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news Whois data GONE in USA on May 25, 2018

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http://www.circleid.com/posts/20180412_holocaust_remembrance_day/

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Yet privacy rights were not the issue raised in the discussion convened by the IPC/BC on their proposed model for 'accreditation' to access Whois data. Instead, last Friday, we heard - yet again - how to give unlimited access to Whois data to any law enforcement, any cybersecurity firm, any trademark owner; basically to anyone who seeks it. The potential that journalists might use the non-public WHOIS data was recognized and credited; the potential that journalists might be the subject of a fishing expedition by a government or individual they criticized in a publication was not. The IPC/BC lawyers heading the meeting then heard that the GDRP rejects unlimited access to data — and they, in turn, unilaterally rejected the interpretation and advice of the legal advisor to ICANN, in the Hamilton Memo (#3). They told 150 people listening to the meeting that ICANN could give unlimited access to non-public Whois data to those the IPC/BC chose in their accreditation model.

We need real community consultation and on neutral ground — at ICANN — where we can again discuss what the law requires and what real compliance involves. Most importantly, we need to stop talking about who wants access to domain name data and start talking about how to respect the privacy rights of registrants. On this day of all days, on this week of all weeks, it's time for ICANN to be on the right side of law, the right side of principle and the right side of history. We hold the personal and sensitive data of almost 200 million domain name registrants. Today we must recognize that the privacy of this data could be the difference between protection and suppression.
 
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Good, less spam.

This will hurt outbounders though.
 
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I bought a few .ca's using the cira privacy form email.
I had no idea who I was contacting but I still managed to do outbound.

If the same system comes for .com it will not be the end of the world. :xf.smile:
 
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How will this effect domain price manipulation and shill bidding?
 
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I think it will have a positive effect for domainers using outbound techniques since it not only will reduce the amount of spam that potential endusers are getting, but will also leave more people in need of domains that didn't get reached by those who lazily spam emails for sales :]
 
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Good, less spam.

This will hurt outbounders though.
it will hurt everything, guaranteed. you will still get spam. just not from new regs. old lists will continue to be used for a long, long time. many domains will never be able to be found out who owns them. so if you want to buy it, too bad.

get a domain sent to some crazy registrar by snapnames and want to look up the whois to see what it says...too bad

sell a domain to someone and know they updated whois? too bad.

want to use whois to find real email address of an end user to contact? too bad. you'll have to use [email protected] and hope someone with a clue is behind it.

used to getting offers through whois? too bad, they're gone

though i really hope there is an opt out.

i really don't get why after 30 years of domain names people suddenly expect privacy from WHO IS. it shouldn't be called that anymore because thats exactly what it won't be.
 
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"This “WHOIS blackout” period will last at least six months until ICANN likely implements its accreditation mechanism to allow third parties to access this “walled” data. This blackout period may have significant ramifications for trademark enforcement, as the data that so many trademark owners have depended on to identify and enforce against infringers and squatters may no longer be accessible for the entire second half of this year."
He didn't post the entire text on this and that it is a whois blackout just for six months (or slightly longer but not forever). Maybe, after reading this he will edit the above what he said.
http://www.lawfuel.com/blog/whois-blackout-period-likely-starting-in-may/
 
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very interesting

how will this affect services like domainiq and domaintools ??
 
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I blame those folks that keep calling me to sell me a website building service. Gowebby
 
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I wonder if domain registration/expiration date will still be seen? If not, that will be both good and bad.
 
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i remember when there was a time when the concept of a RFID wallet was unimaginable or your identity was safe, etc... This is what happens when everyone is nervous and no one really understands the solution.Everything has to be blocked, hidden, secret - or when something happens - who wants to take the blame?
 
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Wont they still be able to spam the owners? I know that if I set up email, I usually set it up as catch-all so that I can get even typos. So even if someone guesses the email address it should still arrive.
 
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I blame those folks that keep calling me to sell me a website building service. Gowebby

That's nothing, and far worse is the identity theft, social engineering, account thefts and other BS that scammers use to easily circumvent the "security protocols" of your local Internet provider, cell phone co, bank, domain registrar, etc. and then just steal, steal, steal.

SPAM is not the reason this is being done, and over the past few years there has been a wave of African scammers using WHOIS data to steal a lot of $$$. SPAM is a bother, but someone rich and influential looking in their bank and finding it empty or checking their registrar account and seeing all their LL and LLL.COM domains gone will get serious political attention, as well it should.

In this day and age, there is no way that the home addresses and phone numbers of average citizens should be required in a database that is freely visible by anyone in the world.
 
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Maybe not forever but 6 months in ICANN years is likely closer to years than months. Seems to be over compliance, overlooking the simple fixes and current proposals may result in too many unintended consequences. Yes ist will reduce some SPAM but there are easier ways to address SPAM, then taking down the WHOIS.

Why not mandate registrars/registries make all European Registrants with EU Addresses moved to FREE Privacy with No OPT out option and offer free privacy to US and other non EU countries with OPT out?

This would be easy for Registrar and Registries to implement as registrars already have this mechanism. built in . Make the price of Privacy $0.00 Registries can make all EU registrant data private as well .

People worldwide have a right to privacy but "Forced Privacy" is not the same as "Right to Privacy" . Whois Privacy is a tool in legitimate commerce that helps all domainers and whois is also used to stop terrorism, and internet crimes ...l some Registranst will be at greater financial and other.

Here some other recent articles :

https://www.thesslstore.com/blog/gdpr-whois-icann-match-made-hell/

http://www.lawfuel.com/blog/whois-blackout-period-likely-starting-in-may/

http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/03/11/gdpr-what-will-happen-whois/id=94525/

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=52f08fb7-3608-4829-b56e-490a97188ee6
 
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People worldwide have a right to privacy but "Forced Privacy" is not the same as "Right to Privacy" . Whois Privacy is a tool in legitimate commerce that helps all domainers and whois is also used to stop terrorism, and internet crimes ...l some Registranst will be at greater financial and other.

@John Mauriello

I'm really liking your comment above John (y) (y) (y)

Makes so much sense
 
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Why not mandate registrars/registries make all European Registrants with EU Addresses moved to FREE Privacy with No OPT out option and offer free privacy to US and other non EU countries with OPT out?

Because EU citizens are required to have protection no matter where they live, and it would be a nightmare trying to track down everyone in the world who has dual/multi-citizenship to an EU nation.There is no "opt out" option for an EU citizen living in the US.

I have dual citizenship, as does my wife (different European countries) and I have no idea how ICANN would ever be able to determine that using their existing data.

And just to be clear, this is not being done to combat SPAM, but to provide identity protection and privacy from scammers who currently use WHOIS data for social engineering scams at banks, telcos, cell phone companies, registrars, etc,. and then steal like drunken sailors.

SPAM is an irritant, but losing your bank account, cell phone number or domain portfolio is far more serious and that is what we're talking about here.
 
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i really don't get why after 30 years of domain names people suddenly expect privacy from WHO IS. it shouldn't be called that anymore because thats exactly what it won't be.

People are catching up with technology.

Which is why there is more competition and that prices are going up.

People that were 'afraid' of tech are now venturing from underneath their rocks but still are armed with their crazy complaints. So new domain owners are having all of their precious "information" scraped and they go into a full panic.

It should force most domainers to go and get themselves a $3/mo hosting package, have their own landing pages with their eMail or contact form. $40/yr or continue to pay Sedo/GD 20% of every sale. I'm going witht he $40 cost cheaper route.

Things evolve, you evolve too. It's just another evolution, nothing to see here bro.

On my 500 domains I get zero phone calls and maybe 1 eMail per day like : "Regarding NameProstitutesTechnicalInstituteForTheSeeingEnabled" - there are ways bro to keep the spammers away and still keep your data ICANN compliant.
 
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People are catching up with technology.

Which is why there is more competition and that prices are going up.

People that were 'afraid' of tech are now venturing from underneath their rocks but still are armed with their crazy complaints. So new domain owners are having all of their precious "information" scraped and they go into a full panic.

It should force most domainers to go and get themselves a $3/mo hosting package, have their own landing pages with their eMail or contact form. $40/yr or continue to pay Sedo/GD 20% of every sale. I'm going witht he $40 cost cheaper route.

Things evolve, you evolve too. It's just another evolution, nothing to see here bro.

On my 500 domains I get zero phone calls and maybe 1 eMail per day like : "Regarding NameProstitutesTechnicalInstituteForTheSeeingEnabled" - there are ways bro to keep the spammers away and still keep your data ICANN compliant.
Me for personally, its the inability to research domains that is the most worry some as most domain owners who aren't domainers won't care if their info is hidden.
 
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Domainers aren't the only ones who use whois to research domains - infosec people use it for tracking down malicious sites, emails, etc. Expect to see more phishing and spam in general.
 
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Expect to see more phishing and spam in general.

I'd take the under on that one, for a significant amount of money.

Making WHOIS private is like getting an alarm system, sure you won't dissuade the serious 0.01%, but you will get rid of the 99.99% of 3rd world scammers who just strip the WHOIS records and go to work social engineering/identity thieving every morning.

Where the problems come up is researching domain ownership and title for sales, but after the initial moratorium, that info will be made available for qualified individuals and firms.
 
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I hope that all the years of privacy I paid for at Godaddy aren't in vain. I hope that after the six months or so GD doesn't make me pay for some other form of hiding my info
 
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And if anyone wants to see if my comments are right or wrong, there is an easy test.

1) Count how much SPAM and attempted account intrusions you have now, weekly and monthly.

2) For the next 2 weeks, register a new .US domain every day (14) using a valid email and address (as required).

3) Count how much SPAM and attempted account intrusions you have now, weekly and monthly.
 
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This change is interesting and after the 6 months it will be neat to see how the info is displayed if no privacy.
 
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And if anyone wants to see if my comments are right or wrong, there is an easy test.

1) Count how much SPAM and attempted account intrusions you have now, weekly and monthly.

2) For the next 2 weeks, register a new .US domain every day (14) using a valid email and address (as required).

3) Count how much SPAM and attempted account intrusions you have now, weekly and monthly.

I wasn’t talking about spam TO domain owners - that will decrease. I meant it will get harder to track down and stop spammers, scammers, malware and phishing in general.
  • Most of thse activities originate from compromised sites. Cleaning it up involves notifying the site / domain owner.
  • IRL, whois data is more useful than you might think in tracking down and disrupting scams, malware and phishing activity.
  • Law enforcement will still have access - what about infosec professionals and corporate security personnel?
 
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law enforcement will still have access - what about infosec professionals and corporate security personnel?

I thought authorized personnel would either have access to a) the WHOIS data or b) a masked/encrypted contact form.
 
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