just added will make them very competitive in this section. I might even add them to my top three and see how many they catch :)

See more about DropCatch and Domainers/HugeDomains backorders below.
 
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im guessing theres no website or software that can show domains in the redemption/grace period before they go to the drop?
I think NameJet does that, go to namejet and then download section another one i found that is great for daily catch up is expire dot biz which helps you download all domains expired for a day and you can download previous records as well. However there is just way too much of them.
 
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If you place a backorder with GoDaddy for a GoDaddy-registered domain before or while it is going through the GoDaddy auctions process, the backorder will automatically count as an immediate $10 bid on the domain. This bid will be publicly visible to everyone, and this will likely attract other bidders far in advance of the auction end, that may not have noticed the name otherwise. There is no benefit to doing this

It's such an awful strategy that it's hard to believe anyone dumb enough to employ it would have even $10 to their name.

I know your comment was made 5 months ago but I happened to be re-browsing this thread and couldn't resist giving my 2 cents. I just do not understand why so many early, initial bids occur on these names.
 
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I just do not understand why so many early, initial bids occur on these names.
My best guess would be that if some enduser elected to use godaddys backorder offer ($29.99 it seems?) as an alternative to acquire unavailable domain, which might happen also many years ago - then their backorder will be automatically converted into $10 pre-release auction bid as soon as the domain reaches pre-release auctions stage.
 
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It's such an awful strategy that it's hard to believe anyone dumb enough to employ it would have even $10 to their name.

I know your comment was made 5 months ago but I happened to be re-browsing this thread and couldn't resist giving my 2 cents. I just do not understand why so many early, initial bids occur on these names.

For me. Any backorder is a waste of time at GoDaddy. Even Dynadot and Pheenix backorders will beat a GoDaddy Backorder. Secondly. What kind of idiot places a backorder on a domain before it is even gone thru the pre-release auction. End-Users and Noobs maybe?

It was my understanding that a backorder before the pre-release auction starts is placed as a starting bid. But a backorder placed while the pre-release auction is underway is kept out of the auction and the backorder captures the domain in between the $12 & $11 drop in price before it goes to Closeout. I guess such a strategy would not call any interest for the domain in the pre-release auction. Has that changed?
 
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newbie how he grab

If the domain is a pre-release auction at GoDaddy. They bid in the auction if there is another bid, or buy it when it is in the Closeout Auction, if there are no bidders in the pre-release auction. It's their best option for capturing the domain. Noob or Expert. This is the best options for both of them/us :) No need to play games with GoDaddy Backorders.
 
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Recent News

Pheenix.com dropped most of their Registrars, and so are no longer competitive at drop catching domains. So please ignore any comments about regarding Pheenix in this thread.

NameCatch on the other hand have added another 500 or so in the last year. They were the biggest Drop-Catcher on the planet even before they almost doubled their number of registrars. but they are now capturing maybe up to 70% of all drop catches, with their approx 1200-1300 (Too many to count) registrars. Making them even more essential not to ignore them.

Because of this. I rarely consider any cheap drop-catchers any more. $59 (DropCatch) are about the lowest I consider paying these days. The thing being, that if they capture the domain (and they often do), if nobody else has also ordered it at DropCatch. You win the domain outright. And if other people are still trying to capture at any other cheap registrar. Their chances are slim. This is how pervasive DropCatch have become with their drop-catching.
 
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Pheenix.com dropped most of their Registrars, and so are no longer competitive at drop catching domains.
Wow. That's why they haven't caught anything worthy to me lately. Thanks for the info!
 
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Just wanna say thanks for the very informative post...great for a newbie like me.
 
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The thing being, that if they capture the domain (and they often do), if nobody else has also ordered it at DropCatch. You win the domain outright.

if you are the only person with a backorder in place waiting for an auction to finish will Dropcatch actually catch this for you or is there a risk they will make an algorithmic decision and throw in their own backorder which will place it in auction?
Are they ethical and provide the service they advertise or do they see your interest as an opportunity to out-bid you and try and make profit?
 
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if you are the only person with a backorder in place waiting for an auction to finish will Dropcatch actually catch this for you or is there a risk they will make an algorithmic decision and throw in their own backorder which will place it in auction?
Are they ethical and provide the service they advertise or do they see your interest as an opportunity to out-bid you and try and make profit?
There is no auction if you are the only one that back ordered the name and if they are able to catch it; you will have it in your account.
 
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If you are the only backorder on the $59 level, domain is yours if captured. On the discount level, it will most probably get cherry picked (or call it whatever you like) by huge domains which is themselves if it's a decent .com... And it can even happen with .nets as well.
 
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I got suckered into prefunding my Pheenix account for $30.. It will be good to see how long it takes for me to actually win a name to use that credit.
 
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PENDING DELETE DOMAIN AUCTIONS (update July 2018)

As far as capturing dropping domains. there are today only 3 sizable players. DropCatch, NameJet, SnapNames. There might be other companies who claim to be competitive. But they are still bit players. In fact, the resources behind DropCatch are so large and overwhelming, that they dominate the market today, July 2018. And probably have been in that position from the time of my first post on this subject.

My own personal strategy has changed slightly. If there is a dropping domain I want. I go straight ahead and backorder it at DropCatch for $59. $20 cheaper than their closest other rivals. Most times, I have been lucky that I won the domain outright. But if it goes to auction, because of other backorders. I generally lose in the auction. But this has been an excellent strategy for me. Backordering it at DropCatch has 3 distinct advantages. 1) HugeDomains cannot particpate, even if they wanted too, and 2) The main competition of NameJet/SnapNames has also been eliminated. 3) Maybe nobody else has thought to backorder at DropCatch for whatever reason :)

I would also say that there are some great dropping domains, mostly gobbled up by HugeDomains, because nobody else has backordered the domains at DropCatch, like I'm suggesting, and do. If you look at the quality of domains which have more than 2 bidders and have gone to auction. They really aren't that great, IMHO. Of course there will always be exceptions. They appear to have a distinct Chinese flavor to them. IMHO. So there are a great number of dropping domains, caught by HugeDomains, because nobody else has backordered them at DropCatch.

Just my 2c of wisdom on dropping domain strategies in July 2018 :)
 
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You sometimes find a good domain or two if you look at the Private Sellers domains for sale on DropCatch also. They mostly have the look and feel of domains which have been won by the DropCatch system by an individual who won the domain by being the only bidder, who has changed their mind and is looking to recover some/all of their investment. They are by nature a tad more speculative. Most of them reach the end of their auction without any bids. But you can occasionally find a nice speculative brandable domain there.
 
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PENDING DELETE DOMAIN AUCTIONS (update July 2018)

As far as capturing dropping domains. there are today only 3 sizable players. DropCatch, NameJet, SnapNames. There might be other companies who claim to be competitive. But they are still bit players. In fact, the resources behind DropCatch are so large and overwhelming, that they dominate the market today, July 2018. And probably have been in that position from the time of my first post on this subject.

My own personal strategy has changed slightly. If there is a dropping domain I want. I go straight ahead and backorder it at DropCatch for $59. $20 cheaper than their closest other rivals. Most times, I have been lucky that I won the domain outright. But if it goes to auction, because of other backorders. I generally lose in the auction. But this has been an excellent strategy for me. Backordering it at DropCatch has 3 distinct advantages. 1) HugeDomains cannot particpate, even if they wanted too, and 2) The main competition of NameJet/SnapNames has also been eliminated. 3) Maybe nobody else has thought to backorder at DropCatch for whatever reason :)

I would also say that there are some great dropping domains, mostly gobbled up by HugeDomains, because nobody else has backordered the domains at DropCatch, like I'm suggesting, and do. If you look at the quality of domains which have more than 2 bidders and have gone to auction. They really aren't that great, IMHO. Of course there will always be exceptions. They appear to have a distinct Chinese flavor to them. IMHO. So there are a great number of dropping domains, caught by HugeDomains, because nobody else has backordered them at DropCatch.

Just my 2c of wisdom on dropping domain strategies in July 2018 :)

Nice contributios there, I can see the wealth of experience you displayed here. Thanks
 
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I got suckered into prefunding my Pheenix account for $30.. It will be good to see how long it takes for me to actually win a name to use that credit.

Ask for a refund. I did and got my money back...
 
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PENDING DELETE DOMAIN AUCTIONS (update July 2018)

I would also say that there are some great dropping domains, mostly gobbled up by HugeDomains, because nobody else has backordered the domains at DropCatch, like I'm suggesting, and do. If you look at the quality of domains which have more than 2 bidders and have gone to auction. They really aren't that great, IMHO. Of course there will always be exceptions. They appear to have a distinct Chinese flavor to them. IMHO. So there are a great number of dropping domains, caught by HugeDomains, because nobody else has backordered them at DropCatch.

Just my 2c of wisdom on dropping domain strategies in July 2018 :)

OK. Just to put some perspective into these statements. On any 1 day, there are approx 70 (it varies of course) with 2 or more bids added to DropCatch's auctions. Approx 1/3rd of which are non-com (mostly .org). So there are approx 50 .com domains with the 2 bids minimum requirement. Of these 50, approx half have more then the minimum bid by the second day of the auction. But on the last day of the auction you can still find domains with only the 2 minimum bids (meaning they are probably not worth much more than the $59 intrinsically), with all these eyes and bots watching these auctions. At the top end, it's unusual to see 5 domains bid over $1k on any one closing day.

Even if we stick to the entire 70+ domains added each day, out of the 10's of thousands dropped. It's a drop in the ocean. I couldn't find a reliable source for how many drops take place every day (quickly for this post). So let's just guess at 30k. Lets assume 98% should stay dropped. That would suggest 2% or 600 are worth re-registering. So.HugeDomains have a choice of approx 600-70=530 domains they are allowed to register under DropCatch's ToS. I'm not saying they are going to register all of these. A few might even be caught by their miserable competition ;) You do the math if you have better data.

The point of this example is because of DropCatch's huge resources. They will beat their competition hands down in this game of dropcatching. And the only way us "microbes" can beat Huge Domains is by placing your full priced backorder bids with DropCatch. This is the reason I changed my strategy mentioned in my last post.
 
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Of course. you could argue that you would have the best chance of capturing the domain if you backordered the domain at all 3 dropcatchers. DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet. I'd like to hear any reasons why, or why not, this is a good idea?
 
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OK. Just to put some perspective into these statements. On any 1 day, there are approx 70 (it varies of course) with 2 or more bids added to DropCatch's auctions. Approx 1/3rd of which are non-com (mostly .org). So there are approx 50 .com domains with the 2 bids minimum requirement. Of these 50, approx half have more then the minimum bid by the second day of the auction. But on the last day of the auction you can still find domains with only the 2 minimum bids (meaning they are probably not worth much more than the $59 intrinsically), with all these eyes and bots watching these auctions. At the top end, it's unusual to see 5 domains bid over $1k on any one closing day.

Even if we stick to the entire 70+ domains added each day, out of the 10's of thousands dropped. It's a drop in the ocean. I couldn't find a reliable source for how many drops take place every day (quickly for this post). So let's just guess at 30k. Lets assume 98% should stay dropped. That would suggest 2% or 600 are worth re-registering. So.HugeDomains have a choice of approx 600-70=530 domains they are allowed to register under DropCatch's ToS. I'm not saying they are going to register all of these. A few might even be caught by their miserable competition ;) You do the math if you have better data.

The point of this example is because of DropCatch's huge resources. They will beat their competition hands down in this game of dropcatching. And the only way us "microbes" can beat Huge Domains is by placing your full priced backorder bids with DropCatch. This is the reason I changed my strategy mentioned in my last post.
a bit math :)
there are about 80K .com expiring everyday.
about 10% of them are catched (about 8K) everyday.
dropcatch takes about 50% of them (4K)
HD takes about 75% of them (3K)


To win the most domains here is my strategy to know where to order or not,it's based on tests...

You have to try different strategies
a) snapnames discount (with a service like mine)
b) dropcatch discount
c) dropcatch regular
d) snapnames regular

tests:
1) order on : a
2) order on : a+b
3) order on : a+c
4) order on : d
5) order on :c+ d

If you dont care paying $79 or more for domains, forget tests 1) 2) 3) ; test only 4) and 5)
For domains where you prefer to pay less than $79 follow tests 1 to 5

Try each test with 20 domains and count by the end how many domains you have with each test and expenses to know how much continuing on a long hand the same strategy will cost you...

One thing to know is that services put more power on domain when they have a lot of backorders for it, so it's not a good choice to backorder everywhere your domains, if domains goes to public auction after...
 
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After how long ? This was a while back
I think their account funds are fully refundable at any time. So you can request refund for your unused funds.
 
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I couldn't find a reliable source for how many drops take place every day (quickly for this post). So let's just guess at 30k.

How's that you can't find? Just take amy drop list, from DD, NJ, etc.

It's usually like 80-130k drops every day, com + net + org + info + co + cc + biz + name + *.uk

dropcatch takes about 50% of them (4K)

Where do you have these stats from? I highly highly doubt there are 4k domains dropping daily worth backordering.
 
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How's that you can't find? Just take amy drop list, from DD, NJ, etc.

It's usually like 80-130k drops every day, com + net + org + info + co + cc + biz + name + *.uk



Where do you have these stats from? I highly highly doubt there are 4k domains dropping daily worth backordering.
using expireddomains.net , caught section, filter by registrar name
 
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@davidc1 - Appreciate your input. Thank you. There is one big difference between your 10% and my 2%. Your 10% are actual real .com re-registrations. Whereas my 2% is only .coms worth actually re-registering (and therefore rather subjective). But I have no real problem swapping your figures for mine because they are just illustrative :)

What figure I find interesting from your stats is Huge Domains are capturing about 3k each day. There are approx 50 .com with 2 or more backorders a day on DropCatch, plus an unknown number of single backorders on DropCatch (like mine). So there is a lot of room for improvement for my suggestion, that if you really care to beat your biggest competition in this DropCatch game. You really should be backordering your domains with DropCatch, in order to eliminate your largest single competitor. By far :)

Another stat which might be useful is how many servers DropCatch, SnapNames, NameJet have working on this dropcatching. To see their relative success rates.
 
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