question Opinions on .UK?

Cruncher · Feb 21, 2018

What are peoples opinions on .UK domain extention? Not co.uk - just .UK

I saw a thread on here for someone looking for appraisal on blockchain.uk but no one replied.

So what's your thoughts on .UK?

Pierre Barnard · Feb 21, 2018

Personally I like it. Hoping Nominet will make a decision soon.

Ollie3000 · Feb 21, 2018

That one i've been trying to reg for ages - it's reserved for the owner of the .co.uk. Even if you try and reg this, it won't work. I've done it through GD.

All .UK domains are reserved for the owners of the .CO.UK until June 2019. If not claimed by then, it's fair game.

I like the extension but .CO.UK is quite a powerful extension and it will take a while for the .UK to catch up

RobM · Feb 21, 2018

It's just a money spinner for nominet and its pet registrars. All it has really done is dilute the namespace, create unnecessary competition and expenses for business, and made nominet (hosteurope) loads of money. I suspect there were kickbacks involved and links between members of the nominet board and the registrars that benefit. Of course there will never be any proof (this is just personal supposition ignoring past links and certain baroness' activities) but nominet have shown time and time again that they don't do anything to benefit registrants or any registrars outside of the top 3.
This extension is so unwanted that 123reg have taken it on themselves to register the .uk for people who haven't exercised that right (most) and set autorenew on. This can only be to boost 123regs profits from theft from accounts where the owner hasn't realised/has passed away but payment methods are still valid whilst at the same time helping nominet claim how 'popular' the extension is and using the figures to try and brainwash people. Disgusting the whole process. This is a registry that still charges for registrant changes to a domain in 2018.... They haven't got a clue and most of them only have jobs because of who they know/who they vote for.
The upshot is - if nominet say something is good for us then the opposite is true as it's only good for them. Welcome to .uk.

Andrew Knox · Feb 21, 2018

I like them. I saw a Frank Schilling interview where he says he likes them too

I hope .au is available soon.

RobM · Feb 21, 2018

Unfortunately the market disagrees. Figures are always down except when they're artificially boosted by fake schemes. The UK public are still getting to grips with .co.uk - remember only 11 million registered in a country with 60+ million people. All this has done is confuse them further. Now companies are faced with registering an unwanted extension to protect their businesses. Something that I'm sure nominet knew would be the case - extortion basically.

Kate · Feb 21, 2018

Indeed we are seeing increase Icannization™ at Nominet

Probably .uk was released for the same reason as new extensions are released: create new revenue streams for the registries and the registrars.

However .uk is far from unique, in recent years a number of countries have opened up second level registrations that used to be restricted (or disallowed). Here the impact is bigger because .co.uk is and old and mature ccTLD, that already had around 10 million regs when .uk was made available.

But it's not like the public had been asking for it.
Now if you buy a .co.uk you have to make sure it has .uk rights. I think you have to secure both because you never own. .uk might eventually take over like .in over .co.in, but even if it does it's going to take a long time.

Ollie3000 · Feb 21, 2018

Kate said:
Now if you buy a .co.uk you have to make sure it has .uk rights. I think you have to secure both because you never own. .uk might eventually take over like .in over .co.in, but even if it does it's going to take a long time.

And there you have the only reason it was released. To make the original owners of .CO.UK domains spend more consolidating their brands.

Jonathan MacDermid · Feb 23, 2018

From what GoDaddy says when I tried to order Insurance.uk (was worth a shot right!), the .uk are only reserved for owners of .co.uk registered prior to 2014. Is it worth checking for the availability of any good .uk where the .co.uk was registered after 2014?

lock · Feb 23, 2018

On certain keywords this will be gold.

Pierre Barnard · Feb 23, 2018

lock said:
On certain keywords this will be gold.

agreed

Jonathan MacDermid · Feb 23, 2018

I've done a little test. Found a .uk that was available via godaddy.
The plural .co.uk is owned by a massive company but the term is a generic name of something they work with so no trademark.
They also own the singular .co.uk although the plural will probably be searched as much.
The Singular.uk is reserved for them but I now have the plural.uk

Any thoughts on what will happen???? (my bet is I get it taken from me but hey, it's an experiment).

lock · Feb 23, 2018

I know of gem i wanted that is available but i am Aussie.

Jonathan MacDermid · Feb 23, 2018

PM me and I will buy it for you.

Pierre Barnard · Feb 23, 2018

same here

-AR- · Feb 23, 2018

I think this was reactive solution from Nominet. A lot of businesses started using .co because they couldn't get their preferred .co.uk domain. Nominet should have released the .uk many years ago to avoid all this confusion. Over time every business will have to move to the .uk as painful as it is.

The UK government is already using this and many companies have started adopting this change

Jonathan MacDermid · Feb 23, 2018

Good point, with gov.uk, nhs.uk and sch.uk etc. being used throughout the UK Government, people are certainly getting more used to it.

Pierre Barnard · Feb 23, 2018

Agreed, even nominet uses the .uk

-AR- · Feb 23, 2018

Problem is that a lot of businesses will probably not register their .uk domain and lose a very important asset which they will have to pay a premium to purchase again. All Nominet's fault, they should have given the .uk to the .co.uk owner for free for one year.

I can see a lot of court cases building up, all because of Nominet's excellent work. They should have been proactive and done something about it 10 years ago. On the plus side they will make a lot of money.

lock · Feb 23, 2018

Pming you Jonathon.

RobM · Feb 23, 2018

The uk dispute doesn't work like .com.
Anyone can open a dispute for any reason. There is a period of mediation after which either the complainant drops the case or pays nominet £750+vat (20%) for an 'expert' to make a decision. After that decision is made a complaint/respondent can appeal and pay nominet £1500+vat (20%) for three 'experts' to come to a decision. All the while this is going on there can be no legal action taken.
Here's the thing though - if someone complains, the respondent doesn't respond - and the complainant pays for a decision the 'expert' usually rules in their favour because he usually doesn't have any clue about domains, their use, and what constitutes fair use etc. Most experts don't even work in the domain field - I think they are there because they are friends with certain board members :p This puts the respondent at a disadvantage so it is vital he responds taking up his time to rebut the FREE dispute filed.
If the respondent does respond the complainant then gets ANOTHER chance to respond to that response. However the respondent doesn't. This means that the complainant can complain, see what your response is, and then pull your response to bits before a decision is made.
The system is hugely flawed but nominet wins (surprise surprise). Not only have they already made a fortune selling extensions that nobody wanted they are set to make a fortune when a plethora of complaints start in 2019.

lock · Feb 23, 2018

Jonathon was helpful however the name in question is reserved for (sameword) other dot uk extension owner to apply. We will keep it under wraps a while.

Jonathan MacDermid · Feb 23, 2018

RobM said:
The uk dispute doesn't work like .com.
Anyone can open a dispute for any reason. There is a period of mediation after which either the complainant drops the case or pays nominet £750+vat (20%) for an 'expert' to make a decision. After that decision is made a complaint/respondent can appeal and pay nominet £1500+vat (20%) for three 'experts' to come to a decision. All the while this is going on there can be no legal action taken.
Here's the thing though - if someone complains, the respondent doesn't respond - and the complainant pays for a decision the 'expert' usually rules in their favour because he usually doesn't have any clue about domains, their use, and what constitutes fair use etc. Most experts don't even work in the domain field - I think they are there because they are friends with certain board members :p This puts the respondent at a disadvantage so it is vital he responds taking up his time to rebut the FREE dispute filed.
If the respondent does respond the complainant then gets ANOTHER chance to respond to that response. However the respondent doesn't. This means that the complainant can complain, see what your response is, and then pull your response to bits before a decision is made.
The system is hugely flawed but nominet wins (surprise surprise). Not only have they already made a fortune selling extensions that nobody wanted they are set to make a fortune when a plethora of complaints start in 2019.

So if I understand you correctly,it will cost them £750+vat to try and get the domain off me. So if I offer it back to them for under £750+vat, they should accept the offer kindly?

RobM · Feb 23, 2018

Well you have to take into account what it's worth and if you think they'll lose. If someone opens a dispute, pays for a decision, and then loses it would make sense to add a 0 to your figure :p
However yes mediation sometimes resolves with the complainant buying it for less than the cost of a decision or someone realises that and pays before even taking out a dispute.

Jonathan MacDermid · Feb 23, 2018

Just found out why I managed to pick up the site I thought would be reserved.
Creditcards.uk
The .co.uk was only registered in 2015 while the singular version was registered prior to 2014 (the date Godaddy states as required for reservations).

I think I may be on to a winner here.

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