discuss WHOIS is disappearing

Isac · May 22, 2018

I got this email from sedo

On May 25, 2018, the General Data Protection Regulation will take effect. This means the WHOIS will “disappear”. In the new public record system, personal data will no longer be visible either to individuals or Sedo. So far we were able to verify from the WHOIS records that you are the legitimate owner of the domains you listed for sale. This means it will be much harder for us to match your account data with the WHOIS information in order to clear your domains for sale on our site.

The Solution: Our Owner Self-Verification. With the Owner Self-Verification, you can quickly prove your ownership of any domain you list for sale. Even on weekends and holidays!

How it will effect domain business ?

Jurgen Wolf · May 22, 2018

https://www.namepros.com/threads/whois-data-gone-in-usa-on-may-25-2018.1077839/

mr-x · May 22, 2018

Like all useless, un-needed laws, it will make everything harder, riskier and more expensive.

Huge mistake removing USA control of ICANN.

Ategy · May 22, 2018

mr-x said:
Like all useless, un-needed laws, it will make everything harder, riskier and more expensive.
Huge mistake removing USA control of ICANN.

The law in itself isn't useless .. how it is applied to domains and whois is an unfortunate side effect (to which they really should have made a deliberate exception given the already existing widespread availability of domain privacy).

Also .. the situation has absolutely nothing to do with who does or doesn't control ICANN .. it's a European law that applies to all companies doing business in Europe or with Europeans .. ultimately it's the Registries/Registrars that hold/share WhoIs data .. not ICANN ..

mr-x · May 22, 2018

All good points. Question was how will this affect the domain business.

DubDubDubDot · May 22, 2018

mr-x said:
All good points. Question was how will this affect the domain business.

The effect on the domaining industry will be significant. And frankly, I'm surprised this forum isn't going nuts over the issue.

Direct communication sales between buyer and seller that close using an escrow service become highly unlikely as potential buyers will have no way of contacting domain owners. It also bankrupts every anonymous negotiation platform since the platform will have no way of obtaining the contact info of the domain owner.

What it does is push damn near 100% of domaining activity into registrar-backed marketplaces and buyer agent services. This means sellers have no way around marketplace fees and buyers have to pay a fee just to ask an owner if they want to sell (and if they do, the buyer then has to pay an extra x% of the sale price).

This is really bad news for individual domainers who are already operating on the slimmest profits we have seen in the past 10-15 years.

WebInceptions · May 23, 2018

I first heard of thisTODAY!

Wow -- this will be a HUGE score for the criminals out there! Want to find out who is slandering you on a website, or ripped you off on a purchase? Well... NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

Criminals need their privacy!

How did this even get passed??

rickypham · May 23, 2018

I think whois privacy is enough

DubDubDubDot · May 23, 2018

rickypham said:
I think whois privacy is enough

The EU doesn't agree with you.

Of course, the EU are the ones who brought us the bane of the internet known as the "this site uses cookies" warning on every fucking website.

HotKey · May 23, 2018

How it will effect domain business ?

Landers with contact info?

DubDubDubDot said:
Direct communication sales between buyer and seller that close using an escrow service become highly unlikely as potential buyers will have no way of contacting domain owners. It also bankrupts every anonymous negotiation platform since the platform will have no way of obtaining the contact info of the domain owner.

Sedo has been using work-around for a while now that bypasses domain whois verification, which is by using a TXT entry in the domain's dns. The same could be implemented for other escrow platforms.

WebInceptions said:
Wow -- this will be a HUGE score for the criminals out there! Want to find out who is slandering you on a website, or ripped you off on a purchase? Well... NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

Deal with reputable sites/reputable people, ignore the slanderers.. there are other means to find out who someone is, if necessary. Chances are, if someone knows to hide themselves, they've already had domains under whois privacy anyways.

***

There should have been an opt-out option offered per registrar, similar to the 60 day lock on contact changes. Choice should be up to the domain owner. Wonder where this is headed, years down the road? Almost like a big lockdown. 10 years from now they'll be locking us out of domains that don't resolve..

Crysis · May 23, 2018

Well. GoDaddy will mask the whois of only EU residents. For people outside of EU, GoDaddy will continue to publish contact information like it always has.

WebInceptions · May 23, 2018

Crysis said:
Well. GoDaddy will mask the whois of only EU residents. For people outside of EU, GoDaddy will continue to publish contact information like it always has.

If this is true then AWESOME!

Crysis · May 23, 2018

WebInceptions said:
If this is true then AWESOME!

Yes. It is.
https://domainnamewire.com/2018/05/22/godaddy-will-continue-publishing-most-domain-owner-data/

learie · May 23, 2018

Not sure what all the "holubolu" about.? I need some more clarity on the issue.

kite26 · May 23, 2018

Bad news..

HotKey · May 24, 2018

If anything..maybe it will cut back the crap from the crapping crappers:

- Hi there, I can offer affordable website..
- Are you interested in website design?
- This is your final domain notice..
- I've got a similar name eg. RoosterPoop is almost like PooperJuice are you interested?
- Can we make a video for your site?
- Rank first on Google..

blah blah blah

Isac · May 24, 2018

HotKey said:
If anything..maybe it will cut back the crap from the crapping crappers:

- Hi there, I can offer affordable website..
- Are you interested in website design?
- This is your final domain notice..
- I've got a similar name eg. RoosterPoop is almost like PooperJuice are you interested?
- Can we make a video for your site?
- Rank first on Google..

blah blah blah

AuctionBio · May 25, 2018

Crysis said:
Well. GoDaddy will mask the whois of only EU residents. For people outside of EU, GoDaddy will continue to publish contact information like it always has.

I did not go through any readings, but checked godaddy whois that is still working here in UAE, but who.is not showing any thing,
If it is so, that it is still a great thing.

loredan · May 25, 2018

HotKey said:
If anything..maybe it will cut back the crap from the crapping crappers:

- Hi there, I can offer affordable website..
- Are you interested in website design?
- This is your final domain notice..
- I've got a similar name eg. RoosterPoop is almost like PooperJuice are you interested?
- Can we make a video for your site?
- Rank first on Google..

blah blah blah

Thank God for that! It's just 11 AM here in the UK and already received 3 phone calls from my indian friends:

Hello Siiirrrrrrr,
My name is Umpa Lumpa from InfoTec Pvt Ltd LLC, MML, PPL, ETC India
I call in regards with your domain name, blah, blah
Me: Yeah, what's wrong with it?
Him: Nothing wrong Siiirrrrr, we can build a website!
Me: Don't need it, I'm a web developer myself.
Him: What about an app?
Me: Don't need, thanks!
Him: What about SEO so your domain can rank high in Google?
Me: But I don't have a website for the domain yet!
Him: No worries Siirrrr, we build website.
Me: I said I don't need a website!
Him: Ok Siiirrr, how about social media?
Me: What about social media?
Him: We build you Fb and Twitter accounts and manage them.
Me: No thanks, I only need a cow!
Him: Sorry Siirrrr?
Me: I only need a cow
Him: A cow Sirrr?
Me: Yeah and an elephant
Him: ...silence
Me: Could you please stop calling me?
Him: Yes Siiirrrr, no worries!

...30-40 minutes later the phone rings again ... Hellooo Siiirrrr !

Kate · May 25, 2018

Much ado about nothing.
Many ccTLDs already have restricted whois. Example: .ca. Who is complaining ?

boziffous · May 25, 2018

I'm already experiencing an issue with buyers trying to transfer domains out as my buyer this morning tried to transfer two domains, one from GoDaddy and one from EnomCentral, to Uniregistry but it told him there was a problem getting data from WHOIS.

rickypham · May 25, 2018

boziffous said:
I'm already experiencing an issue with buyers trying to transfer domains out as my buyer this morning tried to transfer two domains, one from GoDaddy and one from EnomCentral, to Uniregistry but it told him there was a problem getting data from WHOIS.

And how about now?

Andrew Knox · May 28, 2018

loredan said:
Thank God for that! It's just 11 AM here in the UK and already received 3 phone calls from my indian friends:

Hello Siiirrrrrrr,
My name is Umpa Lumpa from InfoTec Pvt Ltd LLC, MML, PPL, ETC India
I call in regards with your domain name, blah, blah
Me: Yeah, what's wrong with it?
Him: Nothing wrong Siiirrrrr, we can build a website!
Me: Don't need it, I'm a web developer myself.
Him: What about an app?
Me: Don't need, thanks!
Him: What about SEO so your domain can rank high in Google?
Me: But I don't have a website for the domain yet!
Him: No worries Siirrrr, we build website.
Me: I said I don't need a website!
Him: Ok Siiirrr, how about social media?
Me: What about social media?
Him: We build you Fb and Twitter accounts and manage them.
Me: No thanks, I only need a cow!
Him: Sorry Siirrrr?
Me: I only need a cow
Him: A cow Sirrr?
Me: Yeah and an elephant
Him: ...silence
Me: Could you please stop calling me?
Him: Yes Siiirrrr, no worries!

...30-40 minutes later the phone rings again ... Hellooo Siiirrrr !

I'm on the fence. The calls are annoying (I've had 10+ a day sometimes) but so is the effort of adding TXT records etc to list on marketplaces :/

namemarket · May 28, 2018

This new hidden Whois data is very significant news and is sure to make it much harder for buyers to contact us and sharply reduce number of inquiries as so many in the past come via Whois info.

Someone mentioned since Registrant Organization still shows in new Whois that field can somehow be used for contact purposes such as adding phone number or email, etc. However I believe (but not positive) changing Registrant data may in-effect possibly modify registration date (especially in a UDRP case) and also may set a new 60-day lock. Both of those are big negatives if valid but not sure about it being the case.

boziffous · May 28, 2018

rickypham said:
And how about now?

It seemed to start working later on that day.

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