discuss Generally...Are New gTLD's Becoming Mainstream?

Silentptnr · Jan 25, 2018

I think there is progress!

Couple of large sales suggest that people may be getting used to the new gTLD's.

Do you agree?

Kate · Jan 31, 2018

It's true. And in many parts of the world (outside the US) the ccTLDs are more or less dominant alongside .com. So there is little appetite for long strings in English. It's not that people don't understand English keywords like online, life or whatever. They do. The problem is that the extensions are somewhat remote and not relevant for the local market. ccTLDs are popular for a reason: they emphasize focus, trust, proximity and national pride.
Also, most nTLDs are too niche and therefore cannot attain critical mass. Even .club which could be among the most successful is not an all-purpose extension.

.com has been losing ground to ccTLDs for many years as the Internet has shifted to local extensions to a large extent. So what do you expect. Just too many extensions fighting for a tiny slice of the pie.
But I must be the most relentless advocate of ccTLDs on here.

Recons.Com · Jan 31, 2018

I assume with the next round of ngtlds, someone will apply for .crypto and for .coin and all those thousands of domains with those keywords will lose 90% of their "value" overnight

Platinums · Jan 31, 2018

DnDot.com said:
One of the other issues with gTLDs is that most are in English. The world does not speak just english.

youtu.be/2UpXCQDMno0?t=44s

Platinums · Jan 31, 2018

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dordomai · Feb 1, 2018

Loxline said:
Domainers chose to drop these new gTLDs. Not the end-users. The drop represents the power behind the scenes (domainers and investors).

b.t.w. This is my last post. I like 836 number
I wish you all The Best!

most domains were registered by speculators

-AR- · Feb 1, 2018

I think the gTLD marketing machine will probably keep going for another couple of years and there will be some massive sales to keep people hoping for a big sale so that they renew their domains but ultimately the truth will come out and people will lose hope. I remember paying a lot of money for some LLL.biz about 10 years and had to sell them half price to just get rid of them a few years later, still good considering the current prices. Prime example is a gTLD like .travel which has been around for a while, how many websites or companies with .travel do you know? I personally know of none.

Companies use .com because it offers security and customers are educated about .com. I use a .net address for my business (I couldn't acquire the .com or the cctld when it started out, have them now though) and when i give out my email and say .net, a lot of people say dot what? They want me to repeat it. Now .net has been around for a very long time and is a good TLD imagine if I was using .life, I would probably have explain myself every single time and I don't have time for that because I don't sell domains to my customers. I would have to get paid an annual fee by the people that own .life to use it because I would be advertising their tld. People do not like change and most people do not like to learn new things, this is normal human nature.

Using a gTLD would just confuse 95% of the population, why would anyone want to confuse their customers when they can stick to .com or the country cctld? I don't want to spoil anyones dreams but I would be very careful because I have lost money in the past taking chances with random tlds. My advise is if you don't have the money to buy 10 quality .coms then buy 1 or invest your money in quality cctld depending on the local market.

If you do decide to deal in the gTLD market then flip them fast and keep doing that, you will sell a lot to confused people who think they are getting a good deal or getting a premium domain until the music stops.

Anyway, this is just my opinion and I may be proven wrong however I will stick to this for now.

dordomai · Feb 1, 2018

DnDot.com said:
I think the gTLD marketing machine will probably keep going for another couple of years and there will be some massive sales to keep people hoping for a big sale so that they renew their domains but ultimately the truth will come out and people will lose hope. I remember paying a lot of money for some LLL.biz about 10 years and had to sell them half price to just get rid of them a few years later, still good considering the current prices. Prime example is a gTLD like .travel which has been around for a while, how many websites or companies with .travel do you know? I personally know of none.

Companies use .com because it offers security and customers are educated about .com. I use a .net address for my business (I couldn't acquire the .com or the cctld when it started out, have them now though) and when i give out my email and say .net, a lot of people say dot what? They want me to repeat it. Now .net has been around for a very long time and is a good TLD imagine if I was using .life, I would probably have explain myself every single time and I don't have time for that because I don't sell domains to my customers. I would have to get paid an annual fee by the people that own .life to use it because I would be advertising their tld. People do not like change and most people do not like to learn new things, this is normal human nature.

Using a gTLD would just confuse 95% of the population, why would anyone want to confuse their customers when they can stick to .com or the country cctld? I don't want to spoil anyones dreams but I would be very careful because I have lost money in the past taking chances with random tlds. My advise is if you don't have the money to buy 10 quality .coms then buy 1 or invest your money in quality cctld depending on the local market.

If you do decide to deal in the gTLD market then flip them fast and keep doing that, you will sell a lot to confused people who think they are getting a good deal or getting a premium domain until the music stops.

Anyway, this is just my opinion and I may be proven wrong however I will stick to this for now.

I think the people here do not want to hear that many people do not even understand .net, how could they ever get .whatever with www. or not?

20 years before people might get used to it and even that is not sure since people do not get .net after 20 years and many simply refuse to educate themselves about technology and the internet.

if you have a .whatever no matter how great it is you will struggle promoting your URL.

Altoz · Feb 1, 2018

Recons.Com said:
You have to define "mainstream" then. If 97% of businesses are still using .com, .net, .org, .io, .co, .tv, .me, .cctld, then the remaining 3% cannot be "mainstream" regardless of how many Kerala and few others sell.

Personally, I can't stand them and I will not take company serious.

They are diamonds and they cubic zircon!
IMHO

mjnels · Feb 2, 2018

Kate said:
Can we have a definition of 'mainstream' ? For me they are anecdotal but maybe I should define anecdotal ?

I logged off the forums for a while and stopped thinking about domains entirely and started noticing .whatevers very often... its anecdotal.

the new generation is not going to care what looks professional or unprofessional... and this is the crux of the anti-gtld argument. I am saying 100% there isnt anyone who will think that whole unprofessional thing eventually, a clearly worded website is a clearly worded website.

like today, the gold standard phone number is still 1-800...... ok but we dont think its a big deal if they have no 1-800 number and just use a local area code of whatever city they're in... that had real disadvantages 20 years ago.... now, who cares.

brandnow · Feb 2, 2018

I'm spending half my time in Asia and the other half in N. America. Sometimes I just randomly see ngtlds show up. It seems to be more widespead in Asian countries, but if you ask someone.. they likely would just be able to name .com and their ccTLD.

Altoz · Feb 2, 2018

For serious real corporations .com is the way to go.
For kids that are trying to get peace of the internet action, then all the funny extensions could be cheap option. But they are in totally different business (games, hacking, niche forums, niche portals) and are happy with whatever they can get cheap.
Personally I think it's almost a scam. Most money is making the registrars of the new crap. Most of the best domains they hold for themselves anyway.

Sure get me 1.cc and I'll buy it (ok, maybe I'll spend bit more 10$)

In any case I don't care what others do, I have my world to worry about. Peace!

New.Life · Feb 2, 2018

dordomai said:
depends what you are looking for, if you a business with advertising spending you can easily afford a good+short .com domain.

Even the business that already has the best of and most expensive .com domains buying new gTLDs.

The Founder and CEO of Houses.com, Property.com and Condo.com
just bought one of my .Life domain.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...om-my-new-gtld-with-bin.1063365/#post-6553121

JB Lions · Feb 2, 2018

New.Life said:
Even the business that already has the best of and most expensive .com domains buying new gTLDs.

The Founder and CEO of Houses.com, Property.com and Condo.com
just bought one of my .Life domain.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...om-my-new-gtld-with-bin.1063365/#post-6553121

This is probably bad for new gtlds, since if they own names like those .coms, why would they build on a new gtld. Do you know if those buyers have a history of development with new gltds? Big companies buying names and not doing anything with them, no development, no sites, no people see them.

tsat3 · Feb 3, 2018

I am in the process of closing a sale on one of my "first name"(dot)XYZ domains. I agreed to $800.00 for it. I know that's not a fortune, but still pretty good for a new extension. He works for google and wants to use it to test some apps on. It reinforces my feeling that I had when I bought my xyz's that younger and innovative type people would be the ones who want a "different" presence on the web.

Platinums · Feb 3, 2018

tsat3 said:
I am in the process of closing a sale on one of my "first name"(dot)XYZ domains. I agreed to $800.00 for it. I know that's not a fortune, but still pretty good for a new extension. He works for google and wants to use it to test some apps on. It reinforces my feeling that I had when I bought my xyz's that younger and innovative type people would be the ones who want a "different" presence on the web.

800 for .xyz its fortune

dordomai · Feb 3, 2018

New.Life said:
Even the business that already has the best of and most expensive .com domains buying new gTLDs.

The Founder and CEO of Houses.com, Property.com and Condo.com
just bought one of my .Life domain.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...om-my-new-gtld-with-bin.1063365/#post-6553121

how do you know what they are using it for? It could be an URL shortener or brand protection?

If you look you often see larger companies owning dozens of names that never get developed.

https://onlinedomain.com/2016/10/10...book-probably-bought-domain-work-place-50000/

when someone registers or buys a .biz or an .info no one cares or notices, when someone buys an ngTLD it is newsworthy. The question is why is it such big news that an ngTLD sells

?

New.Life · Feb 3, 2018

dordomai said:
when someone registers or buys a .biz or an .info no one cares or notices, when someone buys an ngTLD it is newsworthy. The question is why is it such big news that an ngTLD sells ?

when someone registers or buys a .biz or an .info then you don't come to these threads and don't say that they are sucks! You just ignore them!

But you come to every new threads about new gTLDs, and start talking bad things about them starting in your first message! ..."they are not needed by anyone" and "nobody buys them..."

garptrader said:
IMO these domains should not even be registered much less be priced for sale at a premium price.

That's why you get answers and examples. Just ignore them! And all will be alright!

garptrader · Feb 3, 2018

Dude -congrats on your sale but you are readng WAY Way too much into it. Even you admit it was one of your lower-quality domains. Remember the guy who sold Work.space for like $50 thousand but then a year later there is no development there. Until this domain is used for a real business you just got lucky. Yet you do not see that. So you will continue to register poor-quality domains like the .TOP guy. The reality is most nTLD portfolios are in the red. There is more money to be made in development or just working a regular job than in selling domains.

New.Life · Feb 3, 2018

garptrader said:
Remember the guy who sold Work.space for like $50 thousand but then a year later there is no development there. Until this domain is used for a real business you just got lucky.

The guy who sold Work.place not long ago drop some of his domains....

I registered a few of them. Two of them sold a few days after registration.

One for $3,250 another for $1,000...

I will write about this later. (have a buyer for one more.)
Both domains have websites developed and live.

As well as other domains sold by me. You just will never stop talking about them.

dordomai · Feb 3, 2018

New.Life said:
when someone registers or buys a .biz or an .info then you don't come to these threads and don't say that they are sucks! You just ignore them!

But you come to every new threads about new gTLDs, and start talking bad things about them starting in your first message! ..."they are not needed by anyone" and "nobody buys them..."

you are right but keep in mind that no one creates threads hyping .biz or making unrealistic projections about the future of the extension. Why do you think people being skeptical about new extensions jump on these threads?

Somehow some of the nGTLD guys convinced themselves that must be because they are afraid that their .com investments will decline in value or that they hate them because they envy everyone holding these great new domains.

Truth is that after several years of not seeing any adoption of .brand domans, I do not think that .whatever is threatening to older extensions. I see them more as an alternative than a replacement.

Sure I would say many do not like them and they probably do not help legacy domain business but I think what people do really hate is the constant hype from the registries, the greedy business models and other domainers drinking the kool aid creating their own alternate reality.

It is just a response to the hype that people find frustrating and the lies and half-truths in this business.

A lot of sales in this business simply do not happen, does not matter if .com or any other extensions. A lot is fake in this industry.

Also I do not come to every thread but when I see one I do comment of course. i do not comment on .biz threads because there is no .biz hype.

if we had a daily thread talking about the great future of .biz or how .us will replace .com including ads, sales reports and "excited" bloggers, think I would start disliking these extensions too and start commenting.

If it werent for the hype I probably would not even care.

Brands.International · Feb 3, 2018

Recently I studied which names are choosen by new crypto companies/exchanges - it is almost unbelievable how many of them go for short, nice and clear word1.word2 gTLD combo name.

And I honestly do not think that after some of them become more prominent in future they will rebrand to word1word2.legacyextension form...when you see founders of those companies, in many case 22-30 age range...this is not going to happen, in most cases.

Nothing agaist legacy extensions, full respect, but they are just another investment tool, and new G's are investment tool which can nicely exists in parallel. Some of the businesses will choose new G's, while others will go for legacy extensions. That's all.

As for hype, I do not see any. I wish registries made much more PR everywhere. Until know, we see usually only comments by new gTLD investors, which are private entities - this is as far from hype as I can imagine...maybe we have very different definition of HYPE

bmugford · Feb 3, 2018

lolwarrior said:
As for hype, I do not see any. I wish registries made much more PR everywhere. Until know, we see usually only comments by new gTLD investors, which are private entities - this is as far from hype as I can imagine...maybe we have very different definition of HYPE

Are you serious?

Lately there might be less hype as there is not much going on, other than some rather well timed sales like Home.Loans. Just phenomenal timing right around Namescon...

But I mean from the very start registries were making absurd predictions about the death of .COM.

Throw in Daniel Negari and all his nonsense with .XYZ, Frank Schilling pushing his garbage extensions (.COM is AM radio), absurd projections that were not close to reality, talk about paradigm shifts, new extension fanboys (.TOP for example), etc.

The rhetoric has certainly not matched the reality. There is hardly any hype now because there is limited interest in the real world. Most registries no longer have the money to pay marketing costs and those that do have not found it worthwhile. Their theoretical sales projections don't pay the bills.

Brad

New.Life · Feb 3, 2018

dordomai said:
you are right but keep in mind that no one creates threads hyping .biz or making unrealistic projections about the future of the extension. Why do you think people being skeptical about new extensions jump on these threads?

Somehow some of the nGTLD guys convinced themselves that must be because they are afraid that their .com investments will decline in value or that they hate them because they envy everyone holding these great new domains.

Truth is that after several years of not seeing any adoption of .brand domans, I do not think that .whatever is threatening to older extensions. I see them more as an alternative than a replacement.

Sure I would say many do not like them and they probably do not help legacy domain business but I think what people do really hate is the constant hype from the registries, the greedy business models and other domainers drinking the kool aid creating their own alternate reality.

It is just a response to the hype that people find frustrating and the lies and half-truths in this business.

A lot of sales in this business simply do not happen, does not matter if .com or any other extensions. A lot is fake in this industry.

Also I do not come to every thread but when I see one I do comment of course. i do not comment on .biz threads because there is no .biz hype.

if we had a daily thread talking about the great future of .biz or how .us will replace .com including ads, sales reports and "excited" bloggers, think I would start disliking these extensions too and start commenting.

If it werent for the hype I probably would not even care.

At first, I don't want to talk about new gTLD as about one single extension there are more than a thousand of them on the market.

I like only a few of them. My favorites are: .Life .Club .World .City
Plus those domains where both words to the left of the dot and to the right are ideally suited to each other.

So, if someone register some domains in super exotic extensions they do it at their own discretion and they should rely only on themselves and take responsibility in their own failures only on themselves.

There is nothing wrong with most extensions themselves, but just something is wrong in the words that someone adds to the left of the dot.

Kate · Feb 3, 2018

lolwarrior said:
Recently I studied which names are choosen by new crypto companies/exchanges - it is almost unbelievable how many of them go for short, nice and clear word1.word2 gTLD combo name.

All those up and coming crypto companies will drop soon, and their names will follow.

lolwarrior said:
And I honestly do not think that after some of them become more prominent in future they will rebrand to word1word2.legacyextension form...when you see founders of those companies, in many case 22-30 age range...this is not going to happen, in most cases.

Why, because they are 22-30 ?

dordomai · Feb 3, 2018

lolwarrior said:
Recently I studied which names are choosen by new crypto companies/exchanges - it is almost unbelievable how many of them go for short, nice and clear word1.word2 gTLD combo name.

And I honestly do not think that after some of them become more prominent in future they will rebrand to word1word2.legacyextension form...when you see founders of those companies, in many case 22-30 age range...this is not going to happen, in most cases.

Nothing agaist legacy extensions, full respect, but they are just another investment tool, and new G's are investment tool which can nicely exists in parallel. Some of the businesses will choose new G's, while others will go for legacy extensions. That's all.

As for hype, I do not see any. I wish registries made much more PR everywhere. Until know, we see usually only comments by new gTLD investors, which are private entities - this is as far from hype as I can imagine...maybe we have very different definition of HYPE

I trade crypto quite a bit and I have accounts with maybe 10+ exchanges at least. One thing that I noticed is that almost all of the serious big ones have the .com

Almost exchanges that I have traded had legacy. I might open an account on an nGTLD exchange soon, the first ever - that is because a single coin can be bought there that you can not buy anywhere. It is a rather shady exchange, nothing where I would deposit larger amounts of cash.

Not one single exchange that i used so far has a nGTLD. Some very small ones have an .exchange or .market I think but that is not the rule. Some medium exchanges have an .io and one has a website in a .pro.

The crypto field is hardly mainstream in the smaller operations, these are often fly by night operations which do not care how they are perceived, They go with anything and people do not care really. Crypto is a technology field and people there do not have problems understanding and navigating the net.

the leaders have usually .com

I do not see much difference between crypto and the rest of the internet. Smaller websites can go with anything, but they prefer the .com

This is one of the many distortions of reality that I mentioned. I really do not make anything up. I know the crypto sites and while I believe they have an above average new extensions percentage it is really misleading to say that .whatever is doing well there. It is not. It is a minority.

I find that crypto shows me how little has changed in naming in the past 20 years. It is more less the same, while we live in an entirely different world.

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