discuss [Resolved] Domainer Loses $26k On A Stolen Domain!

Silentptnr · Mar 5, 2018

Darn! Another scam and this time it is an experienced domainer James Booth.

James must have thought he was making a sound acquisition as he transferred approximately 26k to escrow for CQD.com. Instead, after completing the escrow, the domain was taken from his account by the registrar without notification and returned to the "true" owner.

Turns out the person that sold him the domain CQD.com, may not have been the true owner.

Apparently this incident involves several parties including the registrar and the escrow.

Thanks to Theo over at DomainGang for the tip on this.

anantj · Apr 26, 2018

spoiltrider said:
it appears that james booth did NOT JUST voluntarily give back my domain.
Q. Would he have done it without the letter from Web.com?
A. I will never know.

I only know this. I did not authorize the sale of my domain, but i am very happy to have it back.

And...Web.com/Network Solutions...well they did the right and they got it back (not without the help from Grilled and my constant bitching and crying.)

So...i'm not so sure how i feel about my ripoff report updates now...

CAVEAT EMPTOR!

"On Apr 25, 2018, at 11:31 AM, web.com wrote:

Dear Ms. Burns,

After a thorough investigation, careful review, and consultation with our internal teams, we have concluded that the transfer of CQD.COM from your account was indeed unauthorized and illegal. As such, we have restored the domain back to your account and have placed an administrative lock on the domain to ensure that no other changes can be made without proper authorization.

We apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced while the matter was being investigated. As a customer service gesture, and to ensure that your domain remains safe, we would like to extend to you a one (1) year term of our WebLock services which adds several layers of protection against unwanted actions on your domain (for more information about Weblock. If you would like to accept this offer, please respond to this email and we will work with you to setup the service.

We have advised the other party involved that the transfer of CQD.COM was not properly authorized by you, the Registrant, and the sale of the domain name was illegal (i.e. - purchasing stolen goods is illegal). Please note that Web.com will not be a party to any litigation that may arise from any disputes with regard to the unauthorized transfer and illegal sale of the domain CQD.COM; however we will comply with a court order or an order from a competent tribunal.

Thank you,

Web.com"

Congratulations and good result for you. Now get your domain the out of Network Solutions like a bat out of hell. I'd suggest Namesilo or Epik (Make sure you also enable whois privacy and 2FA for your accounts and e-mail). Also move away from Yahoo Mail.

offthehandle · Apr 26, 2018

spoiltrider said:
We have advised the other party involved that the transfer of CQD.COM was not properly authorized by you, the Registrant, and the sale of the domain name was illegal (i.e. - purchasing stolen goods is illegal).

I am confused. So NetSol is stating in writing a crime was committed not only by the thief?

spoiltrider said:
Grilled saved CQD from the sales market! he is my saving angel! i am so happy he presented himself to me. i hope to meet him someday.

You might seriously consider sending him a nice monetary donation via Fed Ex to show your appreciation!

alcy · Apr 26, 2018

anantj said:
Congratulations and good result for you. Now get your domain the out of Network Solutions like a bat out of hell. I'd suggest Namesilo or Epik (Make sure you also enable whois privacy and 2FA for your accounts and e-mail). Also move away from Yahoo Mail.

well they said they locked it real good, so it doesn't look its going anywhere fast

MapleDots · Apr 26, 2018

spoiltrider said:
bwahaha.( i'm not up on the bacon thing )... LOL

OMG.... you missed an insane post

Hunt it down.... pretend you are doing some grilling and you will find it.

I am very happy to know it worked out for you but at the same time I am sad that a fellow domainer lost his money. It was a good outcome but it would have been great if both members recovered their property and funds.

Addison · Apr 26, 2018

spoiltrider said:
it appears that james booth did NOT JUST voluntarily give back my domain.

The twists and turns keep coming...

DNWon said:
Just don't let him cook you any bacon!

spoiltrider said:
bwahaha.( i'm not up on the bacon thing )... LOL

MapleDots said:
Hunt it down....

Burnt bacon is good but grilled bacon is better:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/burned-or-grilled.1027773/

anantj · Apr 26, 2018

alcy said:
well they said they locked it real good, so it doesn't look its going anywhere fast

Trusting NetSol is just poor choice imo. Irrespective of whatever they claim. And the locking is against transfers without proper authorization. What does proper authorization mean and more importantly, considering it is NetSol, what weight does it even hold? I'd absolutely NOT trust NetSol no matter what!

MapleDots · Apr 26, 2018

anantj said:
Trusting NetSol is just poor choice imo. Irrespective of whatever they claim. And the locking is against transfers without proper authorization. What does proper authorization mean and more importantly, considering it is NetSol, what weight does it even hold? I'd absolutely NOT trust NetSol no matter what!

What I can't understand about netsol is I was not able to get my domain out. It was like pulling teeth and I swore I would never deal with them again because of it.

Funny..... now when it comes to stolen domains they seem to let them slide through fairly easily

anantj · Apr 26, 2018

MapleDots said:
What I can't understand about netsol is I was not able to get my domain out. It was like pulling teeth and I swore I would never deal with them again because of it.

Funny..... now when it comes to stolen domains they seem to let them slide through fairly easily

Yup. Ironic isn't it!

GeorgeK · Apr 26, 2018

Rebecca should double-check what the fees for the WebLock service are going to be after the first free year. According to the article at:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...nto-its-1850year-domain-protection-plan.shtml

from 2014, the fees were a whopping $1,850/yr!! I couldn't find a current price on their website at:

http://weblock.web.com/

Arca · Apr 26, 2018

GeorgeK said:
Rebecca should double-check what the fees for the WebLock service are going to be after the first free year. According to the article at:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...nto-its-1850year-domain-protection-plan.shtml

from 2014, the fees were a whopping $1,850/yr!! I couldn't find a current price on their website at:

http://weblock.web.com/

According to that link it's $1350 for each subsequent year after the initial $1850 fee for the first year (which Network Solutions have offered to waive for her). Considering how they allowed transfers that were not "properly authorized" to take place they should have offered lifetime use of the service for free, and not use it as an opportunity to make $1350 in case she forgets to opt out after the first year.

If they do have the ability to stop domain theft, why not stop domain theft for free as part of their basic service as a registrar, instead of letting so many domains leave their accounts without the registrants authorization? There should be no need for registrants to pay $1350 a year to not have their domain stolen.

Looks like epik.com offer something similar for free.

MapleDots · Apr 27, 2018

Arca said:
According to that link it's $1350 for each subsequent year after the initial $1850 fee for the first year (which Network Solutions have offered to waive for her). Considering how they allowed transfers that were not "properly authorized" to take place they should have offered lifetime use of the service for free, and not use it as an opportunity to make $1350 in case she forgets to opt out after the first year.

Stupid money..... you have the ability to secure your domain by yourself. Also your account tells you how many domains are in it, I check mine daily to do a domain count. I have all the security but because I have so many domains it is important to compare your spreadsheet to your registrar to see how many are there. Time is always of the essence. If I log in to my registrar the first thing I do is look at the domain count.

spoiltrider · Apr 27, 2018

Arca said:
@spoiltrider - First step you should take now is to move the domain away from network solutions to a more secure and reliable domain registrar.

Set up a new account with namesilo.com or dynadot.com or epik.com and set up account security features properly.

Transfer cqd.com from network solutions to your new registrar account.

Renew the domain for 10 years. It costs you less than $100. Activate WHOIS privacy.

Stop using yahoo mail. More than 1 billion of their email accounts have been hacked. It's one of the least secure email providers out there. Switch to better free email service like gmail or a paid email service like protonmail, runbox, fastmail.

Learn how to use 2 factor authentication and use it to secure your registrar account and your email account.

this post is of huge value to me.
i respect what you guys (and gals) do. and i really appreciate the input.
thank you!!

spoiltrider · Apr 28, 2018

@BoothDomains

please remove my CQD.com domain from your web site as
"Here are some of our recent sales :"
because it certainly was not!

https://www.bqdn.com/sales

carob · Apr 28, 2018

spoiltrider said:
@BoothDomains

please remove my CQD.com domain from your web site as
"Here are some of our recent sales :"
because it certainly was not!

https://www.bqdn.com/sales

Or maybe NetworkSolutions bought it back off him to cover their a$$ and end the story.

And then forgot to include an NDA.

creataweb · Apr 28, 2018

Congrats on getting your domain back @spoiltrider

spoiltrider · May 3, 2018

@Jackson Elsegood regarding your escrow.com money transferring (laundering?) platform.

JACK you need to MAN up and explain to me and everyone else here
1. how your company could let this FUBAR situation ever happen,
2. divulge who the thief is and stop with the game playing.

are you the JACK in the email? the friend of booth?

i am moving forward with investigative work against/about your company, and i will also advertise nationally and globally - negatively - what your company did to me AND my now dead horse!
I am still pissed as hell over this! what kind of film flam business are you running anyway?
i am not finished yet. i want the thief exposed, in prison and paying restitution.
or would you prefer that burden on you and your company?

i'm not sleeping well, and i will make damn sure you don't either!

trust this, mug shots don't look as good as the pic attached here, and there ain't no tan blond chicks serving you wine on the inside either.

i suggest you answer me in a timely manner.

MapleDots · May 3, 2018

spoiltrider said:
@Jackson Elsegood regarding your escrow.com money transferring (laundering?) platform.

JACK you need to MAN up and explain to me and everyone else here
1. how your company could let this FUBAR situation ever happen,
2. divulge who the thief is and stop with the game playing.

are you the JACK in the email? the friend of booth?

i am moving forward with investigative work against/about your company, and i will also advertise nationally and globally - negatively - what your company did to me AND my now dead horse!
I am still pissed as hell over this! what kind of film flam business are you running anyway?
i am not finished yet. i want the thief exposed, in prison and paying restitution.
or would you prefer that burden on you and your company?

i'm not sleeping well, and i will make damn sure you don't either!

trust this, mug shots don't look as good as the pic attached here, and there ain't no tan blond chicks serving you wine on the inside either.

i suggest you answer me in a timely manner.

Oh Oh..... I'd hat to be this guy right about now.

TheLegendaryJP · May 3, 2018

Let's settle down a moment shall we.

@spoiltrider, firstly you should be sleeping very well and be very happy, you dodged a $25k+ bullet in legal fee's and got your name back.

Secondly is escrow.com liable for not following their policy on pay out's? Perhaps and would they divulging the individuals name they paid help greatly, absolutely.

In saying that however and again out of frustration you need to take a breath and consider your accusation carefully. I highly suggest you edit the post above removing the personal accusations against Jack Elsegood. Be mad and frustrated at Escrow, sure but as far as we know and remember we act on fact, he is not personally involved per say.

I am not defending escrow just merely stating the old catch more flies with honey goes farther and before we personally assume anything we regret we should consider the consequences of our actions.

You got the name back, sure it was frustrating but we all worked together and saw it through to success, enjoy that and hopefully escrow works with Booth now to find the thief. If Booth isn't on here slinging accusations against escrow I suggest you do not either. If guilty of anything atm it is simply being unhelpful and a sloppy pay out that may have gone against policy.

jmo

spoiltrider · May 3, 2018

ok. soooooooo
early this morning, like 6AM florida time, i decided to re-create my email forward from my [email protected](1996-2006) to [email protected] (2006-present) in my hosting account since it was disabled and the [email protected] had but his email as a forward.

at 8:29am i called my horse vet to discuss some stuff with her. all of the sudden my phone starts blowing up, every minute a call came in from Romania, Algeria, Taiwan, Morocco, No Caller ID, etc. for 10 mins this went on.
i did NOT answer the phone.

AT the same time my [email protected] email (which i've been using again since April 24th) started receiving emails....i am now up to 2,747 emails with a steady stream coming in.

would this be SABOTAGE?
these emails would not have "sat" out there as long as this ordeal has been going on...right?

i have placed a spam filter on my account and it seems to be slowing down now....

spoiltrider · May 3, 2018

TheLegendaryJP said:
Let's settle down a moment shall we.

@spoiltrider, firstly you should be sleeping very well and be very happy, you dodged a $25k+ bullet in legal fee's and got your name back.

Secondly is escrow.com liable for not following their policy on pay out's? Perhaps and would they divulging the individuals name they paid help greatly, absolutely.

In saying that however and again out of frustration you need to take a breath and consider your accusation carefully. I highly suggest you edit the post above removing the personal accusations against Jack Elsegood. Be mad and frustrated at Escrow, sure but as far as we know and remember we act on fact, he is not personally involved per say.

I am not defending escrow just merely stating the old catch more flies with honey goes farther and before we personally assume anything we regret we should consider the consequences of our actions.

You got the name back, sure it was frustrating but we all worked together and saw it through to success, enjoy that and hopefully escrow works with Booth now to find the thief. If Booth isn't on here slinging accusations against escrow I suggest you do not either. If guilty of anything atm it is simply being unhelpful and a sloppy pay out that may have gone against policy.

jmo

i have requested that he contact me in private to discuss the matter. something that i would do as a business owner, at the very least. but...nothing. and i am thankful. i am joyful that i got my domain back. but honestly, this ruined me. i am no longer a trusting person. i now look at all people differently. i certainly do not have the trust factor that was built into me anymore. that was stripped away from me, and i hate it!

TheLegendaryJP · May 3, 2018

Requesting contact is fine but your post above making accusations against Jack personally is not ok, imo. Do what you wish of course but this is my advice. Edit that post's personal accusations and pic against Jack. Email him directly, reach out, if no reply take the legal road if you desire. You will not shame him or escrow into giving you the sellers pay out info, sorry but you have gotten farther than most in recovering the name with no legal fee's. From here on out, lawyer. You are only now digging a hole with no up side and a potential down side.

Again, jmo.

spoiltrider · May 3, 2018

TheLegendaryJP said:
Requesting contact is fine but your post above making accusations against Jack personally is not ok, imo. Do what you wish of course but this is my advice. Edit that post's personal accusations and pic against Jack. Email him directly, reach out, if no reply take the legal road if you desire. You will not shame him or escrow into giving you the sellers pay out info, sorry but you have gotten farther than most in recovering the name with no legal fee's. From here on out, lawyer. You are only now digging a hole with no up side and a potential down side.

Again, jmo.

and thank you. i am appreciative and i listen and hear.
i am a reactionary and emotional person without this hazwaste going on in my life.
i can't edit it now. and i don't see an "accusation"...i see my questions. i see my requests. am i not allowed to make a fuss or go to bat for my cause, or has the legal system put giant zippers on all our mouths?

i am sorry, i don't want to come off as rude or challenge you, i appreciate your advice, and if i could change the post, i probably would so it's not "accusation"...it's too old to do so now.

however, i feel i am entitled to know everything about what has reaked havoc on my life and business both financially and emotionally blah blah blah. i do feel angry and chided-- and this is not "me". now its a before and after the theft of CQD.com as far and my attitude goes.

i want to know. i feel like fighting. i am sick of the BS that continues with this whole amazingly miserable, pitiful chain of events.

oppps....phone is blowing up again with international and no caller id calls, one after another. i see a trend here...

thank you. i really do appreciate the input here. truly.

winst · May 3, 2018

spoiltrider said:
@Jackson Elsegood regarding your escrow.com money transferring (laundering?) platform.

JACK you need to MAN up and explain to me and everyone else here
1. how your company could let this FUBAR situation ever happen,
2. divulge who the thief is and stop with the game playing.

i suggest you answer me in a timely manner.

Wait just a minute. I'm not associated with any of the parties. But @spoiltrider I think you jump too quick into conclusions again. Escrow.com is reputable company, I have been using escrow.com for years without any problems and I generally agree with their services and steps.

It is just an online Escrow company and there are regulations and steps behind it to make it work. Maybe escrow.com could use more "sensors" to detect fraud for your specific situation, but even at a bank, people could use faked drivers license and clean up your checking account.

The lesson here is that don't assume you are not a target for hackers or you don't need a strong password. The hacker(s) probably had access not just your email and domain name, he/she/they probably had access to a lot of other things. Make sure you check your credit reports and make sure there are no new loans or new checking accounts in your name.

BTW, Jackson Elsegood is the the General Manager of Escrow.com and he has over 100 employees. I don't think he is the same "Jack" associated with James Booth. Jackson does not "OWN" Escrow.com

Kate · May 3, 2018

I am happy that Rebecca got her domain back, much faster than expected. But I am not sure this is the end of the story, because the 'rendition' of the domain name was not voluntary.

offthehandle · May 3, 2018

Kate said:
I am happy that Rebecca got her domain back, much faster than expected. But I am not sure this is the end of the story, because the 'rendition' of the domain name was not voluntary.

offthehandle said:
I am confused. So NetSol is stating in writing a crime was committed not only by the thief?

You might seriously consider sending him a nice monetary donation via Fed Ex to show your appreciation!

Last evidence and facts I see posted here were @Grilled notes.

Curious, if you can comment? Do you have some new information? No answer to my earlier question.

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