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Have been reading most of the old threads on Name pros and what struck me hard is the lack of warmth and depth in today's responses compared to the past.

Maybe the fatigue has seeped in answering the same questions over and over.

Let's bring back the camaraderie as it's a marathon not a race:xf.smile:
 
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I've been around here a long time. Can you give some examples?
 
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I think there are many of us who are spending our time here to help the community, but I can see your point on the tone and approach many people take in forums can be off-putting.
 
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They are off swimming in the pool of their domain riches.
 
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Most of my experiences have been decent but I have to admit that a number of times I asked myself why am I posting? I find it happens mostly when a topic is opened and becomes pages long. A correction can be posted and members will continue to leave snarky comments because they have not read the whole topic. I know several topics where this goes on for pages and everyone asks.... did you read the topic??

As usual when I joined I was instantly greeted by eric with deletions or closed topics. This inevitably happens as one does not know all the rules. I stopped posting after that thinking it's too strict but after a while I came to realize that it keeps order and helps things stay organized.

I also find that as you build relationships with members it turns more into a friendly comradery than an argument. I know in a couple of cases I have become good friends with members that I got into a little spat with previously. It strangely brought us closer together and I found myself coming to the members aid when needed and he did the same for me. It's kind of like we built a mutual respect by drawing lines in the sand. Neither gave up but we shook hands just like after any good boxing match :blackeye:
 
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I've been around here a long time. Can you give some examples?

DaveTop MemberVIP★★★★★★★★★★

Rookie's Query -But how do I know if I have a super or sh!t domain when I'm still new to the game.

Dave's Answer:

Examples of at least $xxxx+ domains (note the brackets):
  • mkkk.com (Chinese premium LLLL)
  • hbbc.com (premium LLLL ending in C)
  • ChicagoRealEstate.com (GEO)
  • Fitso.com (brandable 5L .com)
  • VRNews.com (vr niche name)
  • CryptoNews.com (crypto niche name)
  • RedRooster.com (brandable colour + animal)
  • Electrile.com (brandable made up word)
  • The[Popular Service/Product/Animal/Word].com (works well in some cases, such as TheBlockchain.com, TheStars.com, TheMoon.com, TheAi.com)
  • Premium.[TLD] (Premium one word in a TLD that sells well. .co.uk, .net, .org, .io with tech, .de)
  • EmdHighSearch.com (10,000+ local search volume is fine for a domain with 2-3 words)
  • PopularSaying.com (FeelingGood.com, ShootingStar.com, GetLucky.com, OnYourWay.com)
  • 38372.com (5N with no 0 or 4)
Examples of zero value domains;
  • StupidlyLongDomainWithNoSearchVolume.com (a long hard to remember name with almost no end user appeal)
  • CelebrityName.com (don't do this)
  • ApplePhones.com (don't do this)
  • Aavvx.com (don't do random 5L+ with no pronounceability)
  • MyNameHasNoNiche.com (don't do this)
Future tech trend domains are fine to pick up even if they have no value now. Names like BlockchainSoftware.com had no value 5-6 years ago. Read enough news, follow trends and such for this. I posted SleepingSensors.com in an available thread recently. It maybe worth $xxxx one day, it may not be. These names are in most cases a bit of a punt, so don't make an entire portfolio out of names like this or you risk losing money.

Hopefully can give you more of an idea.

One last thing, examples of $xxx domains, so if you get these for mid $xx or less are worth it, these sort of names are how most domainers make money.
  • [Small Geo][High value word].com (This is a geo area with maybe lowish population, say 50,000, mixed with a popular service like real estate/property, seo, attorney).
  • YellowFish.com (brandable and memorable two word. Colour + animal can do well).
  • SmallNiche.com (Exact EMD small niche with 1-5k local exact search volume or 100-1000 local search volume and high cpc).
Haven't saved the quality of the responses from the past but this is a great response from a top member to a newbie in the recent past.. These are the kind of responses that make us look up to you. Off late i see too many jaded and cocky responses or absolute indifference to many queries from newbies.
 
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Maybe the fatigue has seeped in answering the same questions over and over.

well, if you've been reading threads and posts, then you've seen how some of the same questions get asked, over and over.

whereas, in the past, when there were fewer people, the same questions weren't asked as much

as more members where seeking info for themselves, rather than wanting to be spoon fed.

then too, there were less "mo-fo's" trying to get in your pocket than there are now, so less questions arose about who these people or services are.

lot of things domainers did for themselves, sprung up as services.
the sale of picks and shovels became hot commodities , to assist domainers in their search for the gold.

today, new members don't have the same mentality or patience coming in, as was in the past.
they expect overnight success, based on reports of what they've seen in a video or read in a post or blog

they want the fastest or quickest way and really don't have time to read.

it's an overhyped game now, and it's reflected in that "annoyance" you sense in some threads.

imo....
 
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DaveTop MemberVIP★★★★★★★★★★

Rookie's Query -But how do I know if I have a super or sh!t domain when I'm still new to the game.

Dave's Answer:

Examples of at least $xxxx+ domains (note the brackets):
  • mkkk.com (Chinese premium LLLL)
  • hbbc.com (premium LLLL ending in C)
  • ChicagoRealEstate.com (GEO)
  • Fitso.com (brandable 5L .com)
  • VRNews.com (vr niche name)
  • CryptoNews.com (crypto niche name)
  • RedRooster.com (brandable colour + animal)
  • Electrile.com (brandable made up word)
  • The[Popular Service/Product/Animal/Word].com (works well in some cases, such as TheBlockchain.com, TheStars.com, TheMoon.com, TheAi.com)
  • Premium.[TLD] (Premium one word in a TLD that sells well. .co.uk, .net, .org, .io with tech, .de)
  • EmdHighSearch.com (10,000+ local search volume is fine for a domain with 2-3 words)
  • PopularSaying.com (FeelingGood.com, ShootingStar.com, GetLucky.com, OnYourWay.com)
  • 38372.com (5N with no 0 or 4)
Examples of zero value domains;
  • StupidlyLongDomainWithNoSearchVolume.com (a long hard to remember name with almost no end user appeal)
  • CelebrityName.com (don't do this)
  • ApplePhones.com (don't do this)
  • Aavvx.com (don't do random 5L+ with no pronounceability)
  • MyNameHasNoNiche.com (don't do this)
Future tech trend domains are fine to pick up even if they have no value now. Names like BlockchainSoftware.com had no value 5-6 years ago. Read enough news, follow trends and such for this. I posted SleepingSensors.com in an available thread recently. It maybe worth $xxxx one day, it may not be. These names are in most cases a bit of a punt, so don't make an entire portfolio out of names like this or you risk losing money.

Hopefully can give you more of an idea.

One last thing, examples of $xxx domains, so if you get these for mid $xx or less are worth it, these sort of names are how most domainers make money.
  • [Small Geo][High value word].com (This is a geo area with maybe lowish population, say 50,000, mixed with a popular service like real estate/property, seo, attorney).
  • YellowFish.com (brandable and memorable two word. Colour + animal can do well).
  • SmallNiche.com (Exact EMD small niche with 1-5k local exact search volume or 100-1000 local search volume and high cpc).
Haven't saved the quality of the responses from the past but this is a great response from a top member to a newbie in the recent past.. These are the kind of responses that make us look up to you. Off late i see too many jaded and cocky responses or absolute indifference to many queries from newbies.
@Dave is a top guy.

I would say to all the newbies that all the members that are helping you and providing feedback are generally doing it for free. Sometimes the comments you don't like and think are rude are actually helping you the most....

Tell me another industry that has this kind of professional information so easily available for absolutely nothing?

Lots of old members and successful domainers give their advice and feedback every day for free.

That's just one of the reasons I started The Domain Vlog..

Sometimes you have to take the cocky responses with a grain of salt. It's a fairly common thing to see people that do well get cocky. Nothing new there.
 
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@biggie summed today's situation up perfectly.
 
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Sometimes you have to take the cocky responses with a grain of salt. It's a fairly common thing to see people that do well get cocky. Nothing new there.

What the hell are you talking about!! :xf.wink:







:xf.laugh::ROFL::xf.laugh::ROFL::xf.laugh::ROFL:
 
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well, if you've been reading threads and posts, then you've seen how some of the same questions get asked, over and over.

whereas, in the past, when there were fewer people, the same questions weren't asked as much

as more members where seeking info for themselves, rather than wanting to be spoon fed.

then too, there were less "mo-fo's" trying to get in your pocket than there are now, so less questions arose about who these people or services are.

lot of things domainers did for themselves, sprung up as services.
the sale of picks and shovels became hot commodities , to assist domainers in their search for the gold.

today, new members don't have the same mentality or patience coming in, as was in the past.
they expect overnight success, based on reports of what they've seen in a video or read in a post or blog

they want the fastest or quickest way and really don't have time to read.

it's an overhyped game now, and it's reflected in that "annoyance" you sense in some threads.

imo....

Spot on Don

There is more to it than even that, there are people who have been in the business that have become jaded, a long time domainer told me last week, "I hate this business, I hate forums,blogs,godaddy, I hate conferences, I hate it all!" That was a copy and paste from his email.

This can be a lonely, boring profession/hobby where people today seem to need hits of dopamine faster, people do studies about people using social media get depressed because the likes to their Instagram photo or Facebook post are not coming fast enough.

This is also not the business it was 10 years ago, there are some sales here like CryptoCorp.com but for the most part people don't want to buy from another domainer, names that would have sold for $100 sell for $5 to $10. As a one off thing that doesn't mean much but in volume it does.

When I started the DotTV subforum members bought from other members in a vibrant wholesale market, I sold names for $600 to another domainer and it wasn't super premium like a LL or 1,000,000 search volume keyword domain.

Fast forward ahead for the most part I couldn't get $25 for some of those names here today. One factor was as the forum grew more people had good names, they didn't need to buy the names from experienced members.

Look at Domains Wanted threads, we all want a deal but saying you will buy a 3L.com for $5,000 - $8,000 no kidding so will everyone, on the flip side people trying to sell send unrelated names that are unrelated by a mile. I know members that now refuse to post a wanted thread here and they have a real budget and aren't looking to get domains for ten cents on the dollar.

A lot has changed. The business is nowhere as sexy as it once was and it's a lot harder to be successful, selling one name is not success unless it's life changing money, you have to be able to sell year in, year out, spot trends, jump off trends at the right time. Still feel good about that .mobi name? Are you loving qzxk.com at $2,600 bought for a flip?

This business requires a lot of time and in a lot of cases people who like the business of domain names would have been better buying stock in Verisign, GoDaddy and Tucows.

Again IMO
 
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Spot on Don
A lot has changed. The business is nowhere as sexy as it once was and it's a lot harder to be successful, selling one name is not success unless it's life changing money, you have to be able to sell year in, year out, spot trends, jump off trends at the right time. Still feel good about that .mobi name? Are you loving qzxk.com at $2,600 bought for a flip?

This business requires a lot of time and in a lot of cases people who like the business of domain names would have been better buying stock in Verisign, GoDaddy and Tucows.

Again IMO

I would agree, and add that companies like GoDaddy have found a mechanism to further their business while hurting small-time domainers. Big fish eats the little fish.
 
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The wink!

HaHaHa

Yup, I was just being cocky, like in his post.
I was hoping the wink would give it away.

Hey, I also put in the smileys as a safety measure :xf.laugh:
 
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today, new members don't have the same mentality or patience coming in, as was in the past.
they expect overnight success, based on reports of what they've seen in a video or read in a post or blog

they want the fastest or quickest way and really don't have time to read.

it's an overhyped game now, and it's reflected in that "annoyance" you sense in some threads.

imo....

That is one of my biggest issues. A lot of the newer people have been attracted to the industry like it is a get rich scheme. It isn't. Like any business it is going to require time, effort, and a willingness to learn.

I run into too many know-it-all's with bad attitudes and recent creation dates, people getting their account banned monthly for spamming forums and other rules violations. I am also sick of many comments I post being deleted.

I just don't post as much as I once did because it is not worth the hassle.

I like to be helpful, but I am sick of dealing with the nonsense. To all the people who are willing to put in the time & effort, and are willing to learn what I said above does not apply to you.

Brad
 
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I'm thankful for the talent that does hang around the forums. It is a never ending cycle here at NP...some of the rookies quit too early or start regging before the learning curve. While the seasoned veterans are building their portfolio in the background or going on to build businesses like bobbleheads.com I was on the forum a lot more in the winter when I was up north, now I find summer to be the inside, get stuff done season in florida.
I dont care who you are, you should always treat someone else as you would want to be. Many kids now have #nofilter or boundaries.
 
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Because domaining is a mature industry compared to past. First domainers should be now in their 40's or 50's if they were around 20-30 years old in 90's. They were helping each other as there was no info about domains. I should repeat: they were helping each other because they were in need to help each other. All of them were newbie. Currently a newbie is only an information taker who can't give something equivalent in return. In the past, everyone was newbie who were helping each other.

There must be a group of people who discuss to generate new knowledge about unknown, new industry. Domaining -even bitcoin- is no longer such a new industry. Almost all answers to all questions about domains are written somewhere on the internet.
 
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word is that back in the day.. way before I came here.. namepro members were very proud people.. and not in a good way.. they'd look down upon every new arrival.. from their high mighty thrones... and not even respond or engage into conversation..

...... thats what I heard... lets call them.. reliable sources :)

and then it all changed. .for the better. so no.. I do not agree things are bad today ;)

cheers
 
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Because domaining is a mature industry compared to past. First domainers should be now in their 40's or 50's if they were around 20-30 years old in 90's. They were helping each other as there was no info about domains. I should repeat: they were helping each other because they were in need to help each other. All of them were newbie. Currently a newbie is only an information taker who can't give something equivalent in return. In the past, everyone was newbie who were helping each other.

There must be a group of people who discuss to generate new knowledge about unknown, new industry. Domaining -even bitcoin- is no longer such a new industry. Almost all answers to all questions about domains are written somewhere on the internet.

I'm not old, lol. I have to say that once or twice a week.... but I fit the above profile.

The key for forums is COMMUNITY. Trust me. It might seem like it's knowledge or info or special skills, but the real reason "good people" participate is community. And therefore it is natural for forums to rise and fall, as people move in and out of the community.

With rapid growth (and domaining saw very rapid growth) comes a pyramid shaped community... very few at the top (big commitment, good knowledge & expertise), with huge numbers coming in at the base of the pyramid (most know very little and often have very little commitment). If the bottom doesn't graduate enough "good people" to the upper levels, the community will suffer.
 
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Maybe the fatigue has seeped in answering the same questions over and over.
Fatigue is certainly a factor. I myself feel like I'm sounding like a broken record. It's true, I am often repeating myself but I am not senile yet :xf.wink:
There are some members who are looking for shortcuts, like @biggie says, they don't have the patience. They don't bother to do their homework. There is a lot of information available for free, but you have to take the time to digest it.

This business requires a lot of time and in a lot of cases people who like the business of domain names would have been better buying stock in Verisign, GoDaddy and Tucows.
This is very true. If you look at the amount of money wasted in the new regs, and imagine if a portion of that money could be pooled toward a small number of selected names (or some worthy cause like charity). Domainers are for the most part wasting money individually. Collectively they could achieve something. I repeat, for the newcomers who may be reading us: most domainers are losing money. If you want to beat the odds of failure - prepare to work hard.

Also, the domainer community is not what it once was. Domainers no longer buy from each other, at least not like in the old days. I think the 'industry' has become more individualistic, in a word it has normalized somehow and become more mainstream. And domaining forums have lost steam, NP is the last big man standing (no offense to the smaller players). Some of the conversation has shifted to blogs. Those who have knowledge, know-how or something to say are publishing their own content (and monetizing it).

But I don't think NP would have been around for so long without a vibrant and disinterested community.
So the goods guys are still there, sometimes hiding in plain sight. Guyettes too :)
Some members have left, but have been replaced by others.
 
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All you can do is be the answer if you see a problem. You be the one who give well thought out and warm answers.
 
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I'm new here and don't know how NP used to be, but I absolutely love this place. I get to learn something new every day, and the tone is friendly and helpful.

The poker forums I frequented for many years were not nearly as friendly (but quite fun in other ways).
 
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word is that back in the day.. way before I came here.. namepro members were very proud people.. and not in a good way.. they'd look down upon every new arrival.. from their high mighty thrones... and not even respond or engage into conversation..

...... thats what I heard... lets call them.. reliable sources :)

and then it all changed. .for the better. so no.. I do not agree things are bad today ;)

cheers

IMHO this isn't true, and I'm kind of annoyed that someone gave you what I would consider misinformation though of course they are entitled to their beliefs. This community was literally incredible back in the day, it was a blast to be here we used to log so many hours in the chat room and there were always "events" going on. If anyone had a problem becoming part of the community then it may have been because they weren't able to accept they were new to the game and/or they didn't have a friendly demeanor. I made some awesome friends here in 2007-2008 even though I was new, some of which I actually got to meet in person and still talk to this day. NP was so much fun to be a part of that most of the people I knew here had left another prominent webdev/domainer forum to join us.

I hope someone backs me on this lol.
 
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