Sharjil Saleem shill bidding again on Flippa

How did this thread move to for sale section?

equity78 said:

How did this thread move to for sale section?

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Lol weird. Anywho let us know if a new thread is started OP and others.

going though whole thread, here is analysis of the case.

1st possiblity
Let say wrong bidder put $160,000 instead $16,000, such a mistake changes $144,000 which i think nobody on earth would honor this mistake unless he is billionaire domainer. and if wrong bidder is not shill bidder then simply would communicate with seller and say it is mistake and ask for removal. so Flippa support would solve the issue, however Flippa support decided to suspend wrong bidder account which seems to be suspicious case here.

2nd possibility
Wrong bidder put wrong bid and did not come back again and let his account suspended? that would be weird... if a person intend to put $16,000 on domain auction, i would only think this is serious domainer bid. And why would serious domainer try to buy LLL.com, put wrong bid, do not come back and let account get suspended? This doesn't make sense. Flippa makes Id verification and serious domainer would not let his account get suspended such easy. At least would try to communicate first. and it's such mistake $144k as nobody can't force you to honor it.

3rd possibility
Wrong bidder is some unknown end user or non-domainer personality, decided to check domain auction platform and put $160,000 bid on domain auction??? we all know how hard to find end user... and convince them to buy domains even for XXX - XXXX prices very diffucult... I would think any of domainer is too naive to think if this is the case or unknown person put his bid for buying domain for $160,000 from auction platform lol.. too good to be true.

so, from case analysis it seems like 1st possibility is more possible than others.

Grilled said:

@Eric Lyon - Do you know if the sale of Shelly.com finalized on NamePros?

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I checked my DM with James Rodman to refresh my memory. He told me he was using escrow.com and didn't mention anything else in that DM.

equity78 said:

How did this thread move to for sale section?

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Rule 2.3. We do not allow threads about active auctions to be discussed anywhere outside of the marketplace.

Apprich said:

1st possiblity
Let say wrong bidder put $160,000 instead $16,000, such a mistake changes $144,000 which i think nobody on earth would honor this mistake unless he is billionaire domainer.

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The bidder wasn't required to honor their $160,000 bid since it was still under reserve.

Grilled said:

The bidder wasn't required to honor their $160,000 bid since it was still under reserve.

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That makes more suspicious, only shill bidder know the actual reserve price, so could put bid below reserve.

Grilled said:

The bidder wasn't required to honor their $160,000 bid since it was still under reserve.

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Right and the whole problem about this is an industry that wants to thump its chest that it's so big and legitimate has about as much transparency as 4Chan.

Bidder 1, Bidder 2 ? This is real money, have some kind of identifier, GoDaddy, Flippa refuse this, one has to wonder why, NameJet and DropCatch have no problems accomplishing it. Would it end all of the shenanigans ? No because anyone good at conning can rip off any marketplace, but most are not good and everyone else would be able to at least identify bad players and report them and or stay away from them. Change is needed.

Eric Lyon said:

His account was restricted and the entire situation that led to that was explained here (in 2015): https://www.namepros.com/threads/fantasize-com-bid-now.874975/page-2#post-4993628

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That's a pretty messed up situation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think if @ksusha64 wanted to leave a negative trade review for @Sharjil then it would be completely warranted...

First he tries to argue that @ksusha64 didn't win after 72 hours had surpassed since his last bid...









After @ksusha64 won Fantasize.com for $X,XXX, @Sharjil and/or the domain owner comes up with a story about a reserve? If he thought NP had reserves, then why wasn't a reserve stated in OP?

Furthermore, Sharjil reports to NameBio, that later that year he sold the domain for $7,000. Currently, the domain is for sale by Mike Mann with a BIN of $149,888.

FWIW, the flippa domain auction in question is Fav.com and it appears to be a live site. The WHOIS owner appears to be Jordan Sag using a @ Sagittarius.com email address.

In December 2008, Fav.com was reported sold at Sedo auction for $17,700.

https://sedo.com/search/details/?aid=46380


FAV.com is also for sale on MediaOptions.com with a $150,000 asking price [under brokered domains] Hence, I wonder if the $160,000 bid in question didn't hit reserve, how high is the actual reserve? Is this or could this have turned into one of those next bid win type auctions?

https://www.mediaoptions.com/brokered-domains/fav-com

Well, another long thread with all sorts of oddball things in it. You guys all post interesting things that shed light on a host of topics. Thanks @Grilled for all the data. This raises many questions. Looking forward to the article @equity78 . Hopefully you can write up more than what has been presented here.

Based on the above post, my understanding with the above broker is they have exclusive listings for at least 90 days- so how could FAV be offered on flippa auction simultaneously on a website by another broker? Is this another case of "Partnering"? Was the seller aware of exclusivity and ignored it or did not know it?, and agreed to list with more than one broker?

the obv potential answers are A. it was non-exclusive B. the original brokerage agreement expired or C. this is a brand new web page listing. D. it was forgotten on the website and not removed prior to being on flippa.

E. ????? who is the $160K bidder, how can this platform be trusted with this bidder 1, bidder 2 like process? @FlippaDomains

offthehandle said:

Well, another long thread with all sorts of oddball things in it. You guys all post interesting things that shed light on a host of topics. Thanks @Grilled for all the data. This raises many questions. Looking forward to the article @equity78 . Hopefully you can write up more than what has been presented here.

Based on the above post, my understanding with the above broker is they have exclusive listings for at least 90 days- so how could FAV be offered on flippa auction simultaneously on a website by another broker? Is this another case of "Partnering"? Was the seller aware of exclusivity and ignored it or did not know it?, and agreed to list with more than one broker?

the obv potential answers are A. it was non-exclusive B. the original brokerage agreement expired or C. this is a brand new web page listing. D. it was forgotten on the website and not removed prior to being on flippa.

E. ????? who is the $160K bidder, how can this platform be trusted with this bidder 1, bidder 2 like process? @FlippaDomains

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Nope, I have the Exc contract with the Seller for this one.

Grilled said:

I am sooo confused to what happened here... The additional info of Shelly.com isn't instantly helping clarify things...

Here is the NameJet auction record of the $35K Shelly.com sale.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160813...ctions/StandardDetails.aspx?auctionid=3822166
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However, according to @ErwanKina LinkedIn page. He recently closed Shelly.com for $35,000. Maybe it sold twice for $35,000?

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The domain is now for sale on BrandBucket.with a $120k asking price. WHOIS shows @brandsly as the owner.

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Hi, yes I did sell Shelly.com during the 2016 Summer at $35000, on NameJet.

Sharjil said:

Nope, I have the Exc contract with the Seller for this one.

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How long have you had the exc contract?

Do you know if the owner had listed the domain with MediaOptions prior to giving you the exc contract? Could the $150,000 landing page be leftover from a previous brokerage contract? or...?

ErwanKina said:

Hi, yes I did sell Shelly.com during the 2016 Summer at $35000, on NameJet.

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Thanks for confirming. I was (and still am) a little confused to the broker connection between you and @Sharjil. Then I just looked at the thread where most people (including myself) became aware of @ErwanKina as a new young domain investor who represented a 20 million dollar domain investment fund HERE

In the interview, you state that you and Sharjil are partners. Does that mean you two work on domains together when one of yall receive a domain listing? Am I mistaken by the extent or use of the word partner? At some point after the interview, Sharjils credibility was called into question, and extreme caution was recommended. Not sure what all transpired to warrant such a warning. Tagging the blog editor for possible further clarification @James Iles

@ksusha64 -- Not sure if you caught this, but the fantasize.com debacle was mentioned in the breakroom HERE. Apparently @Sharjil had started a second NamePros auction for the same domain he sold you? Then you commented on the second auction, rightfully upset, that @Sharjil didn't honor his auction sale to you?

S-B said:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/fantasize-com-bid-now.874975/

https://www.namepros.com/threads/fantasize-com-start-2000.877462/

The 1st auction's winner commented in the 2nd auction saying the seller didn't honor the sale yet it still has been approved by NPs.... again.

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Grilled said:

How long have you had the exc contract?

Do you know if the owner had listed the domain with MediaOptions prior to giving you the exc contract? Could the $150,000 landing page be leftover from a previous brokerage contract? or...?



Thanks for confirming. I was (and still am) a little confused to the broker connection between you and @Sharjil. Then I just looked at the thread where most people (including myself) became aware of @ErwanKina as a new young domain investor who represented a 20 million dollar domain investment fund HERE

In the interview, you state that you and Sharjil are partners. Does that mean you two work on domains together when one of yall receive a domain listing? Am I mistaken by the extent or use of the word partner? At some point after the interview, Sharjils credibility was called into question, and extreme caution was recommended. Not sure what all transpired to warrant such a warning. Tagging the blog editor for possible further clarification @James Iles

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Sharjil told me to make this announcement, about his mysterious "fund" and "partners" that wanted to put $20M in the domain market two years ago. I trusted him as we closed a $200K deal together (100 LLLL.coms package). I was young and starting to make serious money thanks to his connections. Of course it was greatly exaggerated. He and his group of buyers probably did spend $3 or $4M in 2016. After that we continued closing some smaller sales together until he backed up on various important deals, then we stopped our 'co-brokerage" partnership because of that.

Regarding Shelly.com, he asked me to list it on NameJet which I did, it did get sold at $35K and this sale was successfully completed.

ErwanKina said:

Sharjil told me to make this announcement, about his mysterious "fund" and "partners" that wanted to put $20M in the domain market two years ago. I trusted him as we closed a $200K deal together (100 LLLL.coms package). I was young and starting to make serious money thanks to his connections. Of course it was greatly exaggerated. He and his group of buyers probably did spend $3 or $4M in 2016. After that we continued closing some smaller sales together until he backed up on various important deals, then we stopped our 'co-brokerage" partnership because of that.

Regarding Shelly.com, he asked me to list it on NameJet which I did, it did get sold at $35K and this sale was successfully completed.

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Yes Erwan, And at one time we were willing to spend another $1m to $2m, but you know that LLLL market started getting crash.

Sharjil said:

Nope, I have the Exc contract with the Seller for this one.

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Thanks for the follow up, good luck on the FAV sale, hope it sells soon. Do you have any idea why is it listed above also?
https://www.namepros.com/posts/6477479/

https://www.namepros.com/threads/bidding-on-your-own-names-at-namejet.1030874/page-62#post-6462829
https://www.namepros.com/posts/6462809/


Cache is a namejet bidder too, is it the same person on Flippa?

Grilled said:

@ksusha64 -- Not sure if you caught this, but the fantasize.com debacle was mentioned in the breakroom HERE. Apparently @Sharjil had started a second NamePros auction for the same domain he sold you? Then you commented on the second auction, rightfully upset, that @Sharjil didn't honor his auction sale to you?

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No My point is After he told Lyon on Aug 19 he did not know the rules about Fantacize.com. He started Shelly auction a week later and used same excuse? Does it make sense to you? Lyon Wrote something a month later saying he had an excuse that he " did not know the rules". That does not make sense at all. On aug 19 I reported him and he started an auction more than a week later, but somehow Lyon combined his excuse into things that happened at different times. Official version is not what Really happened as you can see through timeline. He is obviously a cheat who kept using same excuse time after time. For some reason his excuse was ACCEPTED week after week on Different occasions.

@ksusha64 based on this situation and another one I observed, and constructively thinking....
It seems to me that disallowing proxies or brokers to sell on Namepro's would solve the problem. Domain owners only. Too many people involved and too much confusion. Wouldn't that solve the problem of one authority person to sell, better communication, reserves not allowed, etc? I realize this is a bit off topic.

offthehandle said:

@ksusha64 based on this situation and another one I observed, and constructively thinking....
It seems to me that disallowing proxies or brokers to sell on Namepro's would solve the problem. Domain owners only. Too many people involved and too much confusion. Wouldn't that solve the problem of one authority person to sell, better communication, reserves not allowed, etc? I realize this is a bit off topic.

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That’s a good idea to start with, but there is big problem here as well. This shady guy did not complete transactions clos to $20,000. That’s a serious fraud. It’s not your usual $20 names on here. He is allowed to trade on NamePros which is insane.

ksusha64 said:

This shady guy did not complete transactions clos to $20,000.

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Really?, that much was sold here on this forum you bought and were refused the transaction? That's a lot of money for this forum it seems rare those transactions I have seen in my past 17 months here. I read above some of it but do not fully understand. Was it a brokered name?, then it was pulled back from you twice after you made a firm BIN offer? Then reneged/backed out on the deals? That's what I think I read/understood.

offthehandle said:

Really?, that much was sold here on this forum you bought and were refused the transaction? That's a lot of money for this forum it seems rare those transactions I have seen in my past 17 months here. I read above some of it but do not fully understand. Was it a brokered name?, then it was pulled back from you twice after you made a firm BIN offer? Then reneged/backed out on the deals? That's what I think I read/understood.

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Did you read what @promo wrote? how this character cheated his client for 15% and also tries to steal other brokers clients? I heard similar story from about 3 brokers already.I guess he did not know the rules" stealing is not allowed". That's his usual fake excuse for everything.

ksusha64 said:

Did you read what @promo wrote? how this character cheated his client for 15% and also tries to steal other brokers clients? I heard similar story from about 3 brokers already.I guess he did not know the rules" stealing is not allowed". That's his usual fake excuse for everything.

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You mention another guy, I will refrain from commenting. The subject was shill bidding at the beginning of the thread. There is no evidence presented though, right?

I looked at your past grievance and see why you are upset, but as pointed out earlier you are reopening a past issue in this thread that was not resolved correctly (sale was not honored) and questioning why the banned member has returned. So I understand your frustration.

I was caught by surprise to see the outcome where whois was changed about the fantacise name thread and the comment in the thread with a clear declaration of ownership. Someone asked if they were brokered or owned, and he said he owned them. Not only did he not own them, he backed out on the sale. I don’t like the name misspelled that way (it is not American English) so personally you saved money imho.

I have 27 years of business experience with hundreds of sales people, independent mfg reps, RE and equip brokers. I have found only a a small percentage are trustworthy. Caveat emptor.

Your word is your bond. You break your word, you malalign your reputation.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/fantasize-com-bid-now.874975/#post-4974614

https://www.namepros.com/threads/fantasize-com-bid-now.874975/page-2#post-4993628

I see your point. Well the list of people I am counting who have dubious business practices seems to keep increasing. I can now count 6 people whose names keep being listed in the domain “news” with interesting ways they play the game.
These threads are educational.

To clarify:

1. The investigation that took place is public and the results are public as well. Everyone is free to read them and make their own decisions about who they do or do not want to do business with.
2. When a deal is backed out of (Someone decides not to go through with the deal) and nothing has been transferred, then as far as we're concerned, it's the exact same offense whether that deal was for $100 or $100,000. It makes no difference. No money or domains were exchanged. The only thing that matters is that a deal was not honored, and that is the same exact "bad business" infraction.
3. We already block proxies, VPN, etc. but it's not possible for any site to block 100% of them.
4. Brokering is not a problem on NamePros. There is 1 report a year on average, if that, relating to brokering of domains. There are hundreds of brokers on NamePros doing transactions without any problems.
5. Some of the issues that have been brought up did not occur on NamePros. We will not get involved in those, and we will not restrict anyone's account based on issues that happen outside of NamePros.
6. All of the issues that happened on NamePros, that we were informed about, have been resolved or expired. Deals backed out of can't typically be resolved but they expire. They were all from 2015 and it's almost 2018 (in 2 weeks).

Hope that helps,