domains Are European domainers going to start getting shunned?

hwgriffi said:

China is segregated, and .COM values are doing just fine.

Add the EU to the list, because they should have stopped with the "right to be forgotten" and the idiotic "cookie notifications". Now we all have to suffer under GDPR.

Just like television, let them have their laws that only apply to them in their region instead of having the whole world suffer because they are stuck in 2005, scared to death to use eBay and enter their credit card information.

What's next? Permission checks every time you want to connect a device to the internet to regulate what is being connected? Oy!

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You are under the impression that US traffic/customers make up for around 90% of the total in this industry? Sedo and the other big guys in this industry(probably namepros as well), they all have roughly the same traffic, around 25-30% US traffic and 30-40% EU traffic, I wonder which of the big players could afford to loose 40% of their revenue? You should ask google to cut off Europe and loose almost half of their profits and see what will be the response. A few banal blog owners who target mostly US customers doesn't mean anything for anybody.

PS: you can complain as much as you want, but for me, the new privacy works, I'm getting rid of so many companies which should have never sent me any emails and follow my contacts to see what they can 'recommend'

1Darko said:

I like the word "balkanization"

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Me too

eurorealtor said:

es, we all idiots in Europa

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boker said:

You are under the impression

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I can shut down both of your arguments with one word.

BREXIT.

Any union that would allow that to happen is bound to foul up anything they have a say in, including the internet. Please feel free to continue to pat each other on the backs while the ship sinks. Good day bros.

boker said:

You are under the impression that US traffic/customers make up for around 90% of the total in this industry? Sedo and the other big guys in this industry(probably namepros as well), they all have roughly the same traffic, around 25-30% US traffic and 30-40% EU traffic, I wonder which of the big players could afford to loose 40% of their revenue? You should ask google to cut off Europe and loose almost half of their profits and see what will be the response. A few banal blog owners who target mostly US customers doesn't mean anything for anybody.

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^^^^^
THIS!!!!

Let's also remember that SEDO is a German company, Undeveloped is Dutch and that Europe has something like 750 million inhabitants while the US have half.

If we want to put it under this ( silly imo ) umbrella then Who is going to isolate who?? Perception is everything...

So far all and I mean ALL serious businesses all over the world regardless to their size have made adjustments to comply and sent out a ton of emails so maybe this is a wonderful opportunities to see who is worth trusting and who is not.

hwgriffi said:

I can shut down both of your arguments with one word.

BREXIT.

Any union that would allow that to happen is bound to foul up anything they have a say in, including the internet. Please feel free to continue to pat each other on the backs while the ship sinks. Good day bros.

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We "all" want exit the EU. Until than we have to keep going.

So all Europa got free privacy on their domains? lol..
this is gonna hit badly on Europa market, soon there will be no Europa union..

Apprich said:

soon there will be no Europa..

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survived 2 world wars, will survive European Union

hwgriffi said:

Add the EU to the list, because they should have stopped with the "right to be forgotten" and the idiotic "cookie notifications". Now we all have to suffer under GDPR.

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The right to be forgotten was introduced a few years ago and indeed caused some headaches. So in a way GDPR is nothing new really.
The cookie thing is indeed pointless. But you know politicians like to show they are doing something to protect you (while at the same time violating your privacy even more).

hwgriffi said:

Just like television, let them have their laws that only apply to them in their region instead of having the whole world suffer because they are stuck in 2005, scared to death to use eBay and enter their credit card information.

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You haven't noticed how the domain industry is US-centric. And usually the US always enforces its own rules upon the rest of the world, and we have to carry on.
Americans think that their rules are the best, and it's the most natural thing to do.
But now that the EU is taking the lead for a change, see the uproar. Funny. Why should Europeans always be at the receiving end ?

By the way, companies had 4 years to anticipate and prepare for GDPR, why are people scrambling at the last minute ? This is not serious.

hwgriffi said:

I can shut down both of your arguments with one word.

BREXIT.

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A real success story. I mean, a car crash unfolding in real time.
On the other hand yes, the US is really a good example for the rest of the world, especially nowadays.
But no thanks

Apprich said:

So all Europa got free privacy on their domains? lol..
this is gonna hit badly on Europa market, soon there will be no Europa..

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Yup, we are finished

BREXIT - don't worry people, the UK doesn't go anywhere, they are now like bride first wedding night

US - from my point of view US is very successful lately to isolate themselves from rest of the world, China, EU... and they will continue to do that

I am not sure how that going to make the US great again, I just don't see how

Btw. somebody interested in - TheEndAmerica in King of course?

Brexit was smart move.. now Brits can do business with anyone they want. EU is killing herself by putting more regulation. Despite the fact Eu was established to do better business under custom union and free movement.

Apprich said:

Brexit was smart move.. now Brits can do business with anyone they want.

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They already can. Not on the same terms though.
As they insist on leaving the customs union, they will lose some of the benefits of free trade with the EU. In short: goods yes, services no.
Did you know for example that the EU has free-trade agreements with over 50 countries and that the UK is going to lose the benefit of those agreements, and will have to renegotiate everything, on its own (read: with dramatically diminished leverage)

Apprich said:

EU is killing herself by putting more regulation.

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And the US isn't causing disruption through its own regulation frenzy ? You clearly don't seem to be on top of news.

Apprich said:

Brexit was smart move.. now Brits can do business with anyone they want.

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Well, in hindsight the majority of the British don't think it was a smart move. It was an uneducated vote for most people and it's not good for business. Trading with the biggest EU economies got harder, the £ took a major hit and I could go on.

There's a lot of room for improvement when it comes to the EU but when you look at it in an educated way it's a smart move to form a block together and reach out to other countries instead of isolating yourself like the big players (us, China, Russia) are doing.

As for the GDPR, sure some things are annoying but when you look at the big picture it's good that they acknowledge privacy is something to be taken seriously.

Do I agree with everything thats in it? Ofcourse not. I'm not a big fan of the whois going 'dark'. But it's not the GDPR to blame. Some ccTLDs have great working alternatives that could have been implemented long ago on a global scale.

NameOmnia said:

^^^^^
THIS!!!!

Let's also remember that SEDO is a German company, Undeveloped is Dutch and that Europe has something like 750 million inhabitants while the US have half.

If we want to put it under this ( silly imo ) umbrella then Who is going to isolate who?? Perception is everything...

So far all and I mean ALL serious businesses all over the world regardless to their size have made adjustments to comply and sent out a ton of emails so maybe this is a wonderful opportunities to see who is worth trusting and who is not.

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People are banning the European Union not all of Europe. EU has about 511 million inhabitants not 750 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union

All people will do whatever they see as right, some will take the laws of another country forced on them and others will say no thanks. Been going on long before this.

Blocking 500 Million Users Is Easier Than Complying With Europe’s New Rules

Kate said:

Did you know for example that the EU has free-trade agreements with over 50 countries and that the UK is going to lose the benefit of those agreements, and will have to renegotiate everything, on its own (read: with dramatically diminished leverage)
And the US isn't causing disruption through its own regulation frenzy ? You clearly don't seem to be on top of news.

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I read this as UK wanted to reshuffle his cards by sitting on negotiation table with all over world.. It can turn good or bad, depends on negotiation skills. In the beginning it may sounds like loosing benefits however being independent from Brussel would increase agility to move forward. Anyway it will be clear in future.

NameDeck said:

As for the GDPR, sure some things are annoying but when you look at the big picture it's good that they acknowledge privacy is something to be taken seriously.

Do I agree with everything thats in it? Ofcourse not. I'm not a big fan of the whois going 'dark'. But it's not the GDPR to blame. Some ccTLDs have great working alternatives that could have been implemented long ago on a global scale.

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Sure privacy is important, but they can always buy privacy to cover info or remove their data from unwanted websites. However, regulation will lead now to big burden on businesses within EU and also outside EU.. Basically this is data protectionism not good in business world.

GDPR has not been set against domainers and domaining or to oppose Europe to the rest of the world. We all know that.
It's been set for privacy and to let citizens managing thir privacy online.
Let me illustrate with an example. Like many people, i've tried blogging using wordpress and i've also registered an avatar on gravatar. On both websites, i've left my private informations. Once i've decided to stop blogging, i've also decided to quit wordpress and gravatar as i was not using them anymore. Guess what ? Until the 25th of may, both of them didn't have a deleting account fonction. So that means that these two websites can keep your private informations for life and doing whatever they want ! I was not the master of my own identity, email address, mail address and phone number ! Thanks to GDPR, they cannot do that anymore. So i think that's a very good thing.
Another example for GDPR is fighting against fraud. I don't know how it is outside Europe but here fraud using personal informations is quite important. Frauders collect your personal informations you leave on websites (they also can use the whois database) and make false documents (ID, salary slips, ...) to obtain credits for example. For the persons who have been abused, it is very tough and some of them are in big trouble as they must prove that their identities have been stolen. So, if private informations are more difficult to get for frauders, that's also a very good thing.
Nothing is perfect for sure. But at least GDPR gives back to citizens the power of administrating their private informations online and protects them more.

equity78 said:

People are banning the European Union not all of Europe. EU has about 511 million inhabitants not 750 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union

All people will do whatever they see as right, some will take the laws of another country forced on them and others will say no thanks. Been going on long before this.

Blocking 500 Million Users Is Easier Than Complying With Europe’s New Rules

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" The General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (EU) 2016/679 is a regulation in EU law on data protection and privacy for all individuals within the European Union and the European Economic Area "

Anyway, like I said it will help us choose between serious business and non serious business.

There are guidelines on how to comply and as someone has said companies had 4 years to put this in practice; if they haven't it means they don't care about European customers, visitors and their privacy.

It is much easier than what US companies portray; even the new versions of WP have tools inbuilt that do 90% of the job.

Banning around 350M people from buying your domains sounds like a great idea, get ready for UDRP complaints.

Look up. Over your head.
Do you see ? The sky is falling.

lol crazy stuff. Once you have a data process in place, that protects you. If small-medium websites and bloggers think they are going to be targeted they are crazy. This is ten people in an office in Carlow or somewhere.

The big targets are insurance companies. Do you steal other people's social welfare details? No? Well, then I'd relax :D

Do you hold data on anyone's health, such as whether they have cancer?

No? Then I'd relax.

While I'm having a bit of a rant, ICAAN has truly hit the panic button.

You *are* allowed to maintain data *if* that data is necessary for *legal* purposes.

ICAAN is the same body that brought you GTLDs and the they are the body in charge of WHOIS regulations.

I'm available for counselling services if anyone needs that lol

On the argument about GDPR preventing people from swapping business cards... It would only apply if you intended to input their details into your computer system and assume that you are free to market to them just because they gave you a business card. You're not free to market to them without their permission, it's pretty simple.

If you intend to collect people's details and use it for nefarious means like marketing to them when they didn't ask you to and you don't agree to stop doing it when asked, then you're going to get into trouble. There's not really anything wrong with that imho.

The GDPR talks about processing data, storing it safely, using it as intended, only asking for data that you need, marketing to those who agree, keeping it up to date and deleting it if someone asks you to. It's a way to allow people control over their data. If it's that onerous to do these things, even as a start up, you're probably doing something that you shouldn't be doing.

I'm no legal expert, but interested to know your thoughts.

I draw the line at all of this cookie consent bs though... no one I've ever met knows or cares about exactly which cookies are set and why. I'm getting a bit sick of going onto websites and clicking 'Accept' just to get the thing out of my view... the only other option is to go exploring their privacy policies and having the onerous task of opting out of everything. Websites are listing every cookie they've ever set in a table and explaining what they are all for... no one is every going to read that.

This is one of the opt out pages for one website that I saw the other day:



Cookies just shouldn't contain personal data and shouldn't be personally identifiable. Maybe the cookie API should allow developers to mark tracking cookies as tracking cookies... then at least those that want to comply, can do easily. There's no hard and fast way to prevent websites from 'abusing' cookies to track people without legal action.

Lol if the US and other countries ban Europe (Europe users), supposedly the world would be a better place.

If Europe and other countries ban Trump supposedly the world would be a better place.

Don't know if either of them will ever happen, but would like to see the end results to see which one would have the most positive impact.

EU traffic represents 9% - 11% of annual traffic at DG, with 5% coming from the UK.

The benefits of blocking that inbound traffic outnumber the issues imposed by the over-reaching GDPR.

Until it's considerably more clear what is feasible through the GDPR and what isn't, e.g. whether companies in the US should give a toss about GDPR claims, it's prudent to block such traffic. Many US companies already took the same approach.

Privacy is one thing, and the crap that Eurocrat bureaucrats glued together to create a sword hanging over the head of everyone is another. Peter Thiel already called this legislation out as "jealousy" of the Europeans towards US tech companies.

ICANN took a spineless approach as well, rushing a temporary solution that stunts the WHOIS, until it goes fully dark. If you support the GDPR, you're shooting your own foot as domain investors.

zeff said:

GDPR has not been set against domainers and domaining or to oppose Europe to the rest of the world. We all know that.
It's been set for privacy and to let citizens managing thir privacy online.
Let me illustrate with an example. Like many people, i've tried blogging using wordpress and i've also registered an avatar on gravatar. On both websites, i've left my private informations. Once i've decided to stop blogging, i've also decided to quit wordpress and gravatar as i was not using them anymore. Guess what ? Until the 25th of may, both of them didn't have a deleting account fonction. So that means that these two websites can keep your private informations for life and doing whatever they want ! I was not the master of my own identity, email address, mail address and phone number ! Thanks to GDPR, they cannot do that anymore. So i think that's a very good thing.
Another example for GDPR is fighting against fraud. I don't know how it is outside Europe but here fraud using personal informations is quite important. Frauders collect your personal informations you leave on websites (they also can use the whois database) and make false documents (ID, salary slips, ...) to obtain credits for example. For the persons who have been abused, it is very tough and some of them are in big trouble as they must prove that their identities have been stolen. So, if private informations are more difficult to get for frauders, that's also a very good thing.
Nothing is perfect for sure. But at least GDPR gives back to citizens the power of administrating their private informations online and protects them more.

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Yeah well now I can't even see the who is of my own domains thanks to gdpr so I am no fan. I don't care if companies have my name and address. I'd rather have working whois than get a few less spam emails.

I believe it will give more power to big corporates. Regulators show it as they care about privacy of people in Europe, it's bs.. all they care is protecting big corporations and kill the small guys.

it's going to be like this, big corporate who are accredited will have access to data, small and medium enterprises will be considered as spam marketer or will have to pay money to accredited companies. Ex. we as domainers wont be able to access data where as big registrars will have access.

I think this is going to be new trend after all in the world, Internet used to be public intellectual property, and now with regulations they are trying to change the nature of internet, and make it not private or paid service.

I for one am giving up wine and cheese. At least the good kind of cheese.