discuss Meaning.....com, .net, .org, .today, .live

ThatNameGuy · Jan 8, 2018

Even at 70 years ~~old~~ of age, I despise it when people say, "that's the way we've always done it". I'm a contrarian at heart, and I've always believed there's a better way. I bet if you asked 100 non domainers what .com stands for today, maybe one could tell you it stands for "commercial". At least with .net most would guess it stands for "internet", and .org stands for "organization"

This is why I believe some of the new TLD extensions like .today and .live will be successful. The words today and live are what most everyone would agree are "action words". To further make my point, if the internet started today which of these extensions would you click;

sex.com
sex.net
sex.org
sex.today
sex.live

Heck, if I didn't know better, I may have thought .com stood for communism

Anyone besides this 'ol DomainDrunk get it!

Bulloney

ps. attn. NamePros moderator...please leave this post for where it was intended "General Domain Discussion" Thank you.

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ThatNameGuy · Jan 10, 2018

eurorealtor said:
Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

I agree eurorealtor. I use to follow Overstock and it's controversial CEO Patrick Byrne. He's always been on the cutting edge of just about everything. In the case of .co, I'm sure he'd say he was just before his time.

ThatNameGuy · Jan 10, 2018

eurorealtor said:
Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

eurorealtor...I want to thank you for mentioning Overstock. It's been a little over 10 years, but I was very involved in some controversial issues with regards to their accounting practices (i was on their side). As a result of your post, I will attempt to renew an old relationship with Patrick Byrne, Overstock's CEO. As a matter of fact, I see where Overstock and Patrick are in the process of turning itself into a Bitcoin Tech company as seen here; http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/18/news/companies/overstock-ico-ceo-byrne/index.html.

To renew my old relationship with Patrick Byrne, I just picked up the domain, RevolutionStarts.today. Just maybe Patrick will help me start the all new gTLD revolution. Thanks again.

Bulloney

Steven McEvoy · Jan 10, 2018

Bulloney said:
Anyone besides this 'ol DomainDrunk get it!

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Looks like you just started you’re own domain business. I guess we will be seeing a blog here soon.

Bean · Jan 10, 2018

Bulloney said:
So if Sex.com sold for 13M, what do you think Sex.Life, Sex.Live or Sex.Today should sell for?

As much as I like the idea of new gTLD's, I don't think they'll ever be able to match the power of .com.

1) .com achieved its dominance at a time when there were only a handful of extensions to choose from. These days with 100's of extensions around, it's highly unlikely that any single extension will be able to rise that high above the rest.

2) The greatest strength of new gTLDs also happens to be their greatest weakness. What makes the new gTLDs special is the fact that they are truly unique. For example, there can only be 1 live.sex domain. This domain points to a very specific construct with a precision and efficiency that no other extension can match. In 'livesex.com', for instance, there are 3 unneeded characters plus you have to mentally separate the words 'live' and 'sex' when reading the name. 'livesex' doesn't look as clean as 'live sex'.
The downside of high precision extensions is that while a few keywords will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't. Of course that's how the new extensions were intended. However this means that the number of users of most new gTLD will always be small compared to something like .com or .net.
How does that affect the price? People feel more comfortable when they're part of bigger groups rather than smaller ones. There is also a stronger sense of belonging when you can relate to the rest of the group on a more equal term.
.com being generic means that whenever a .com sells, regardless of the name, everyone in the .com group shares the excitement to some degree and gains confidence about the potential of their own .coms. This subtle and continuous build up of energy/hype within the original generic TLDs spheres is what gives them their power.
When live.sex sells, very few owners of .sex can tap into the energy of the sale and even then the sense of empowerment is negligible because live.sex is a combination of 2 unique words without any generic overseer.

Sorry guys, brain diarrhea

I'll stop here or else I'll just go on and on

Silentptnr · Jan 10, 2018

It's like this to me.....sort of.

.com = bitcoin
.net = litecoin
.org = ether
ngTLDs = all other alt-coins

And so on. Other alt-coins/ngTLDs might climb to the value of Bitcoin/.com, but nobody really knows with absolute certainty.

ThatNameGuy · Jan 10, 2018

Bean said:
As much as I like the idea of new gTLD's, I don't think they'll ever be able to match the power of .com.

1) .com achieved its dominance at a time when there were only a handful of extensions to choose from. These days with 100's of extensions around, it's highly unlikely that any single extension will be able to rise that high above the rest.

2) The greatest strength of new gTLDs also happens to be their greatest weakness. What makes the new gTLDs special is the fact that they are truly unique. For example, there can only be 1 live.sex domain. This domain points to a very specific construct with a precision and efficiency that no other extension can match. In 'livesex.com', for instance, there are 3 unneeded characters plus you have to mentally separate the words 'live' and 'sex' when reading the name. 'livesex' doesn't look as clean as 'live sex'.
The downside of high precision extensions is that while a few keywords will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't. Of course that's how the new extensions were intended. However this means that the number of users of most new gTLD will always be small compared to something like .com or .net.
How does that affect the price? People feel more comfortable when they're part of bigger groups rather than smaller ones. There is also a stronger sense of belonging when you can relate to the rest of the group on a more equal term.
.com being generic means that whenever a .com sells, regardless of the name, everyone in the .com group shares the excitement to some degree and gains confidence about the potential of their own .coms. This subtle and continuous build up of energy/hype within the original generic TLDs spheres is what gives them their power.
When live.sex sells, very few owners of .sex can tap into the energy of the sale and even then the sense of empowerment is negligible because live.sex is a combination of 2 unique words without any generic overseer.

Sorry guys, brain diarrhea I'll stop here or else I'll just go on and on

Bean said, "As much as I like the idea of new gTLD's, I don't think they'll ever be able to match the power of .com."....I totally agree.....but what I don't agree with is your statement, "while a few key words will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't." I happen to have accumulated a few hundred "key words" that fit "perfectly" with my extensions, imho. Ex. Custody.today, AquaSports.live and Weigh.today. I have a few hundred like these, and their equivelant .coms appraise for 10K plus. I bought most of these for under $5, so unless you think they're worth just 1/2000 or 2 tenths of 1% of the .coms, you really don't understand where I'm coming from.

BaileyUK · Jan 10, 2018

It's both Likeable and entertaining to read your posts my friend. And I totally understand your enthusiasm. it's pretty much where we all started-out. ie, What's left on the shelf for me to work with (it was No different from my start in 1999) Trust me the best stuff in .com had long gone even then. I agree there will always be new markets and maybe you will see some of your domains come into fruition - but it is probably going to be a long wait.

my logic back in 1999/2000 was well seeing all the com's are gone surely the .NET must gain traction, it did for a while but didn't hold out for more than a few years. Then I found I could explore new technologies and try to pre-guess the words/terms that would gain popularity and traction and Yep, I found my niche back in the world of dot com.

Now obviously I had to wait many years for my "discoverable" words to become mainstream and thankfully a good many have. I don't see a lot of difference in your game-plan but, those 'full-price' renewals when they come around year after year are going to hurt

ThatNameGuy · Jan 10, 2018

BaileyUK said:
It's both Likeable and entertaining to read your posts my friend. And I totally understand your enthusiasm. it's pretty much where we all started-out. ie, What's left on the shelf for me to work with (it was No different from my start in 1999) Trust me the best stuff in .com had long gone even then. I agree there will always be new markets and maybe you will see some of your domains come into fruition - but it is probably going to be a long wait.

my logic back in 1999/2000 was well seeing all the com's are gone surely the .NET must gain traction, it did for a while but didn't hold out for more than a few years. Then I found I could explore new technologies and try to pre-guess the words/terms that would gain popularity and traction and Yep, I found my niche back in the world of dot com.

Now obviously I had to wait many years for my "discoverable" words to become mainstream and thankfully a good many have. I don't see a lot of difference in your game-plan but, those 'full-price' renewals when they come around year after year are going to hurt

I gave you a "like" Bailey, but I couldn't disagree more. I know you're formerly a "company guy", and that's the way company guys think. As you know I'm 70 years ~~old~~ experienced, and while I believe I have another 10-15 years of entrepreneurial drive left, I'm going to do my best to "Make Something Happen", note, I've owned the domain, "MakeSomethingHappen.com" since 2001. Like I've said, and others at Namepro's have told me, end users aren't coming to me looking for my domains. Guess what, I agree. Thus, my business and marketing instincts tell me I have to go to them......agree or disagree? Friends, peers and colleagues that I've spoken with don't have a clue

However, when I'm able to explain....VOILA!....they get it! Like I've been saying, therein lies the Opportunity.today !

Bulloney

Recons.Com · Jan 10, 2018

eurorealtor said:
Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

Actually leaking traffic is not as bad of a problem, as "leaking reputation".

From my observation, the leak, especially with browsers now actively suggesting a site name as you type, is not that much, probably in 0.01% to 0.5% of traffic.

But, the bigger problem is that a) some of your clients/counterparts automatically make some unwanted conclusions (couldn't get their own .com, how do they do the rest of their business?); b) some of your clients will forget the extension you were at (was it .co, was it .net, was it ....)

.com of a great acronym, word, combo etc. gives instant first impression that is very important.

ThatNameGuy · Jan 11, 2018

Recons.Com said:
Actually leaking traffic is not as bad of a problem, as "leaking reputation".

From my observation, the leak, especially with browsers now actively suggesting a site name as you type, is not that much, probably in 0.01% to 0.5% of traffic.

But, the bigger problem is that a) some of your clients/counterparts automatically make some unwanted conclusions (couldn't get their own .com, how do they do the rest of their business?); b) some of your clients will forget the extension you were at (was it .co, was it .net, was it ....)

.com of a great acronym, word, combo etc. gives instant first impression that is very important.

You said, "couldn't get their own .com, how do they do the rest of their business?" Excuse me? Never thought of that for one minute, and I've been accessing the internet for 30 years. And Sex.Live doesn't make an instant first impression? I guess if you're a Eunuch

Bean · Jan 11, 2018

Bulloney said:
Bean said, "As much as I like the idea of new gTLD's, I don't think they'll ever be able to match the power of .com."....I totally agree.....but what I don't agree with is your statement, "while a few key words will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't." I happen to have accumulated a few hundred "key words" that fit "perfectly" with my extensions, imho. Ex. Custody.today, AquaSports.live and Weigh.today. I have a few hundred like these, and their equivelant .coms appraise for 10K plus. I bought most of these for under $5, so unless you think they're worth just 1/2000 or 2 tenths of 1% of the .coms, you really don't understand where I'm coming from.

I actually meant to elaborate a little more on this very point but somehow it slipped my mind, my bad.
There is one element missing from my line "while a few keywords will fit perfectly, the vast majority won't" that validates your point. I avoided mentioning it here because it complicates things and somewhat dilutes the gist of the point I was trying to make. This element is 'time'. I meant to tackle it from a different angle but forgot

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Given enough time, literally anything can be made to work with anything else, this means that even the most obscure word combinations can/will eventually amount to something.
While a name like 'live.sex' would probably still have held powerful meaning a thousand years ago, it is clear that something like 'vr.sex' would've most definitely been met with 'huh?'.
If a connection can be made between 2 objects, it will be explored eventually. Knowledge/humanity works by relentlessly trying to explore and assimilate every possible connections out there. In such a pursuit, physical/technological limitations mean that time is a factor. It'll take time before some of the more obscure object combinations are fully explored and are ready to be concretized/monetized.
What this translates to in the domaining world is the amount of time one would have to wait to find an end-user.

learie · Jan 11, 2018

Please tell us...

learie · Jan 11, 2018

Bulloney said:
My point exactly....even you're confused. "Probably most, if not all would recognize the extension", then you say, "Ask those same 100 about any of these new ones and watch the confused looks you'll see on their faces".And therein lies the opportunity.today.....note that opportunity.com appraises for >$25,000. Guess what I paid for it?

Please tell us...

Amar D · Jan 11, 2018

One of the very first Top-Level Domains (TLD) established in January 1985, .com has since grown to become the world's most popular TLD. Dozens of other TLDs are now available, but no matter how many new extensions may be added, everyone agrees — .com is still the “Rodeo Drive of the Web.”

ThatNameGuy · Jan 12, 2018

learie said:
Please tell us...[/QUOTE

1.99 for opportunity.today

Recons.Com · Jan 12, 2018

Bulloney said:
You said, "couldn't get their own .com, how do they do the rest of their business?" Excuse me? Never thought of that for one minute, and I've been accessing the internet for 30 years. And Sex.Live doesn't make an instant first impression? I guess if you're a Eunuch

1. You should never assume that you just by yourself represent the whole market. You never thought, but the most important client for a business might.

2. Even if a decent/great keyword .gtld won't hurt you, it will most probably not impress the way .com would. Imagine, you tell your prospective partner that you want to cooperate with them on your project at mortgage.com or you are raising funding for your project at love.com etc.

3. We are generalizing here. No one denies that certain keywords might make a great combo. Sometimes it is not even a combo, it is a hack. Sex.Live is a great domain, but compare it to sex.com. But if you have your company name as "Word+Word", the domain everyone is expecting and getting impressed by would be WordWord.com and not WordWord.Live. And Word.Word might be found by people witty and fun, but in the end your business needs more than that in most of the cases.

Generally, I would only agree to build a business on gtld only if I owned also word+gtld.com as well.

ThatNameGuy · Jan 12, 2018

Recons.Com said:
1. You should never assume that you just by yourself represent the whole market. You never thought, but the most important client for a business might.

2. Even if a decent/great keyword .gtld won't hurt you, it will most probably not impress the way .com would. Imagine, you tell your prospective partner that you want to cooperate with them on your project at mortgage.com or you are raising funding for your project at love.com etc.

3. We are generalizing here. No one denies that certain keywords might make a great combo. Sometimes it is not even a combo, it is a hack. Sex.Live is a great domain, but compare it to sex.com. But if you have your company name as "Word+Word", the domain everyone is expecting and getting impressed by would be WordWord.com and not WordWord.Live. And Word.Word might be found by people witty and fun, but in the end your business needs more than that in most of the cases.

Generally, I would only agree to build a business on gtld only if I owned also word+gtld.com as well.

Recons...thanks for your input. While I agree that gTLD will never replace or contend with .com in my lifetime

, I just see them as alternatives when .com's simply aren't available. btw, it's been my experience and observation that business compatible .com domains aren't available most of the time. As I've said, 20% of my gTLD's are word+gtld, and it would make sense for me to own the .com as a backup. As for 2xwords like FreePizza.today that I purchased for just 1.99, I wouldn't take any less than $1,000 until such time I've had an opportunity to market/sell it to pizza entrepreneurs everywhere, and that includes the likes of Domino's, Pappa Johns and Pizza Hut. I just can't imagine consumers not clicking on FreePizza.today because it's NOT a .com? How about FreeCash.today? Imagine that on a Billboard, or anywhere on the internet. Does any of this make sense to you?

Thanks again Recons

Bulloney

Kate · Jan 12, 2018

Something to consider is the issue of credibility: I have noticed that blogs, news outlets, PR sites etc praising new extensions are usually using .com domains and just running advertorials. So readers are not impressed overall. They may think nTLDs are cool but not for them.

Now imagine, as a domainer/marketer/whatever, you are going to be an evangelist for new extensions and approach end users. There is always some expectations that people lead by example. End users will look at your profile, your track record, your businesses and they will notice they are all on .com domains, so why would they act on somebody's advice, who wouldn't take his own medicine ?

ThatNameGuy · Jan 12, 2018

Kate said:
Something to consider is the issue of credibility: I have noticed that blogs, news outlets, PR sites etc praising new extensions are usually using .com domains and just running advertorials. So readers are not impressed overall. They may think nTLDs are cool but not for them.

Now imagine, as a domainer/marketer/whatever, you are going to be an evangelist for new extensions and approach end users. There is always some expectations that people lead by example. End users will look at your profile, your track record, your businesses and they will notice they are all on .com domains, so why would they act on somebody's advice, who wouldn't take his own medicine ?

Duh...not sure why I'm even responding to you until such time you apologize for your behavior, but why do you think I own DomainDeals.today and DomainRevolution.live....you realli don't think outside the box do you? Yet you have the unmitigated gall to accuse me of cybersquatting

ThatNameGuy · Jan 13, 2018

Kate said:
Something to consider is the issue of credibility: I have noticed that blogs, news outlets, PR sites etc praising new extensions are usually using .com domains and just running advertorials. So readers are not impressed overall. They may think nTLDs are cool but not for them.

Now imagine, as a domainer/marketer/whatever, you are going to be an evangelist for new extensions and approach end users. There is always some expectations that people lead by example. End users will look at your profile, your track record, your businesses and they will notice they are all on .com domains, so why would they act on somebody's advice, who wouldn't take his own medicine ?

Kate...since responding to you about your absurd and ridiculous assumptions about me, I just wanted to share with you and your NamePros domain allies that I registered FreeDomains.today. Besides you thinking, "why that little Sh**tHole, he can't do that", you haven't a clue how I intend to use this new gTLD to monetize ALL the domains I own. While you still owe me an apology, I owe you a big thank you for encouraging me to think even more outside the box

Bulloney

ThatNameGuy · Jan 15, 2018

eurorealtor said:
Look at .co (not too long ago) many "Domainers" tried to make it work as Company, and few end users tried it the hard way (ex. overstock - o.co), but it failed IMO. Whoever build the business on .co, they will always loose traffic over the .com version, because whatever .com means, "non domainers" always knows that .com belong in the end of a keyword/sentence. (at least in the US)

New gTLD?
In 2006 Eurid introduced .eu (big expectation), there was a few xxx,xxx EUR sales right away (ex. apartments .eu / Hotels .eu / shopping .eu) but everyone learned people in the EU prefer their own ccTLD, in few cases .net / .org / .com even .info.

I bet you didn't know the managing director of NamePro's Edward Zeiden owns a .co site similar to Overstock. Check this out; http://www.zeiden.co/
I guess if .co is good enough for the head of NamePro, .today and .live are good enough for me. I wonder if Ed may want to help promote.today?

Bulloney

dordomai · Jan 15, 2018

Bulloney said:
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I guess if .co is good enough for the head of NamePro, .today and .live are good enough for me. I wonder if

.co is popular because it closely resembles .com which is too expensive for many if you want a good kw.

.today does not resemble any known extension, it has a much different appearance.

also .co is selling from time to time while .today is mostly dead and will never see much usage in the real world. That is why some keywords are still available for buying.

ThatNameGuy · Jan 15, 2018

dordomai said:
.co is popular because it closely resembles .com which is too expensive for many if you want a good kw.

.today does not resemble any known extension, it has a much different appearance.

also .co is selling from time to time while .today is mostly dead and will never see much usage in the real world. That is why some keywords are still available for buying.

Thanks dordomai.....but I'm banking on the "average consumer" who might see FREEANYTHING.today clicking on it out of curiosity

Last I checked "Free" is a kw, "Pizza" is a kw, and even "Today" is a kw. So when you combine the three, VOILA! I'm guessing your next question will be, "assuming you're able to drive a lot of traffic by offering free stuff, then what?" My answer, DUH! and I'll just leave it at that.

Thanks again...I really appreciate your input

Bulloney

Premiums · Feb 12, 2018

whatabout.today

ThatNameGuy · Feb 12, 2018

Premiums said:
whatabout.today

I like it, but I'm not sure what it could be used for? A lot of my .today domains sell product like FreePizza.today or CheapAir.today or DiamondSale.today. On another note, I'm learning more every day about the confusion surrounding the nTLD's. Not only are consumers afraid to click on them because they're not familiar with them, but they're afraid they're just a hack/trap. Thus, the need for EDUCATION!!!

Bulloney

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