Got a "F*ck You" response from a domainer

trap3 said:

And actually the other day i made a sale on Afternic. The email confirmation of this went to my junk folder !
I only spotted it by chance !!

My email client is set to allow afternic as a trusted sender, but it still went to junk.

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Then you need to get google apps and stay away from the free email services. If you are serious about selling you need to have all your emails. I check my spam every day, I do not lose any emails.

Im not trying to screw with you. Im trying to educate you. (hmmm, that sounds rather condescending)
Now do you see why this guy told you 'F U' ? I think others will be.

And im asking you to run polls so you can get other peoples opinions.
I don't think youve been in this business very long from your conduct on this post,
and certainly from your outbound email tactics.

And yet again you berate the 4/6 that didnt reply. Are you really that benighted that you cannot understand there could either be justifiable reasons why they didnt reply, or that they simply did not get your email!

Btw - You could always pick up the phone too.

MapleDots said:

Then you need to get google apps and stay away from the free email services. If you are serious about selling you need to have all your emails. I check my spam every day, I do not lose any emails.

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How do you know i use a free email client ?
How do you know i dont already use google apps ?
Maybe i get 1000s spam every day ?

Yet again you are making very ill judged assumptions.

And are you really incapable of staying on my point I even highlighted it in red. You keep trying to take focus off the fact that the guy received both my inquiries before I berated him. He then lost his cool and a sale.

What is so hard about that, all the other bullcrap you're trying to goat me into is just that BULLCRAP and I don't want to waste time on it.

How many times do I have to say I could care less what one idiot says.
What I consider stupid is his missed opportunity of a sale on the first 2 emails when he for sure got my inquires., because when I called him out on it he lost his cool, rather than attempt a sale.

trap3 said:

How do you know i use a free email client ?
How do you know i dont already use google apps ?
Maybe i get 1000s spam every day ?

Yet again you are making very ill judged assumptions.

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Yup, I must be, I forgot I'm dealing with Mr Mike Mann here who gets thousands of spams per day

I started a dialogue on this thread and its you that keeps going away from the points ive been trying to make.

I get what your trying to say, but you need to accept that it was your tactics and attitude and condescending manner that blew any chance of making a deal.

And again... look at the red..... we had no deal, I blew him off on purpose.

I am trying to understand why the industry feels justified in ignoring LEGITIMATE inquiries and the some dickheads defend this as good business practice. Really now!!

Can I be more clear.

Why the fuck do I care what else you want to talk to me about.

MapleDots said:

Yup, I must be, I forgot I'm dealing with Mr Mike Mann here who gets thousands of spams per day

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Again. More seriously uneducated ill judged assumptions by you.

Do you think everyone on here is a full time domainer ?
Some of us run businesses as well. Some of us do this part time.
Some of us do this for fun. Some of us do a combination of these things.

Some of us have been around online since the 90s. Some since the 00s.
Some of us since the begining of the decade. Some a few months !

So some of us get a few spam. Some get 100s. Some get 1000s.
Some get 10000s. And there are different methods of dealing with this.
Not all are full proof. And im guessing your spam is in single - double digits a day.

Oh and some of us have many different email addresses.
Some of us have a few and some of us have one.

MapleDots said:

And again... look at the red..... we had no deal, I blew him off on purpose.

I am trying to understand why the industry feels justified in ignoring LEGITIMATE inquiries and the some dickheads defend this as good business practice. Really now!!

Can I be more clear.

Why the f*ck do I care what else you want to talk to me about.

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I never defended it as good business practice. I just said you can understand why you got that response.

trap3 said:

I never defended it as good business practice. I just said you can understand why you got that response.

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Yes of course, that is not in question, I evoked that response.

The question is the fact that he for sure received two legitimate inquiries and finally answered when I basically (in not so many words) told him he was a moron business man. He then responded FU instead of apologizing and quoting a price.

He had a sale.... god dammit.... is that so hard to understand.

I'm trying to tell you it was a cheap ass domain and he screwed up a sale. He had the thing for sale for 3 years and it was a plural of what I had. Realistically I would not have gotten more than 1.5 k for both.

He could have moved inventory but was a lazy ass and I told him he was. He got offended and instead of coming back with a price he decided an insult was better. He could have said, sorry did not see your email.... xx,xxx and that would have been it.

Is that your business style?

NOW DON'T TRY TO GOAT ME INTO ANY OTHER SHIT BECAUSE ITS NOT HAPPENING.

NOW DON'T START THE SPAM BULLSHIT BECAUSE HE GOT MY EMAILS, I'M NOT HERE TO DISCUSS EMAIL LOGISTICS.

He might NOT of gotten your emails. How do you know he got both?
He might be a millionaire and not need your money.
He might be highly principled and not want to do business with someone who talks to him like that.
He might of been on vacation and only just got back.
His family could of been killed by a pack of escaped meth fuelled baboons and he was in mourning.
He might get 1000s of emails a week regarding domains and hadnt gotten around to replying.
He might just sell domains part time or by chance and not have a proper system set up.

How you do things isnt how everyone else does things, and that can be said about everyone and everything.

and btw i dont like GOATS !

Yup all that for someone carrying 30 .ca domains

He has advertised in for 3 years not wanting to sell it. (don't lose the sarcasm)
I talked very courteous and professional for two inquiries before I told him he needed to smarten up and answer inquiries.

I assure you there are not a lot of millionaire .ca domainers out there.

By the way.... I'm still not mad at him.

I'm mad at the ignorance of anyone considering themselves to be a legitimate domainer to defend such an action. To defend not replying to inbounds. Seriously, there are a lot of short comings here and when I see an otherwise good domainer trying to defend a non response when all the criteria of this input fields, forms etc where met then for the first time I would be at a loss for words.

It's not about him not getting the emails, he responded, he got them, he was stupid for how he lost the sale.

Are you still trying to defend that?
If you are I have to move you to the 50% group of clueless morons that share the planet with us on a daily basis.

right, but the rest of the possible scenerios i listed are valid yeah?

and for hours , days probably, your still missing the main point.

how do you know he received your other 2 inquiries ? 100% how do you know ?

and i may of missed something, how do you know he has had it up for sale 3 years and didnt want to sell?
again there are almost limitless reasons and scenerios why a domain might be showing somewhere or on the domain itself that is for sale and its not sold or inquires are not always answered etc etc

seriously, you need to expand the shades of grey you examine, so your vision of this world isnt so narrow. you might find the meaning of life in there somewhere and enlighten us all

trap3 said:

right, but the rest of the possible scenerios i listed are valid yeah?

and for hours , days probably, your still missing the main point.

how do you know he received your other 2 inquiries ? 100% how do you know ?

and i may of missed something, how do you know he has had it up for sale 3 years and didnt want to sell?
again there are almost limitless reasons and scenerios why a domain might be showing somewhere or on the domain itself that is for sale and its not sold or inquires are not always answered etc etc

seriously, you need to expand the shades of grey you examine, so your vision of this world isnt so narrow. you might find the meaning of life in there somewhere and enlighten us all

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I've had my eye on it for a while.

Because I used his response form twice and then a 3rd time to tell him he was foolish for passing up a sale without at least even attempting to quote price. I specifically used his specified method of response to a for sales lander.

How do you know he got the first two emails? Maybe he only got the third ?
You said he didnt respond to the first two. Like i said before there are many many reasons why he may not of gotten or replied to your first two emails.

Also How do you know he considers himself as a legitimate domainer ?
example. loads of people have countless domains they have bought , but they arent necessarily a domainer. Again there are a whole bunch of reasons why. They might like collecting. They might of bought the domain for development but never gotten around to it. All sorts.

Btw, another thing. If you use online contact forms. Mail gets lost still. Mysql or php problems. Server settings. Mail settings. Server hacked. Mail sent to junk. Having a contact form doesnt mean the recipient is guaranteed to get the message.

MapleDots said:

I've had my eye on it for a while.

Because I used his response form twice and then a 3rd time to tell him he was foolish for passing up a sale without at least even attempting to quote price. I specifically used his specified method of response to a for sales lander.

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How does that establish that you know 100% he got the emails both times ?
Your going to outrageous lengths to prove he did. But your just proving your ignorance. Really sorry.
A 3rd party reading all this, would not need me to elaborate why I am saying this.
And, im not going to waste more time on a lost cause.

Bottom line. Learn from this experience and consider communicating in a more respectful fashion to get what you want. You will find you get less F u's

You're beating a dead horse, maybe that's fun for you but I'll let you have the fun in the barn without me.

He got the contact forms, that part is not in question. He is a domainer, he has 30 domains for sale, that is not in question.

Really you are presenting me with bullshit and you keep bringing up crap I don't want to discuss.

Open up a topic to discuss why your are incapable of getting emails and what domainers should do to solve the problem. I don't give a shit about your email questions and comments. Fact is , he got them now leave me the hell alone and go somewhere where I don't have to keep repeating myself.

I just noticed that the domain in question is .ca ; to better understand everything, can somebody enlighten me and other non-Canadian members is there an _active_ aftermarket for .ca domains, which I beleive only Canadians can register, how "adavnced" said aftermarket is, and, what an expected price of <something-cool>.ca might be if there a reported sale (or asking price) of lets say $10000 for the same in .com ? Very short of course, just a few sentences...

tonyk2000 said:

I just noticed that the domain in question is .ca ; to better understand everything, can somebody enlighten me and other non-Canadian members is there an _active_ aftermarket for .ca domains, which I beleive only Canadians can register, how "adavnced" said aftermarket is, and, what an expected price of <something-cool>.ca might be if there a reported sale (or asking price) of lets say $10000 for the same in .com ? Very short of course, just a few sentences...

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I sell most .ca's in the 1-1.5k range but have had a few sales for 5k. I have tried to buy 3 letter primes for 25k and not gotten them. That said a 25k sale is considered exemplary so I was surprised not to win the domains.

When a domain expires it goes to drop and everyone has the same chance of getting it. It's first come first serve and you pay a registrar with a script and a fast server to go hit the database as fast as possible when the name is released. Average cost for that is 59 bucks.

I bought my business .ca for 5k in 2006 and it was a 3 letter.

Every month there is a TBR (to be released list) that everyone competes over.
Godaddy and all the crooks are cut out of expires completely.

GoDaddy can list a .ca for sale but not at expiry.

Ok. Yes. We have established he has contact forms. I've outlined the possibilities regarding the possible issues. What dont you accept about the possibilities and why? I keep explaining in detail. You just repeat and rant incoherently and get abusive lol. However, i do understand your frustration

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Ok. Yes. He has 30 domains for sale so hes a domainer. Really? Why?
Ever thought he owns some domains and has them for sale just on the off chance he might get an offer he likes ? Maybe they are sitting there waiting to be developed. I have loads like that myself. Many here will do.

You say you dont give a sh1t about my email comments. Yet here we still are talking about it. And you still havent offered any evidence that proves he reeceived and read the first two.

You keep evading answering the question. The only answer is that your doing so because you do not know 100%, and on that it is you flogging the dead horse lol. Cmon be serious.

btw - Im actually responding to your comments. So if i am bringing up 'crap' its replying to your crap.

Anyway, good night and good luck!

Little bit about responding on emails.
I was flipping apps and was very surprised about bad communication style from my overseas customers.
In country, where I live, it is common to respond to mails, and to start mail with hello or hey or etc and end with thanks, regards or something like that. But biggest part of my customers from America, Canada, Australia didn't bothered themselves with writing back something more than couple words in responses.
Typical responses was - "yes", "no", "what price", "I ll pay $5 for that", "will give u $5for that" and more in such style. And even that was misspelled often. It looks like they does not know even how to write full sentence. Only one customer from Nebraska was which I was glad to communicate with, because he wrote more that 2 words and he was writing Hello and thanks and regards etc. I understand, if people does not know language, but for all of them English was first and maybe even only language they know.
I think it is just bad manners and negligence and disrespect, because in situations when other part need something from me then they can write quite good responses. It is such "I am king and all you are just f***ing spammers, I'll pay you $5 so you have to do all I want.... i don't have a 2 seconds time to write Hello or Thanks for such worthless people".

Is it really so hard to write Hello and Best wishes in email?
Or it is consuming too much time?

been getting a ton of $200 offers on great one word and crypto domains....he may have just gotten fed up with low offers and reacted