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I thought I was smart, it was like an aha moment, like when that guy bought 12,150 cups of chocolate pudding and earned 1.25 Million Air Miles. This was back in June 2016 and .xyz domain name extension was having a sale at Uniregistry and every .xyz domain name that was available to register would cost $0.01, one penny. I spent the next two nights scanning and compiling lists of domain names that I could add to my cart, at that time, the site could roughly only handle about roughly 500 registration per session, so on it went adding domain names 500 at a time to my account. Most of the domain names I registered, I would say 80% of them were just purely number combinations, during that time such as 0000011.xyz and 0000012.xyz, also I registered thousands of high-value keywords in the car, insurance, legal, addiction, mortgage and real estate industries. The Chinese domain market was hot for number domain names and 4-letter .com domain names at that time. I also thought it was pretty cool to see in the next couple days that I had over 20,000 domain names in my account. With great power comes great responsibility, I must have quoted those lines quite a few times to myself, I mean in general, when you have that many names, surely some sort of traffic would come along, via type-ins or bots, there was one way to test it out. I asked my friend Andre who had a blog and small online store selling art, pictures of guitars as clocks if I could test and send traffic to him as he had Google analytics. The next day he told me to stop redirecting my names because his service provider was going to charge him more for the influx of traffic. So it is true, it works. With great power comes great responsibility.

I set the names back to their default name servers and did a bulk edit where I priced every name for sale at $300 USD each. I was going to be rich! I got maybe two enquiries in the coming months and put it at the back of my mind and carried on the day to day work. The one enquiry was someone confused and the other one was a real person, they wanted a domain name I had registered for $0.01. The name was somnambulist.xyz, I don't even remember the name or registering it. Turns out the definition of somnambulant. 1 : walking or having the habit of walking while asleep. You learn something or about something every day when you are in the domain industry. Anyways an email went out to the potential buyer quoting them $2,000 USD minimum and the came back and laughed on email. I sent an email saying that was sent in error and the price was actually $300, they could not see the value and suggested the name might be worth $3 bucks if being generous. I held firm on my $300 USD asking price, I mean I did pay around $200 for all 20,000 domain names so I really just wanted to sell one and make a profit. That never happened, almost a year went by and I had to make sure all the .xyz were on auto renew off as the renewal price for around $12.88 USD each, I knew this going into this and a few clicks and sorting out bulk domain edits I was going to let them all lapse. If you really wanted to renew 20,000 .xyz names it would of the cost you in the region of $250,000 USD!

One thing I will strongly suggest is not to register domain names blindly or in bulk like I did, unless you curate every single name you register, you can get into trouble with the law in the form of a URS (Uniform Rapid Suspension System) and or UDRP (Uniform Domain Name Resolution Policy) and they will be a headache, cost you money and damage your reputation forever online. I did not get into any trouble registering all the .xyz names, but I could of and that would have been a stupid mistake to make in hindsight. .xyz is still one of my favorite extensions, they have good marketing and brand awareness. I just won't be registering 20,000 names anytime soon.

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Thank so much for providing the details of your experience, @Darryl Lopes - your expertise, honesty, and transparency, in this and other posts, enrich our community. A valuable message about the importance of only registering a number of domains that we can manage, and just because a domain name is cheap does not mean that there are no associated possible liabilities (including legal and the time that it takes).

I think the main message from this is the horrendous impact of super cheap registration rates. Although some xyz domain names have sold (according to Namebio stats 475 all time, with 230 in 2016, 60 in 2017 and 11 so far in 2018), and although I don't invest in them, I do see a future for the extension to some degree.

Is there any way ICANN could be persuaded to get the industry to agree to some rule such as any domain renewal can not be more than 30% above the previous year registration? This would discourage crazy first year promotions, and ensure those buying a domain that the increases will be limited. I really think a rule like this would do more for ngTLD end use than any amount of promotion of the extensions (not that that is a bad idea as well).

Thanks again,

Bob

ps I really like the procedure that @MapleDots relays on using analytics to determine which domains have been watched as way to decide on renew. Of course, also need to take into consideration how that might change in future - those who saw blockchain long before it began to be talked about were wise, but might not have seen visits in early years.
 
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I once bought like 120/125 INFO domains here at NP, for $5 each.
Hardly 2-3 sold for $20-$30 each. Waste of $600.
 
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Someone on this forum was selling .xyz left and right for good money. Not sure what their strategy was.

I think if I wasn't sure I would have put them all on Afternic with decent BINs and 1 or 2 sales would have repaid the investment back surely.
 
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@Darryl Lopes you had landing page or used 3rd party landing page like afternic, Most sale come from landing page
 
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This is exactly what I said back in 2016 here on NamePros. I wondered why people wasted their time with this.
 
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Could someone please ask .us & .co registry to start promo at $0.01, I might register more then @Darryl Lopes .

You did correct thing but unfortunately you have chosen wrong extension. I had some .xyz & developed them, but as a domainer I had only 247Btc.xyz which I got for free at west.xyz
 
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i have two coleaques, one register 100K while the other register 600K and they were happy with their decision. I'm sure they got enough net profit from those purchase.
 
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The registries have issued a number of press releases of five and six-figure NTLD sales but with several years of experience in this industry i am skeptical that all those sales are legit third-party sales without some sort of backdoor agreement. A few very selective and diligent domain investors doing outbound marketing have made some sales. However I do not believe there are any Rick Schwartz or Michael Berkens or Frank Schilling type new GTLD investors who are making serious money with the new extensions. Keyword availability is easier in New and alternative extensions than .Com because .Com has well over 100 million registrations and that is where billion dollar corporations spend their money on branding. I believe most investors in new extensions will see similar results to the op even though the more common scenario among newbie investors is the following: acquire hundreds of domains in alternative extensions via either handreg or backorder in a relatively short timeframe. After the first year some paring of the portfolio occurs but 80% of the domains are renewed. In the second year the investor may continue acquiring names but is more selective in acquisitions due to inadequate sales. By the third year the portfolio starts to get pruned a bit as sales are not covering renewals but the investor is still optimistic that eventually sales will come through. By the fifth year the investor is more aggressive in pricing and has a considerably smaller portfolio than they had in year two. At some point the investor realizes that investing in alternative extensions was not a good investment.
 
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I think the registrar would hope for renewals, it definitely dipped the second year registrations. Thanks for reading!

really ??

do you really think they were hoping for renewals?????

no I don't think so
 
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thank you @Darryl Lopes for taking the time to tell us about your journey


here is what you could have done after 6 month
redirect the traffic to something that could earn you money
( freebitcoin , adult whatever )
and track which domain actually made money

and of course keep those
and take them out of uniregistry
to some cheaper registar before renewals
 
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@Darryl Lopes

Very cool share.

Out of curiosity, how much traffic went to your friend's site/analytics from all those names?
 
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@Darryl Lopes

Very cool share.

Out of curiosity, how much traffic went to your friend's site/analytics from all those names?

and how many of those "visitors" were bots?
more then 99,99% ???
 
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i have two coleaques, one register 100K while the other register 600K and they were happy with their decision. I'm sure they got enough net profit from those purchase.

But how many of these did they actually sell or renew?

And why register 600k crap names? For me, it’s like collecting sand on the beach in hope that they will be diamonds a day.

Ok, if they made a reasonable profit in relation to the time they spent, I am happy to change my mind. Could you ask them?!
 
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meh :shifty:.. regged 20000 domains in a couple of nights? were you high on meth?:pompous:

On another note, good that you let them drop.
 
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So how much traffic did Analytics show they received on that day?
I asked my friend if he had the stats, it was quite some time ago, I can say it was in the thousands, enough for us both to laugh and for him to tell me to stop forwarding the traffic.
 
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meh :shifty:.. regged 20000 domains in a couple of nights? were you high on meth?:pompous:

On another note, good that you let them drop.

The .xyz registry actually provided lists of names available to register at that time, I also did searches online for keyword lists in Excel format on the net. Like I said, the majority of the domains registered were number combinations. :xf.wink:

PS: I was not the only one doing this at the time, I could tell because the lists would update in % saying how many were left in % too, even in one-word domain names and they would get lower and lower.
 
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So I have a little lesson for you.....

- Make a single landing page and add google analytics.
- Bulk change all name servers to your cPanel hosting account.
- This puts them in the main directory where you have your lander index file.

Now anyone going to xxx.xyz will see that in the address bar and you will see it on your google analytics.

Let all domains expire with no traffic and renew the ones where you get action.

I follow that and if I get even one type in I keep the domain.

Now you have a years gauge on which domains perform and which don't.

Renew the good ones, drop the rest.... wash, rinse, repeat.

Works great for me (y)

Great advice! I should have also had a Namepros account back then.
 
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The .xyz registry actually provided lists of names available to register at that time, I also did searches online for keyword lists in Excel format on the net. Like I said, the majority of the domains registered were number combinations. :xf.wink:

PS: I was not the only one doing this at the time, I could tell because the lists would update in % saying how many were left in % too, even in one-word domain names and they would get lower and lower.

hehehe.. I can feel it bro. I once thought about registering 500 .infos when they were on huge discounted prices. Glad my cheque didn't clear on time and I saved some good money.. :xf.grin:
 
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$200 for a valuable lesson learned..that is cheap compared to what many of us have spent to learn a lesson. Thanks for being honest and helping out others.

Looks like there are a few sales each month. I still hold one (a single) .xyz domain.

https://namebio.com/?s==QDN0UzNxcTM
 
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$200 for a valuable lesson learned..that is cheap compared to what many of us have spent to learn a lesson. Thanks for being honest and helping out others.

Looks like there are a few sales each month. I still hold one (a single) .xyz domain.

https://namebio.com/?s==QDN0UzNxcTM

I have hydrogencar.xyz and hydrogencars.xyz and am trying to get rid off.. lol
 
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After the first year some paring of the portfolio occurs but 80% of the domains are renewed

A lot of truth in your post, @garptrader , but I question the 80% (I might be wrong). If you look at average hold time in most new extensions, it is only slightly over 1 year, implying that most are not renewed I think? Now I know some of the registrars claim renewal rates comparable with yours, but I find these hard to make consistent with the third party average registration period data.

e.g. according to NameStat the average period for .site is 1.01 years and it is about the 55th percentile in terms of all (ngTLD?) domain names. Or am I misinterpreting this data? (thanks for any guidance from those more familiar with the stat)

https://namestat.org/site

Speaking personally (but I think some others have similar operation) I try hard to sell a domain name within the first year. In most cases, if I have no offer within that period, I will significantly reduce price in last weeks (to get $$ enough back to cover costs), but not renew. There are exceptions, mainly in technical terms that I think will be more popular in a few years that I do renew for multiple years. Also, if I have had interest, even if a sale did not happen, I tend to consider renewing, if cost not too steep.

In this regard I think fundamentally most .com and ngTLD investors operate differently, since in .com a higher percentage get renewed.
 
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Most people who made money off of xyz are the ones who played it smart and registered keyword one word names for cheap when you still could.

I managed to get so many keyword names from M-O-Z-A-R-T, TO G-A-R-Y to other names I can't list. I just sold them all for dirt cheap anywhere from $5 to $100. I did make money off of it, but only peanuts.

For instance, I still have P-O-C-K-E-T.X-Y-Z and that's pretty much all I have left, I put on a BIN price and just gonna leave it like that.

I never was into the NNNN domains so I really can't speak on that, but yea, even without NNNN , there are so many members on here who register domains that will never sell. IMO, if it aint great, it's not worth registering. /shrugs
 
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Why is this even news?

Two years ago, XYZ did a penny promo that cost them $2-$3 million dollars. They ate the expenses as advertising, hyping their brand. To them, it was a business expense. Their renewal rate was way less than the 5% retention rate that most promotions dependent on huge discounts achieve. It was dismal. They also used those numbers of penny registrations to present the .XYZ string as hugely adopted. Well, numbers don't lie, and XYZ went down from its peak of 6.7 million domains to 2.3 million, with another 200-300k in the drop queue.

Domain value is built on rarity. The moment you devalue it by pricing it at $0.01 across the commodity's board, you have lost the game.
 
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Well you could have made your money back if you had realistic pricing. $300 for a $0.1 is rather ridiculous imo. You could have sold them back at $5 each *20000 = $100,000 - $200 and profited $99,800 would have been a good flip and a great story.
Good idea poor execution is the learning part.

Stay blessed!
The sale thru rate for most domains is 3% tops with .com's. It's probably far less less for .xyz domains.
 
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Well, as I see it, this has nothing much to do with extension or promotional pricing.

.xyz sells pretty well, IF you have good keywords. See namebio and results of few members here as well

If someone regs 20k of weak names, there is no chance this will ever work, which the OP already found out by this little experiment. Also it does not matter whether they paid 200 using promo, or 200k using regular pricing, buyers are not interested in that. They are purely interested in quality of the name, and its renewal.

Imo, it is better to invest 200 usd for 1-2 good 1 keyword xyz names here at Namepros (one can open WLTB thread), then to spend that for 20k names which you need to look up in dictionary to find their meaning. "Quality over quantity" is a rule which is even more important in case of new gTLDs, comparing to legacy extensions.

Thanks for creating this thread :)
 
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