status-resolved Which chat rule did I break?

WingMan · May 21, 2018

Recently, I posted on chat whether members thought $7K was a good price for a particular domain name (see attachment). This is NOT my domain name. I wasn't trying to sell a domain name to anybody. I was just commenting on a domain name that had already SOLD. You may check up namebio.com for more details.

However, yesterday, a WHOLE SEVEN days after my post, I get a message from @Amanda saying I have been restricted from chat, saying "Domain are not allowed in the chat room outside of the allowed days". I just checked the chat rules again, and I don't see this particular bit mentioned anywhere. Or at least, not from the way I understand what the rules are saying.

Other than domain names, what are members supposed to chat about on a domain website? I believe rules are there to stop abuse and protect other members, but I honestly don't know what banning me for this comment achieves here. If I had asked whether members thought insurance.com was worth $35M or whether they thought Fund.com was worth $10M in the chat section, will this also get me a ban? Seriously? What for? What does this achieve?

If this is indeed the rule, then it's too severe in my opinion and doesn't really serve any practical purpose. I have been banned for good reason in the past, but this time around, it just looks harsh and unfair, especially coming so long after the supposed infraction. Happy to hear from @Amanda for more clarification though.

LucidDomains · May 21, 2018

Yes seems like a wrongful action from what you provided. Will wait to see what the moderator says. I don't use the chat myself, but not allowing domain discussions on a domaining forum seems pretty messed up.

Dave · May 21, 2018

Another daft Namepros rule. I received similar warnings for just wanting to discuss a particular domain name that I didn't even own.

Hey guys, best not to discuss domain names in the chat room of this domain forum/community.

I mean really? I agree with not selling or spamming sales outside the designated time frame, but discussing domains in general at any time should be allowed.

MapleDots · May 22, 2018

Rule should be no selling domains in chat and maybe don't talk about ones you own.

Talking about other domains or questions seems legit to me.

Unless of course you would rather talk about what the weather is in your neck of the woods

I have to say I agree with the OP on this one. I also think it was pretty childish for someone to report that.

Axc · May 22, 2018

Does seem absurd for a site with the tagline Buy,Sell,Discuss Domain Names

johname · May 22, 2018

You can only sell domains in chat when the 'light' is green

Roughly if it is the weekend anywhere in the word the 'light' switches from gray to green.

At this moment its not the weekend so no selling in chat

Something you did made someone think it was selling in chat

My guess is you broke the no appraisal rule

Amanda · May 22, 2018

Hello,

The actual post removed was "Is meez.com worth $7000 USD?". It appears to be asking for an appraisal and that is why the restriction was issued. This was posted outside of the allowed days to request an appraisal in the chat room and it was your 5th reported issue in the chat room.

Asking for an appraisal on a domain name, whether you own it or not, is not allowed in the chat room outside of the allowed days. A report was made regarding your post and after I was able to check the chat logs it appears to be an appraisal since you're asking about the value of the domain.

I apologize for the delay in resolving this report since we had issues with retrieving the chat logs this week.

I hope this helps.

LucidDomains · May 22, 2018

No appraisals in chats.... Who comes up with this stuff. You are a frickin domaining forum. Let people talk about domains and ask whatever they want. I get no selling in chat on certain days, but no appraisals? That's just silly to me. Whoever comes up with these rules should dial it back a bit imo.

Not to mention in this case, the OP could be asking in the way "Is meez.com really worth $7000 USD?". Not as an appraisal but more as a discussion starter. A clear appraisal would be "Can someone value my domain meez.com?".

In fact, I have never seen someone ask an appraisal "Is <domain> worth X dollars?"

WingMan · May 22, 2018

@Amanda Thanks for the clarifications.

1. I am aware of the appraisal rules. I wasn't looking for an appraisal. I just wanted to discuss (probably) one of the highest selling 4L domain names on that day. Many members are familiar with the top performing names on a given day and would have known what I was talking about.

2. In any case, I wasn't banned for an appraisal violation. Your message to me mentioned nothing of the sort.

3. This particular domain sold on May 13 for $7000 USD. I made the comment on May 14. If this was a pre-purchase appraisal, you don't think the buyer will be willing to sell it for the same exact price they bought it the very next day do you? This was neither a pre-purchase appraisal nor an appraisal for a domain name I own.

4. Anyone ready to spend $7000 USD on a domain name probably doesn't need to ask anyone for an appraisal.

5. Maybe it's my English and I should have asked "domain sold for $7000 USD, is it really worth that"? Is this also a violation?

6. Would it also be a violation if I had asked "Is insurance.com worth $35m?" as well? I think your answer to this will be helpful to other members who are reading this thread.

I am aware you're simply following the @NamePros rules yourself as a moderator. However, if this particular ban makes the chat section safer and more enjoyable for all, then I can have no complaints.

Peace.

Bravo Mod Team · May 22, 2018

LucidDomains said:
No appraisals in chats....

Appraisals, buying, selling, etc. are only allowed on the weekends, because the chatroom would be filled with them otherwise and interfere with chatting. There are also forums on NamePros for all of those things, so they do not need to take place in the chatroom, but it has been working well to allow them on the weekends.

WingMan said:
@Amanda Thanks for the clarifications.

1. I am aware of the appraisal rules. I wasn't looking for an appraisal. I just wanted to discuss (probably) one of the highest selling 4L domain names on that day. Many members are familiar with the top performing names on a given day and would have known what I was talking about.

2. In any case, I wasn't banned for an appraisal violation. Your message to me mentioned nothing of the sort.

3. This particular domain sold on May 13 for $7000 USD. I made the comment on May 14. If this was a pre-purchase appraisal, you don't think the buyer will be willing to sell it for the same exact price they bought it the very next day do you? This was neither a pre-purchase appraisal nor an appraisal for a domain name I own.

4. Anyone ready to spend $7000 USD on a domain name probably doesn't need to ask anyone for an appraisal.

5. Maybe it's my English and I should have asked "domain sold for $7000 USD, is it really worth that"? Is this also a violation?

6. Would it also be a violation if I had asked "Is insurance.com worth $35m?" as well? I think your answer to this will be helpful to other members who are reading this thread.

I am aware you're simply following the @NamePros rules yourself as a moderator. However, if this particular ban makes the chat section safer and more enjoyable for all, then I can have no complaints.

Peace.

Thanks for bringing up these points and giving us an opportunity to discuss them (responses are in order):

That is allowed. However, keep in mind that we can't know which domains are yours or whether you're asking for an appraisal on behalf of someone else. It's a judgement call based on your writing, context, track record (history of rule violations), etc., and in this case, your writing came across as an appraisal request.
The warning templates are generic. If you have questions or would like to request additional information, you may reply to the direct message.
See responses #1 and #5.
See responses #1 and #5.
That phrasing would likely have avoided the issue entirely.
See response #1.

Lastly, please keep in mind that you were reported by one or more of your peers. Their interpretation of your message/intentions were the same as the moderator that handled the report. Members rarely (possibly never) report rule violations that they do not agree with themselves.

We hope that helps.

LucidDomains · May 23, 2018

Probably best to avoid talking about domains entirely during weekdays.

james haw · Jun 7, 2018

Appraisals on certain days, sell on certain days, chat on other certain days?
I've said it before, and will say it again... just have more than one chat room. 1 for buyers/sellers continuous, 1 for appraisals continuous, and 1 for people to chat freely about anything other than request an appraisal or try to buy/sell.

The latter means chat is literally always that - like-minded domain folk chatting away without sales or appraisals noise.

Otherwise some days people wanting to chat cannot do it for sales/appraisal noise, and vice versa.

That said, maybe sales and appraisals in chat is simply not working? "chat" being the keyword, and there is already the appraisal forum and plethora of sales forums.

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