question Is 4L com pricing basically nonsense?

Truespin Domains · May 7, 2018

I've been trying to get my head around the pricing of llll.com domains and for the most part it seems nonsensical.

I get that cvcv and vcvc are good because they tend to produce easy to pronounce and memorable words. But when it comes to "good" and "bad" letters it all becomes a bit mad.

Sexy.com would be a terrible domain based on the VC pattern and good / bad letter wisdom, but is probably one of the most valuable 4ls

Equally, you can easily have cvcc domains that are more pronounceable than vcvc addresses, or sound better. But that's completely ignored. Pixl.com? Tikl.com? Bigr.com?

It seems that 4ls are basically traded like tokens rather than because of any real underlying utility. EGUW counts as good? But ZAPZ.com is bad? I'd much rather own the latter, but that goes against all 4l pricing guides. Even zapx.com is surely better and more memorable than EGUW? But according to guides zapx is terrible?

I get that the Chinese Market created a sort of gold rush mania, but as I understand it that mostly in relation to nnnn domains.

I am admittedly about ten years out the loop when it comes to domain investment, but I can't be the only one to think the 4l market is a little silly?

gotasale · May 7, 2018

the market is changing everywhile, but overall 4LLLLs market is a quiet stable market , although prices has dropped dramatically from the heights reached in 2015 , but it is still a liquid market with a lot of investors are still buying.

for evaluation and pricing of 4LLLLs , it is the same problem with evaluation of any domain name or digital world as also for cryptocurrency. it is almost impossible to put a precise price with a lot of variations and fluctuations as well.

accent · May 23, 2018

You've got some of the basics. Forget words and common abbreviations like USA, they are seen as words, with some added for being short, but the meaning carries it.

The pronounceable sector is filled with formula investors. If you see a good deal on Pixl.com Tikl.com, or Bigr.com grab it quick. End users don't know domainer superstitions. Two others: A large gap in price between Western premium and nonpremium and a overblown fear of hyphens.

There is a market for LLLL as tokens, at the lowest price level - now about $1000 for Chinese premium (no AEIOUV) and $150 for the rest. There are many levels above that where value comes out. Finding gems in the dust is part of the fun.

The Chinese are a real factor in LLLL.com domains, more than 60% of domains without AEIOUV are now in China, with even more owned by ex-pats. Watch the auctions: 456976 LLLL total and 200000 are CHIPs (China premium) but only about 10% of the domains at auction are CHIPs.

accent · May 23, 2018

... 160000 are CHIPs ...

Truespin Domains · May 23, 2018

accent said:
You've got some of the basics. Forget words and common abbreviations like USA, they are seen as words, with some added for being short, but the meaning carries it.

The pronounceable sector is filled with formula investors. If you see a good deal on Pixl.com Tikl.com, or Bigr.com grab it quick. End users don't know domainer superstitions. Two others: A large gap in price between Western premium and nonpremium and a overblown fear of hyphens.

There is a market for LLLL as tokens, at the lowest price level - now about $1000 for Chinese premium (no AEIOUV) and $150 for the rest. There are many levels above that where value comes out. Finding gems in the dust is part of the fun.

The Chinese are a real factor in LLLL.com domains, more than 60% of domains without AEIOUV are now in China, with even more owned by ex-pats. Watch the auctions: 456976 LLLL total and 200000 are CHIPs (China premium) but only about 10% of the domains at auction are CHIPs.

Why the Chinese dislike of the vowels?

I speak Mandarin at a basic level and don't get it.

Armageddon · May 23, 2018

whenpillarsfall said:
Why the Chinese dislike of the vowels?

I speak Mandarin at a basic level and don't get it.

Because of marketing in domain name business & who invented term "CHIP" aprox 3 year's ago
Nothing to do with reality or language - have to do with make money based on stupidity people or if you want sell garbage to chinese people ( refer to random " chip" LLLL ) . Anyway price's will down down down..now almost no one talk about "CHIP" chinese people are focus on manufacturing , slogan for 2025 is "Made in China" they are sponsored by China Government , no interesting to invest in domains

ultradog · May 23, 2018

If the 4L makes a word, or good possible brand word like the CVCV pattern tends to, obviously Chinese investors are going to value it pretty much as others do; they don’t dismiss vowels in those cases.

I believe the chips distinction -- at first -- was because LLLL domains were considered most useful as anagrams (useful for company names, which is a valuable category), and the language either doesn’t or seldom begins words with vowels. But it really is an arbitrary preference now, I think.

DnEbook · May 24, 2018

ultradog said:
If the 4L makes a word, or good possible brand word like the CVCV pattern tends to, obviously Chinese investors are going to value it pretty much as others do; they don’t dismiss vowels in those cases.

I believe the chips distinction -- at first -- was because LLLL domains were considered most useful as anagrams (useful for company names, which is a valuable category), and the language either doesn’t or seldom begins words with vowels. But it really is an arbitrary preference now, I think.

Do you mean acronyms ? If so it is true that "chips" make sense in that format

ultradog · May 26, 2018

DnEbook: Yes, thank you -- I meant acronyms, not anagrams. Stupid mistake of mine.

Randolph · May 26, 2018

The pricing is nonsense. Most names are nonsense.

Short isn't always better.

Andrew Knox · Jul 6, 2018

Randolph said:
The pricing is nonsense. Most names are nonsense.

Short isn't always better.

It isn't always better but it often is. Often enough that the market has decided that they are worth 20-80x reg fee

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