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I have had some domains for 20 years maybe in 10 years they will be valuable. lol It is all speculation as long as some are paying high amounts there is an industry. The last few years have been the second coming of the type in so it has given some fresh light to industry allowing anyone again to register some quality.
 
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I see premium one or two word dot-Com domain names; especially those with dictionary or commercial meaning reaching a 2nd Golden Age from 2018-2023. The 2019 global recession will wash away the over-supply of nGTLDs as those registries are sold or dissolved. This will come on the heels of the 2016-2019 retail apocalypse as retail is mostly conducted online by 2020. We already see this summer, blockbuster dot-Com one word or LL/LLL lighting up the DN Journal top public sales in July; during a so-called slow time in sales, mid-summer.

By 2028, GoDaddy, Afternic, Huge Domains, similar registries, and general Corporations will be the largest domain sellers or owners of premium dot-Coms with dictionary or commercial meaning. buying out premium dot-Com portfolios (the 20% that own 80% of all the remaining super premium 1-2 word domains).

End users are buying their EMDs in Aftermarket auctions more and more these days; hence some very expensive expiring auctions. I know because I was in touch with a corporation, who won their EMD dot-Com on a GoDaddy auction without a broker or seller; the CMO did the bidding; successfully cutting out the middle man. By 2028, most domain brokers will be out of business, as corporations go straight to the domain sellers or aftermarkets to secure their digital assets.

Sure, there will be new products and services, and a few domain speculators that will register and sell; but they will become. At what point will corps will realize, you don't announce a product without owning the domain name? Soon...I started domain speculating in 2015, I'm up $25k 2018; I plan to make as much as I can within 5 years before the music stops...
 
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I just say
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A really interesting thread!

(1) I am not sure exactly how, but I think the biggest change will be how AI will change how we access the web, it will make choices for us in terms of what content, even more than now, and probably voice activated devices will be even more ubiquitous. I think this means, unfortunately, that domain names will be a bit less important.

(2) Apps will continue to replace web browsers in terms of access, and as such will also make domain names less important.

(3) I think everyone (essentially) in the world will have a personal website. This will make certain types of domain names more important.

(4) Use of domain names in marketing expressions will become more important, particularly in social media oriented campaigns.

(5) COM will continue to be the major choice for most big businesses for their main website, although they will use other extensions for specific branches (kind of like FB and NPR and Kohler do now with design).

(6) Professionals and consultants will increasingly embrace a ngTLD which matches what they do e,g, photographer, doctor, attorney, etc.).

(7) The domain marketplaces will either move to just a very few major players (maybe two), or possibly a distributed linked system which seems to the end user like all one marketplace.

(8) Digital assets will continue to be valued, and we will see a few ETF type 'funds' that are holdings of premium domains.

(9) The automated expressions of worth will become much better and more accepted as they use more sophisticated deep learning.

(10) We will not have many domain brokers per se, but what we will have is one-stop branding professionals in a certain field (like design say) that will help businesses in an integrated way choose a name, get a domain name, get web operational, brand and advertise.

(11) Domain investors will still exist, but they will tend to hold domains for shorter periods, and have smaller margins from purchase to selling price.

(12) Even more than at present, a primary purpose of a premium domain name will be in a listing (e.g. in advertising) that is distinctive and positive. Search stats will be less important than now.

Wake me up in ten years to tell me how wrong I have been! Thanks!
 
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I have no idea where the industry (or the Internet) will be in 10 years, but here are some of the factors I think may have a significant impact on the domain industry:

- The dominance of walled gardens/closed platforms. While big corporations will always have their own domain-based presence on the internet, a number of small to medium sized end-users are content with existing solely within another platform, without having a website presence on their own domain. There are small businesses that only exist within Facebook, eBay, Etsy, even on Instagram. While all of these platforms have a number of limitations, we might see the emergence of new platforms that are far better than these, and a lot of the users who set up their business exclusively across such platforms will not buy domains. This mainly affects buyers in the low end of the market (i.e. someone who might have bought a $XXX domain to post their writings just registers for a medium.com account instead).

- Corporations are trying to alter how the internet functions to prevent piracy. Such commercial pressures may hurt the open structure of the web.

- Google and their war on domains. Like when they started hiding domains from mobile search results. They don’t want you to be able to access websites directly, type-in. They want all traffic to go through them.

- The weakening of western economies and the western middle class, and the shift in the global power balance and trade system is possibly going to impact lower end English language .com demand over time. These are the kinds of domains most of us here hold. These are the kinds of domains owned by HugeDomains and BuyDomains. Many quickly growing economies use their cctlds with names and brands based on their native language, not the kinds of.coms the industry is largely centered on at the moment. So while there may be a decline in many "traditional" .COM markets, the growth in newer economies would probably not do anything to make up for that decline.

- Actions by governments to maintain political control (i.e. China's great firewall). Increased blocking and filtering leads to further fracturing and segmentation of the web. Maybe we’ll have a Web of Webs instead that is splintered and nation-based, and function as disparate and unconnected autonomous spheres, that are walled off from the World Wide Web. Maybe well have governments establish alternative roots. A number of surveillance and privacy issues are also closely connected with the way governments are “dealing with” the Internet, and that could have a negative affect on the open and free Internet.

- The shift from a decentralized to a centralized Internet (in terms of everything from hosting and standardized infrastructures, to outsized service providers that dominate the services that support the Internet). Aside from the security and privacy issues that arise from this, it also makes the playing field less even and makes it harder for users to discover, choose, and change services, and as a result it’s harder for new services to compete on the Internet. A small number of huge companies dominating the Internet is obviously not good for selling domains, as such companies usually only need to acquire a tiny number of new domains each year.

- Voice computing/AI personal assistants could affect how we use the Internet, but I have no idea how they might affect domains.

- As @anantj mentioned, we might see a system to replace the entire DNS system in its current form. It would take a long time before we see full adoption of new technology like that. I believe it will happen some day, but certainly not in the foreseeable future.

- I don't think we'll see any kind of "hoarding" ownership restrictions on .COM. Pre ngtlds you could reasonably make the argument that "all" the usable domains were taken by "hoarders" and "squatters". But if your name is not available in .COM, you can just register the term you want in any of hundreds of .whatevers. The selection and availability of domains if your term is taken in .COM is just staggering thanks to the new Gs. We might see restrictions that make it harder to so easily sell and transfer ownership of domains though.

- As @DomainVP mentioned, renewal prices are currently very affordable and that is because .COM has a price freeze in place, but the .COm registry, Verisign, have increase .NET prices as much as they have been allowed at every opportunity they have been allowed in their registry contract. .NETs will likely cost about $14-15 wholesale in five years time (compared with $7.XX wholesale for .COM). Verisign will surely increase .COM prices if/when a price freeze is lifted. With ICANN no longer under US control, I’m not sure if/why Verisign has to answer to the US National Telecommunications and Information Administration, who are the ones behind the price freeze. So when the .COM contract is up for renewal in 2024, and when Verisign will likely get it again, there may simply not be any price freeze stipulation at all as part of it.

Some believe that Verisign will use the shift from thin to thick WHOIS as a reason to lift the price freeze even sooner. It’s possible that we might have significantly higher .COM renewal fees to pay in the future. That would affect people who own many average quality domains and play the numbers game. It would not affect the people who own a smaller number of super premium domains.

- Companies like TurnCommerce, GoDaddy and Uniregistry serve domainers, but at the moment they seem to be primarily interested in expanding their own .COM portfolio’s and selling names in the aftermarket, competing with us regular domainers (using the money they earn from us being their customers - in what other industry is it accepted to compete against your own customers?). If you get outbid at NameJet it's more likely that it is by Frank Schilling’s Name Administration bot than by a fellow domainer, or if you get outbid at GoDaddy, it’s most likely HugeDomains piggybacking bidding bot, rather than a human being. These and a number of other corporate domain portfolio operations that are spending big day in and day out and as they grow larger and larger, they will likely squeeze out most regular domainers, who just won’t have the funds required to compete in this environment.

- The availability of domains is also becoming highly centralized. GoDaddy is acquiring more and more pre-release partners, and due to open auctions and GoDaddy providing real-time bidding activity details to their API users, a few deep-pocketed buyers can use bots to automatically bid on virtually every domain we regular domainers bid on. The bot tax is real, and you hardly ever manage to buy a domain without paying it nowadays. So more and more domains are being funneled into a platform that is very unfavorable to regular individual domainers. Similarly, on the drop, DropCatch is totally dominating, and their open public auction system makes it extremely difficult to buy anything for a reasonable price. Anything we don’t order, they catch and put in their own portfolio. What little gets caught by NJ/SN tends to be widely pre-publicized on NameJet's "the drop" list, so prices are only marginally better at NJ/SN. Previously we could buy healthy amount of inventory of domains from a number of pre-release sources, and catch domains on the drop in a number of different ways at a number of different price points. Nowadays most good stuff goes through GoDaddy’s and DropCatch’s public auctions that lead to significantly higher wholesale prices than this inventory would have fetched otherwise. It has become very expensive to buy even average quality domains.

I think the path ahead for domainers is a challenging one, and I don't think there's much we can do to affect all these developments in a way that is favorable to us. I am very positive about the short to medium term, but beyond that I am very concerned about the longevity of my livelihood as a full-time domainer.

I think the only thing we can do is stay cognizant of what is going on in and around the industry, and utilize the opportunities that arise along the way with a view to carving out a favorable position for ourselves in the future of this industry, an industry that on the whole seems to be following a trajectory that is increasingly unfavorable for us.
 
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@Arca 's post pretty much summarizes everything I believe / predict for the future.
 
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Apps replace domains. Just read carefully next time before jumping to conclusions. There will be a central database to store in cloud where the app get's the info just no need for domains.
Apps challenged domains already and d idnt make a big dent. Lost cause. Google is already refocused on mobile web. Short names back in biz.
 
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@Arca 's post pretty much summarizes everything I believe / predict for the future.
And over how many years will they play out? What longevity does domain investing have?
 
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And over how many years will they play out? What longevity does domain investing have?

Long. Like really long. Email.
 
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Corporations are trying to alter how the internet functions to prevent piracy
Somehow I originally read "... to prevent privacy" in the quoted part ;-(). Yes, to prevent both piracy and privacy. Which is why social neworks will grow more and more as a spying method and for "big data" collection, no doubts being promoted as something very convinient. Which would resultingly mean lower enduser demand for domain names in any extension, premium or not... Most endusers already voluntary share the content of their emails with google (by using @ gmail exclusively), and they do not even think that "deleting" anything from google is in fact making it invisible for enduser... nothing is really deleted. The next step may indeed be posting web content exclusively on social network platforms where a separate domain name is not needed.
 
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Long. Like really long. Email.
Let's hope so!

Though with the way consolidation and centralization is shaping the domain market I feel like the functionality of domains is going to considerably exceed the lifespan of our domain investing activities. The one-man/woman type of indie operation most of us have going on is likely going to cease being worthwhile quite some time before domains are no longer being bought/sold.
 
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Somehow I originally read "... to prevent privacy" in the quoted part ;-(). Yes, to prevent both piracy and privacy. Which is why social neworks will grow more and more as a spying method and for "big data" collection, no doubts being promoted as something very convinient. Which would resultingly mean lower enduser demand for domain names in any extension, premium or not... Most endusers already voluntary share the content of their emails with google (by using @ gmail exclusively), and they do not even think that "deleting" anything from google is in fact making it invisible for enduser... nothing is really deleted. The next step may indeed be posting web content exclusively on social network platforms where a separate domain name is not needed.
Domains are THE remedy for this. While most of our online presence and interactions take place within platforms and walled gardens where we are the product, and where our data is being harvested and used against us, domains are the one thing on the Internet that people can take ownership of! Domains are the one thing online that people still have real power over.

You don't own your Facebook content, Etsy store, EBay Store, Instagram profile, Twitter page, SoundCloud page, domain.wix/weebly/wordpress.com page, and so forth. Whatever you build within somebody elses platform is owned by them, and they can take it away any time. They can take your data and abuse it. They can shut down your business just because they feel like it. You can invest years into building for example an Etsy store, and then one day wake up to find that your shop has been closed with no reason given. You can be an influencer and lose your 1 million followers owernight because your account got shut.

In contrast, you can own and control a domain and what takes place on it. Your profile/page/shop/blog can't just get shut down due to somebody else's whims.

If only more people were wary about letting third party platforms control their online presence, they would see how valuable domains are in this aspect. I don't see this happening at all among the general Internet population though, who don't even know that anyone can own a domain, that they are cheap to own, that they are a way to take ownership of and secure your online presence and so on. If they did, it would be a great boon for privacy and decentralization in general, and for the domain industry in particular!
 
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They can shut down your business just because they feel like it. You can invest years into building for example an Etsy store, and then one day wake up to find that your shop has been closed with no reason given. You can be an influencer and lose your 1 million followers owernight because your account got shut.

In contrast, you can own and control a domain and what takes place on it. Your profile/page/shop/blog can't just get shut down due to somebody else's whims.
You make very valid points indeed. It's worth people knowing that so can bad registars like what NetworkSolutions/Web.com did with France.com.

They transferred the domain away from the owner, which he was using for perfectly legitimate and successful business, without even informing him and cut off contact with him. Disgusting.
 
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True, but so can bad registars like NetworkSolutions/Web.com did with France.com.

They transferred the domain away from the owner, which he was using for perfectly legitimate and successful business, without even informing him.
Good point! Just shows you the many pitfalls of the Internet, when there are so many factors that can lead to one's online ruin. People are really complacent about this. So while domains are far more secure than using a third party platform, there are so many bad apples in the domain industry, like Network Solutions and GoDaddy, that don't respect ownership rights. So even with domains, people really have to do their due diligence to secure their online presence, otherwise they may encounter the worst...
 
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Domains are THE remedy for this. While most of our online presence and interactions take place within platforms and walled gardens where we are the product, and where our data is being harvested and used against us, domains are the one thing on the Internet that people can take ownership of! Domains are the one thing online that people still have real power over.

A great point. Masses do not necessary understand this though, so... an "advanced" content author may open or develop a website (using own domain), but a lot of his potential visitors will be on facebook and others, not bothering to look for anything else, or to type a domain name in, or to perform any actions outside the social neworks or platforms they are comfortable with. He may still develop and support a website as a hobby, just to serve a small %%% of the visitors who are "not social" / conservative, (and a number of websites such as taobao in China or amazon in U.S. will not go anywhere of course), but will he purchase a premium domain name then? This is the question...
 
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My two cents:
  • I see similar problems with centralization as @DomainVP - reminded me of Matt Drudge warning of "internet ghettos". Personally, as a supporter of open and free internet, I would LIKE to see anti-trust law justly applied and breakup Google / Facebook / Amazon. It could depend on the global political movements and people identifying the walled gardens as an issue, rather than calling for censorship as a necessity to prevent fake news and hate speech. Easier ways to host your own content like Wix / Wordpress would be helpful for the domaining community so people see creating their own websites as an option.
  • For social media, we will see a likely growth of platforms that give the rewards to the content creators (would recommend reading / listening to Who Owns the Future by Jaron Lanier), which I personally think should be decentralized and censorship resistant. Something similiar to Steem but less sketchy and hopefully paying out in bitcoin. Also, I would like to welcome our new AI overlords. They will surely be so helpful we won't need to tell it to go to our .coms.
  • Most of the time, I live in China, and I can vouch that government censorship there makes the internet largely worthless to me without a VPN workaround. They just block the IP addresses of disapproved content. If this trend spreads, it would certainly be bad for the domain industry. :nailbiting: Chinese will sooner create a Wechat account than make a website. Generally, I'm surprised how few Chinese small businesses have websites.
  • If smartphones replaced PC / laptop, the next step is XR (VR / AR, etc) replacing smartphones - I think we can assume primarily in the form of glasses. So for domains to be relevant in that future, I believe WebXR would need to be successful and also still apply domain names for its use. (Sidenote WebXR doesn't seem to have a website O_o). That way websites can display content natively for Apple's AR glasses and billions of people will be saved from "smartphone neck". :nurse: Cheers!
 
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Apps replace domains. Just read carefully next time before jumping to conclusions. There will be a central database to store in cloud where the app get's the info just no need for domains.

This dude is actually right about the fact that apps would replace domains; for example now; I no longer go to blog website for news I need or newspaper website; because there is opera news which is appbase contents; more than enough content for me to consume; also I can remember the last time I enter facebookdotcom, there is facebook app and messenger, instagram and cos; many social medias all have apps; many companies and developing apps too.

But for the main time; let enjoy it while it last
 
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I work with a giant Telecom firm in the US, when I first started in 1997 I was told by the old timers its a shame you just started because wireless phones are going to take your job within five years. Flash forward its 2018 and the company just signed a contract with us till 2023. The industry has changed but we changed with it, and I believe the same will happen with the domain industry. Long live Domains!!! :cigar:
 
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This dude is actually right about the fact that apps would replace domains; for example now; I no longer go to blog website for news I need or newspaper website; because there is opera news which is appbase contents; more than enough content for me to consume; also I can remember the last time I enter facebookdotcom, there is facebook app and messenger, instagram and cos; many social medias all have apps; many companies and developing apps too.

But for the main time; let enjoy it while it last

Thanks for the laugh. I guess Facebook will just drop their domain right? :ROFL:
 
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this idea that apps will replace domains falls at the first hurdle. There is not one app mentioned in this thread that doesn't have a domain. Even the opera news app uses the web address opera.com. I understand we use apps more but every company knows it needs a web presence and an email address, if for nothing else as the entry point. Companies just use them hand in hand.
Social will keep evolving to the next best thing, which means in 20 years twitter will have died facebook just for the retired and the kids will be on the next platform yet to be developed.
Domains will still be around in a 100 years similar to 1100 Pennsylvania Ave Washington survived the postal code system, we love to use language to describe a destination and to navigate to a website will always use plain language.
Predicting the end of domains has been voiced for the last 20 years and will be having the same discussion in the next 20
 
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this idea that apps will replace domains falls at the first hurdle. There is not one app mentioned in this thread that doesn't have a domain. Even the opera news app uses the web address opera.com. I understand we use apps more but every company knows it needs a web presence and an email address, if for nothing else as the entry point. Companies just use them hand in hand.


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And over how many years will they play out? What longevity does domain investing have?

This is hard to predict. It depends on when one of the big players will make their move.
 
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Like him or hate him Alex Jones had his social media presence removed from the top five platforms yesterday and I believe this action shows that there will always be a need to have your own platform to showcase your product or content. This move would be crippling to a business owner who solely depends on others platforms to promote their business.
 
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