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news Whois data GONE in USA on May 25, 2018

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Yet privacy rights were not the issue raised in the discussion convened by the IPC/BC on their proposed model for 'accreditation' to access Whois data. Instead, last Friday, we heard - yet again - how to give unlimited access to Whois data to any law enforcement, any cybersecurity firm, any trademark owner; basically to anyone who seeks it. The potential that journalists might use the non-public WHOIS data was recognized and credited; the potential that journalists might be the subject of a fishing expedition by a government or individual they criticized in a publication was not. The IPC/BC lawyers heading the meeting then heard that the GDRP rejects unlimited access to data — and they, in turn, unilaterally rejected the interpretation and advice of the legal advisor to ICANN, in the Hamilton Memo (#3). They told 150 people listening to the meeting that ICANN could give unlimited access to non-public Whois data to those the IPC/BC chose in their accreditation model.

We need real community consultation and on neutral ground — at ICANN — where we can again discuss what the law requires and what real compliance involves. Most importantly, we need to stop talking about who wants access to domain name data and start talking about how to respect the privacy rights of registrants. On this day of all days, on this week of all weeks, it's time for ICANN to be on the right side of law, the right side of principle and the right side of history. We hold the personal and sensitive data of almost 200 million domain name registrants. Today we must recognize that the privacy of this data could be the difference between protection and suppression.
 
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I wasn’t talking about spam TO domain owners - that will decrease.

I meant that TOTAL SPAM will go down once WHOIS goes private.
 
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I thought authorized personnel would either have access to a) the WHOIS data or b) a masked/encrypted contact form.
I know law enforcement will, don't know where they draw the line at "authorized personnel."
 
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Bad, as it will hurt domainers. Less inbound inquiries (for good domain names) via whois.

You don't force privacy on people, unless there are other hidden agendas we might not be aware of. I think registrants should be given the opt-in/out whether to allow public access to their domain whois data. Another option is to make whois privacy service free of charge - like many hosting companies are now doing with SSL certificates.
 
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I meant that TOTAL SPAM will go down once WHOIS goes private.

NOPE!
It may only be more expensive to spam. There are other ways (many other ways) of illegal data mining. Closing the door to WHOIS automatically opens other "alternative" doors.
 
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It may only be more expensive to spam. There are other ways (many other ways) of illegal data mining. Closing the door to WHOIS automatically opens other "alternative" doors.

Of course there is, but it cuts down a lot on the numbers, as free data access always brings the crowds.

Like a home alarm system is just supposed to stop 99.99% of stupid thieves, not Danny Ocean's gang.
 
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So how would one actually provide ownership proof for a domain if a buyer asks for the same? This sucks business wise for inbound inquiries as well which I have been getting some of lately..
 
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SPAM is not the reason this is being done, and over the past few years there has been a wave of African scammers using WHOIS data to steal a lot of $$$. SPAM is a bother, but someone rich and influential looking in their bank and finding it empty or checking their registrar account and seeing all their LL and LLL.COM domains gone will get serious political attention, as well it should.

I think the rich kids with those LL & LLL.COM should not be treated any differently than the Joe Blow with a 3 word .com which they use for their daily business or pleasure. As well it should, should apply to all evenly.
 
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Because EU citizens are required to have protection no matter where they live, and it would be a nightmare trying to track down everyone in the world who has dual/multi-citizenship to an EU nation.There is no "opt out" option for an EU citizen living in the US.

I'm going to change my citizenship..... O. I forgot. we're leaving :)
 
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So how would one actually provide ownership proof for a domain if a buyer asks for the same? This sucks business wise for inbound inquiries as well which I have been getting some of lately..

You can show them a picture of the domain in your registrar account.
 
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One could just make live changes to displayed core or otherwise administrative files/text data, or perhaps the issue is that people do not want to have to actually host a space to display their ownership of a domain?
Not to sound offputting, but I feel it is a small demand (one that should probably already be met) that if you wish to sell a domain for a (usually large, as everyone always talking about) profit then you should also be prepared to use traditional means of verification to show it belongs to you, or that you are genuinely acting on behalf of the owner. Long before the hustle and bustle of selling raw domain names there was the original, and still currently, intended purpose for such sales: websites.

It's kinda like: Want to sell land for developed land prices yet do not want to have the slightest understanding of what goes into developing land? Desire to draw Park Place revenue like you have 4 hotels on it but you still haven't even got the Boardwalk, much less understand the costs associated with such?
Do you typically buy specialty items from a seller who doesn't even know what company they were made by, which materials it is made from, and where to trace its point of origin?
Or how can you expect to sell something door-to-door when you don't even understand common courtesy or how a doorbell works, ya dig?

IMHO too many people that have too much extra cash have been roaming around (ab)using their social sway and influence to profit off of companies that didn't understand what enduser possibilities truly are, or what was being offered fully, and then by falsely inflating certain "land values" (with private trading, expensive marketing, casting shade in the form of untrue negative reports about competitors 'not in the club' given to potential customers) on the internet they have caused an extreme level of distrust among the common consumer.
And with all the negative connotations brought about by scammers, dishonest sellers, and then the borderline or actual spammy tactics employed by pretty much all of the domaining community (in one sense or another) we now see new restrictions in place, which are all aftereffects of influence by people whose business sense is based primarily around thoughts for their own personal profit margins and not for quality product assurance, or even for just simply having the customer's best interests at heart.

Now we are seeing more attention on internet security in general, and hopefully will continue to see a much more cautious and slow-to-go approach being made by endusers, site owners, and new/old people who wish to be involved with the buying/selling of domains and websites, along with everyone in general!

-Professor Domain
 
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For ownership verity:
I would like to receive an email using the domain and then escrow service. Though if the seller is trusted namepros member like xynames, silentptnr, mapledots and many well known members I think even escrow is not required for most of the transactions.

For outbound:
It will be difficult if using who is email. (please focus on this area)

For inbound:
We need to depend on service like Afternic, Undeveloped etc.
 
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It would be better if this privacy thing is optional . Example, Yes No button for privacy option.
 
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Looks like gowebby is going out of business
 
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I am very sure there will be a way out of it
 
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It is even better for me as a Nigerian; no body will be looking at my profiles and discriminate anymore
 
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It is even better for me as a Nigerian; no body will be looking at my profiles and discriminate anymore
lol bro,how would you reach end users?
 
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lol bro,how would you reach end users?
One way closes another one opens; world will never end. Wait and see what will happen, we have expirienced many obstacles in domaining and there were always way out of them all.

Cheers World will not end.
 
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great..
no more search domain registration and crap web design services
 
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lol bro,how would you reach end users?
iinbound, info@domain, contact form,mailtester = a lot of work there, hunter and clearbit might help.

the big downside to this is that we might not be able to check the rightful owner of a domain name .
 
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Does Whois give you the actual real person to meet for negotiations? 80% No! There are ways you get across to the CEO and Marketing Personnel without using WHOIS before now and such channels are still there.
 
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Ensuring you have a way to be contacted from your domains is a good step for people to take if they want to be able to be reached by users typing a domain in directly.
 
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