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I'm still trying to figure out this site, but a poster named "offthehandle" responded to a post of mine titled "Perfect Description", and I want to thank him for his thoughtful response. His explanation for how hosed up this industry is, was spot on. While I'm not a domain investor, I do own 450+ domains that I've bought over the last 12 months. 90% of the domains I've purchased have ties to brands and businesses I'm developing. The other 10% are domains that I'd sell or lease if I could?

Regardless, the appraisal part of this industry is worse than fake news...and I own the domain, "FakeNewsHappens".com The biggest JOKE of them all is GoDaddy's appraisal platform. I've been involved in other industries that have developed "scoring" programs/systems that are very reliable, but this industry's appraisal piece should be ignored.

The best advice I did get from "offthehandle" was that my domains appear more "brandable" than most, and that I should look into "BrandBucket". He even said they're suspect as well, but I should cautious.

Thanks, "offthehandle" for your help and candor.

Bulloney
 
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What's the value of a $10 lottery ticket ? Usually from $5 to $8 ( depending on the lottery organizer's profit margin). The moment you buy a lottery ticket, your $10 becomes a $8.

But with domains, some people think the value is what it can sell for (Estibot, Godaddy, and others). In that sense, a $10 lottery ticket would be worth $10,000. Totally flawed thinking.
 
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Simple stuff like this makes Namepros a great community :) I'll always be grateful to be a part of it.
 
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The biggest JOKE of them all is GoDaddy's appraisal platform.

@Bulloney invest in your development of your names. Great income streams if done correctly. Namepros is a great community. I agree. The biggest sad joke are all the scandals recently uncovered by members of namepros of insider trading, the chinese and 6N pump and dump, the ongoing “partnership” before an auction concept and shill bidding that plagues the integrity of competitive bidding.
 
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It's no secret that appraisals are bad in the domain industry .. mostly because it actually isn't possible to be accurate when it comes to domains .. or at least not when it comes to "end user" pricing.

At the end of a day the price a domain sales at depends on how the end user values it .. combined with how much money they can realistically spend. There certainly are tons of quantifiable metrics .. but those get multiplied with some totally random things resulting in an extremely unprecise result.

Add to that the fact relatively simple algorythms can't "understand" most play on words and most "brandable" domains are pretty much impossible to assess using an automated system. But this isn't at all something that is really hidden in the industry .. Estibot for example tries to compare your domain to sales of what it tries to connect to as similar .. from a programming site it's absolutely fantastic .. but even if it were perfect it would still be accurate a minority of times with Brandables.

GoDaddy valuations are new .. believe it or not it's MUCH better now than when it originally rolled out .. but that's because a few months ago it deserved a 1/10 grade .. now it's maybe at 4. Whoever green lit that system obviously had no clue about domain sales in any way.

It's not a far stretch to say GoDaddy is a giant colossal incompetent beast .. just too big likely without anyone able to take a step back and see all the issues for what they are. I've had a couple of sessions with their development team and they just couldn't get enough of my help (literally .. they asked me for more feedback .. but didn't really offer anything in return so I can't say I'm extremely motivated to donate my time).

BUT .. they do have FAR AND AWAY the best selection of expiring domains .. a fact that gets even better with the value in terms of pricing you can get some of the domains at (look at here and realise the large majority of the domains I've listed I got for $20 or less). I sometimes selfishly think that maybe it's better they are such a mess .. as it just makes the learning curve for the competition that much harder .. and reduced competition means cheaper domains for the rest of us willing to suffer through all the problems and inefficiencies there .. lol.

Conversely though .. sometimes some domains are valued higher than others because of actual legitimate reasons not always obvious .. like traffic, PPC, competition and several other possible factors.


Here's a little tip .. A good baseline to see if you're "not bad" at evaluating domains is go and listen to all the old @DomainSherpa reviews (there is tons of fantastic info and advice in there) .. absorb what you can .. then listen to them again .. and keep listening while you buy/sell domains until you actually find comments and opinions they say and share that you disagree with (for actual reasons you can quantify/specify) .. once you have that confidence then you won't be bad (because nobody can ever really be all that good with evaluating brandable domains.. lol) .. then once you understand you can never be that good .. that's when you realise .. holy crap .. why the ____ did I buy xx% of my useless domains? .. lol

Also .. for wholesale pricing try "paper trading" .. go to DSAD aka (@Domain Shane) and check their daily lists and price them yourself .. then 1-2 days later go back and check what the names sold for. But again .. lots of factors even in wholesale to be very accurate (although it is at least more predictable than retail sales to end users).

Finally .. it's also very important to remember that "valuation" doesn't necessarily translate into sales .. a good assessment of the actual probability of the domain ever being sold.


ok .. anyhow .. good luck moving forward! :)
 
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I rather like GoDaddy appraisals when they support my own pricing and result in a sale to a GoDaddy or Afternic client.
 
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Here's a little tip .. A good baseline to see if you're "not bad" at evaluating domains is go and listen to all the old @DomainSherpa reviews (there is tons of fantastic info and advice in there)

HAHAHAHA!

Look, no disrespect to Sherpa's out there like @Ali, but the Sherpa show is showing that it was repeatedly abused by some questionable characters. I can't say I didn't learn from DomainSherpa, but with everything that's coming out about the new owner, I am now questioning everything I ever heard on that show.

Also .. for wholesale pricing try "paper trading" .. go to DSAD aka (@Domain Shane) and check their daily lists and price them yourself .. then 1-2 days later go back and check what the names sold for.

I'm still hesitant on the value of DSAD.com. I mean, yes they did question HKDN and Oliver Hoger before NamePros, but DSAD.com (among other things) also published a few article's where Oliver pushes (educates?) domains within his niche such as 6N.com to new investors HERE

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The problem with looking at sales the day after is generally they are unverified. In that, not all auctions are paid for, and some sales are the result of questionable activity. I assume a lot of those reported NameJet sales were from Oliver, and given we have recently learned he bid on his own domains at bulk, all his sales are plagued by a questionable fog.

@Bulloney Please take everything you hear with a grain of salt.

The best advice I did get from "offthehandle" was that my domains appear more "brandable" than most, and that I should look into "BrandBucket". He even said they're suspect as well, but I should cautious.

I'm a former BrandBucket seller, and a vocal skeptic. I haven't followed them too much recently, but it's hard to deny that in the brandable space, they appear to be the market leader. I'm not saying you should go all in with them, I'm just saying, they do have a decent platform. Though, I caution you on listing fee's among a few other things.
 
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Look, no disrespect to Sherpa's out there like @Ali, but the Sherpa show is showing that it was repeatedly abused by some questionable characters. I can't say I didn't learn from DomainSherpa, but with everything that's coming out about the new owner, I am now questioning everything I ever heard on that show.

Your continued attacks against @DomainSherpa are totally inappropriate .. the sherpas shared their **OPINIONS** .. they were very clear with that and they would be the first to tell you they are not 100% right all the time. In fact there are certainly some things they said over the course of dozens of podcasts that I even disagree with. But the fact of the matter is that there is TONS of great information in those shows/podcasts .. just like everything else in life .. pass the information through your own filter and keep what works and makes sense for you. There is far far worse and incorrect advice right here in these forums .. where's the crusade against all the bad advice here? Although again .. it's mainly just people's opinions that are wrong most of the time as opposed to any intentional malice.

But the fact of the matter is that far and away the best way to get your feet wet in domaining is to go back and relisten to as many shows as possible ..


I'm still hesitant on the value of DSAD.com ......

What's with the hinted negativity and tearing down of what the majority of the industry consider good resources and OPINIONS? Maybe offer other suggestions/alternatives .. seriously .. all I said was to paper trade from the info on DSAD ... those aren't even opinions .. it's just cold hard numbers .. sure some of those numbers are probably pulled from auctions that had fraudulent bids .. but how you can think that in any way has anything to do with anybody at DSAD (@Domain Shane, @ikehook, @mountaingoat and @Travis M) is taking what I said totally out of context to paint an unjustified doubt on the integrity of their work. By paper trading I mean go back over many multiple days and week and months .. predict the results of auctions (in NO WAY run by them) and then go back to see what they sold for .. is it 100% accurate .. no .. not at all .. but does it help a newcomer start to learn and get to have an idea of what sort of domains have wholesale value .. to that the answer is an absolute yes 100% .. ZERO hesitation!

Even more importantly .. the vast majority of domains being tracked are expiring auctions .. so the concerns about "shill bidding" aren't even relevant to the vast majority of domains being tracked there in the first place!

Again .. I'll be the first to tell you they are often wrong in their opinions ... and they have to be .. they post multiple times a day 365 days a year .. beyond that and more importantly however .. is that they are also right a heck of a lot of the time .. more importantly they offer tons of insightful tips and information .. and even more importantly just like Domain Sherpa .. make it all a lot of fun.


I'm a former BrandBucket seller, and a vocal skeptic ...

On that I can totally agree with you. Again .. nothing personal against BrandBuckets as they have a ridiculously fantastic business model that works FOR THEM! But their marketplace is just too full for you to have any reasonable chance of a sale .. add to that they actually make you pay them for every domain you list, while forcing you to be exclusive to them and it boggles my mind domainers choose that route. Particularly when the majority of your potential sales likely would have been via the landing page on YOUR domain! lol .. Again .. nothing personal against them in any way .. it's their platform .. and they can do what they want .. I just don't understand anybody who would go with them today (I do understand those who went with them way back when they had far fewer domains on their platform.



Anyhow .. I'm sure if we go through both our OPINIONS throughout the forums and the internet we'll find tons of times when our opinions end up being wrong ... but the only real option to make sure none of the opinions you're getting are wrong .. is to turn off the Internet! Anyhow .. That's my OPINION on that!
 
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Your continued attacks against @DomainSherpa are totally inappropriate

That is you opinion.

Personally, I don't appreciate your continued blind support of DomainSherpa. It's disgusting to see the people who bid on their own domains get flaunted around as award winning and respected domainers.

I understand you don't know the extent of the NameJet bidding on your own domain scandal. And DomainSherpa has pushed some quality info, so I'll leave you to your opinion.

I'm just saying, I think your continued pushing of such content to domain newbies is detrimental to the overal long term health of our industry.
 
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I'm just saying, I think your continued pushing of such content to domain newbies is detrimental to the overal long term health of our industry.

@Bulloney Read and be informed is all I can say, as there are plenty of facts supporting opinions and those of others who are tired of the mess going on. Namepros auctions here are well run by the moderators and they police all the issues, my hats off to all the hardwork they put in continually.

@Grilled and others have put in countless hours determining FACTUAL EVIDENCE of many behind the scenes activities of certain people. Some people on Namepros are unappreciative and ignore the facts. So be it. Then the platform in question let the same seller(s) back in to continue their behavior and decided to erase all the evidence, and going forward limit bidding results publishing to 7 days.

This July 2017 thread is very long- but covers many bases especially near the end.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/bidding-on-your-own-names-at-namejet.1030874/

https://www.namepros.com/threads/le...s-idea-of-owners-bidding-in-auctions.1030988/

https://www.namepros.com/threads/do...y-sell-getting-uncomfortable-w-shane.1037973/

Then today- Rick Schwartz tweeted several items these past few days:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/another-bidding-on-your-own-names.1050978/#post-6443899

In response to this negative blog comment about Namepros:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...between-a-domain-blogger-and-a-troll.1049964/

This AMA was created exactly the day after the blog post was made as good PR back here to NP's:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/im-shane-cultra-ama-ask-me-anything.1050052/

Even more importantly .. the vast majority of domains being tracked are expiring auctions .. so the concerns about "shill bidding" aren't even relevant to the vast majority of domains being tracked there in the first place!

One thing being omitted from the above comments in support of the blog is that the blogger stated in the AMA they are paid to advertise the expired names on the subject auction platform they write about. They are also paid by some owners of names who want advertising exposure, the cost is $10. per name. Advertising income is fine and exposure for names up for sale is great, but just know that any name listed is not listed necessarily because it is a good name, but it is potentially an advertised name. Also, there is a possibility that the owner of the name might decide to use it as an appraisal tool and re-new it after you wasted your time bidding on it.

The bidders on the platform are totally anonymous and possibly paid advertisers so to make a statement like "so the concerns about Shill bidding aren't even relevant" I disagree.
 
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BLIND SUPPORT ??? lol .. Seriously .. there are literally HUNDREDS of useful and helpful reviews and interviews at Domain Sherpa .. it's not perfect .. but it's pretty damn good and offers lots of eye opening OPINIONS and information to newer domainers in a format that makes learning fun!


The ONLY actual opinion I remember hearing on @DomainSherpa was against Shill bidding.

Beyond that it's important to remember that the ideas being explored in the allowing self-bidding in auctions was based on the condition of full transparency and disclosure. Without those Andrew Rosener (@MediaOptions) very clearly and specifically stated that his opinion on shill bidding in secret is that it was actually 100% wrong!

The fact remains that auctions as a whole are a royal mess when it comes to domains ,, and unfortunately there is no way to 100% remove all potential fraud! Beyond that there are tons of OPINIONS on how to possibly make things at least "better" (IE: still far from perfect but at least a little better) .. and almost all of those OPINIONS have various pros and cons .. and if you ask me .. there is a lot of value in exploring and discussing all of those potential solutions to hopefully come up with some solutions to make things "better".

It should be noted that those OPINIONS were actually shared HERE AT NAMEPROS ... yet for some reason instead of speaking out against Namepros you choose to focus your finger pointing at Domain Sherpa that barely even touched the subject aside from a few comments AGAINST shill bidding! You talk about "blind support" .. but you are the one who chooses to be blind to these facts for some unknown reason!?

Please don't misinterpret what I'm saying as being against NamePros in any way .. I saw those opinions as opinions .. and discussing opinions is a good part of a healthy debate that can often find the best elements of two sides and find a resulting compromise better than either proposal.


Also .. who specifically bid on their own auctions?

@Michael Cyger? He very clearly spoke against it!
@Domain Shane? He actually brought all of these allegation out to the public before ANYBODY else!
@Frank.Schilling? That probably goes without saying as his bot probably bids on every single domain at auction .. lol
@Ali? You just went out of your way above to make him look nice, so I'm guessing not!
@MediaOptions? Seems @Michael (or possibly even yourself or another member) did a pretty good audit and came up with nothing encriminating .. plus if you go back to the original discussion you'll see he was very clear that any possible positive elements allowing people to bid on their own auctions was 100% conditional on it being transparent .. he also actually pointed out some potential negative aspects of self-bidding. That whole part of the discussion was mostly theoretic exploration of potential solutions to secret shill bidding and ill-intentioned auction manipulation.


As for the extent of the NameJet scandal .. I was right there in the mix asking questions of NameJet (still unanswered) .. as well as exploring the pros and cons of potential fixes to make things better.

After getting personally attacked I lost a little interest in the whole discussion because I was being attacked simply for exploring the pros and cons of possible solutions:

While there was some fantastic work being done to uncover a lot of the crap and cheating .. there was also tons of unobjective insinuations and accusations based on OPINIONS as opposed to anything anyone had actually done. I was also a little frustrated some of my posts were deleted because they referenced other deleted posts.

Let me be clear that there certainly were people who cheated the system .. but it also turned into a witch hunt at some point .. and once I saw at least parts of the discussions becoming baseless accusations .. I didn't really see the point in participating any further given the personal attacks on me .. ironically enough I barely use namejet aside from checking out the occasional name shared on Domain Sherpa or DSAD.
 
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@MediaOptions? Seems @Michael (or possibly even yourself or another member) did a pretty good audit and came up with nothing encriminating .. plus if you go back to the original discussion you'll see he was very clear that any possible positive elements allowing people to bid on their own auctions was 100% conditional on it being transparent .. he also actually pointed out some potential negative aspects of self-bidding. That whole part of the discussion was mostly theoretic exploration of potential solutions to secret shill bidding and ill-intentioned auction manipulation.

When was the last time you read the bidding on your own names at namejet thread? And when was the last time you read the let's discuss the idea of bidding on your own domain thread?

I respect the amount of effort you put into your posts. You're a writing machine. But, I question what information you're being exposed to, and how current you are regarding this topic.

Let's talk about the "witch pursuit thing" if you will. Why do you think it was a witch hunt? Who was falsely accused? Let's address it, and clear the air if you (or anyone else) feel's that occurred. I tried to have this discussion on DomainSherpa months ago, but my comment was censored.

 
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One thing being omitted from the above comments in support of the blog is that the blogger stated in the AMA they are paid to advertise the expired names on the subject auction platform they write about. They are also paid by some owners of names who want advertising exposure, the cost is $10. per name. Advertising income is fine and exposure for names up for sale is great, but just know that any name listed is not listed necessarily because it is a good name, but it is potentially an advertised name. Also, there is a possibility that the owner of the name might decide to use it as an appraisal tool and re-new it after you wasted your time bidding on it.

The bidders on the platform are totally anonymous and possibly paid advertisers so to make a statement like "so the concerns about Shill bidding aren't even relevant" I disagree.

@Domain Shane (not sure why you don't name him when you're clearly implying him and/or the entire DSAD team: @ikehook @mountaingoat @Travis M) has always VERY clearly stated that he takes some paid submissions .. it's a service he offers on HIS website where people can get FREE advice. Much more importantly beyond that however .. is the reason I didn't mention it is because I was discussing going over a very large number of domains .. paid submissions are only a tiny fraction of that .. rendering potential sponsored domains very literally insignificant when looking at the big picture.

Add to that is the fact that you're implying sponsored domains listed give fraudulent results .. to which there is absolutely ZERO foundation or any justification in any way. The very fact you bring up completely unrelated points like this trying to hint towards unethical behaviour lead me to have the OPINION that maybe there is some sort of personal crusade going on here. Seriously .. if you don' t like them .. then that's fine .. but this constant stretching of unrelated things to justify questioning merit or integrity is flat out wrong.

And again selective reading here is taking me way out of context ... I'm talking about going back and doing paper trading .. meaning go over hundreds and hundreds of auctions .. if you read my posts above and all over namepros you'll know I'm very vocal about problems and lack of transparency on the auction platforms .. but you guys also need to take a step back and realise that the vast majority of names listed at DSAD are NOT paid expiring actions .. and as such doing paper trading based on data there WILL give a new domainer a general idea of pricing .. it's not perfect .. but it's far far far and VASTLY better than not actually doing a single thing to develop a new domainer's pricing intuition! Seriously guys .. why do you need to twist everything into a crusade against people who are simply sharing their opinions?
 
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Seriously guys .. why do you need to twist everything into a crusade against people who are simply sharing their opinions?

I appreciate your opinion.

But, I don't understand why you feel the need to label discussions such as this as a crusade.

To all: This is a discussion. Let's discuss. Not attack.
 
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When was the last time you read the bidding on your own names at namejet thread? And when was the last time you read the let's discuss the idea of bidding on your own domain thread?

I left the discussion after a few things:

1- Being personally attacked with posts such as:
"You are another sleazy manipulator, perhaps you are part of this" ...
... "this entire thread shows really well who the shill advocates, market makers and cesspool is, thanks for doing that. You did me and anyone else a favor."


2- People were making baseless accusations at people based on their SHARING OF IDEAS AND OPINIONS ON HOW THEY THOUGHT auctions COULD POSSIBLY be made better.

3- There was an active investigation on Andrew Rosener that resulted in him being cleared.

4- That investigation was only started because he shared his OPINION that allowing public bidding on one's own auction would at least make things more transparent .. and that allowing it TRANSPARENTLY was theoretically in his opinion the same as having a reserve (whether it is or isn't doesn't even really matter .. he's allowed to have an opinion and think a certain way whether anybody agrees with it or not)

5- I had several polite / objective / idea exploring posts deleted simply because they referred to other posts that were deleted.

6- I found people were more interested in making accusations than actually fairly giving everyone's ideas a chance to be explored.

7- I think my fingers probably started to blister and bleed!?
 
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Do paid appraisals mean "slap a $100,000 price tag on my domain will yah? Here's $100 bucks Sedo"

Then your domain lists on sedo for $100. Some I've seen I seriously doubt is worth $250,000 retail. Lol
 
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I appreciate your opinion.

But, I don't understand why you feel the need to label discussions such as this as a crusade.

To all: This is a discussion. Let's discuss. Not attack.

Seriously Grilled .. maybe you just need to be a little clearer in the way you discuss things.

1- To quote yourself "HAHAHAHA!"
- You essentially mocked my saying there is useful information at @DomainSherpa

2- To quote you again " the Sherpa show is showing that it was repeatedly abused by some questionable characters."
- The only "questionable" Sherpa was Adam D .. of the shows I was able to grab I actually didn't hear anything that would really merit questioning (other than some bad outdated opinions that were more suited to developers than to domainers). However he did have adds there for his company so some might count that. Regardless though .. @Michael Cyger made the very painful choice of removing all content that referenced Adam just in case people could wrongfully misinterpret that as support for Adam. I know how valuable content is .. and to me that move was actually a mark of integrity by Cyger.

3- Quote you again " I can't say I didn't learn from DomainSherpa, but with everything that's coming out about the new owner, I am now questioning everything I ever heard on that show."
- Do I really need to detail how ridiculous that sentence is? You double negative say you've learned stuff. You haven't mentioned or listed A SINGLE EXAMPLE of even one single thing among the hundred of hours of shows ... yet you go on to share that you question ALL of it? It's not my opinion that this is the definition of not being objective .. it's hard to argue that it's an actual fact based on your own words!

4- Quote you again: "It's disgusting to see the people who bid on their own domains get flaunted around as award winning and respected domainers."
- Again, while I don't know of any confirmed and proven accusation of fraud by Andrew Rosener or any of the other Sherpas whose shows remain available for viewing .. I also do know that I've never used the terms "award winning" .. in fact .. I've very openly repeated time and time again that they are indeed NOT perfect .. and that sometimes their OPINIONS are wrong. So stating that you're disgusted with things I haven't even said about them does show that yeah .. you might be taking this to "witch hunt" level (unless you believe in witches .. in "witch" case I apologise!)

5- Another quote "The problem with looking at sales the day after is generally they are unverified. In that, not all auctions are paid for, and some sales are the result of questionable activity. I assume a lot of those reported NameJet sales were from Oliver, and given we have recently learned he bid on his own domains at bulk, all his sales are plagued by a questionable fog."

Partial Mia Culpa .. I personally only focus (well .. 99%) on GoDaddy auctions .. add to that @Bulloney specified GoDaddy in the initial thread above .. and I wasn't really thinking about NameJet domains. I honestly don't know the ratio of owned vs expired domains for those. But I do know the super majority of GoDaddy names listed at DSAD are expired .. and I'm not sure why your even bringing up these things .. what percentage of domains listed on DSAD were the fraudulent NameJet ones? ... and much more importantly .. what percentage are of the type a new domain investor might actually buy? You just implying enough questionable data at DSAD that doing large scale "paper trading" on a very large number of domains would somehow not give a new domainer a better understanding of wholesale pricing at auctions .. an implication that is completely untrue .. and even more importantly .. has ZERO supporting evidence even hinting of any semblance of truth.


So while you say "let's discuss. not attack" .. the above quotes really leaves a solid enough trail to believe that you are on a mission/crusade of some kind! Maybe you don't see it .. maybe you didn't even mean it that way .. but it certainly came out that way.

On of the main reasons why I write longer texts .. particularly with heated discussions like this .. is specifically so I can bring in as much context and specific explanation as possible in order to avoid misinterpretation.



Also .. if you want to know my guess without even looking?

I'm actually willing to bet that Andrew and/or his partners actually HAVE bid on their own auctions. With them having a huge portfolio, being multiple people bidding on multiple auctions it would have to be a miracle if they didn't accidentally bid on their own names from time to time. Sure it's "against the rules" even to be human and make a mistake like that .. but at the same time it's not nearly the same thing as what was going with the discussions at NameJet .. to even make the association without specifying context, like I have here, is wrong and some might argue borderline slanderous. :-/


Since I'm tired of complaining .. let me end things with this story ...

A while back I saw a generic domain that could be used for a dating site .. I have a friend who's got a long term ongoing project for a dating site .. so I grabbed it on auction ... turns out it was actually my own domain that I had deliberately let expire with a bunch of others .. now here's the kicker ... it was a .mobi domain .. a damn freakin' DOT MOBI! I can't even remember if I was the only bidder or not (if not then the other person should thank me from saving them from a .mobi lol) .. to make things worse .. it wasn't more than a couple years ago .. maybe even less .. does that make me a bidder on my on domains? Yes it does! That was back when I was holding one or two hundred domains "for eventual potential development" .. so with my ever growing portfolio .. I'm willing to bet (and almost guarantee) that it will happen again! (I'm talking in general .. and not with another damn dot mobi! :-/ )
 
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3- There was an active investigation on Andrew Rosener that resulted in him being cleared.

Before I get into anything else, let's discuss this, before it spreads without merit (ie sources / references).

Who actively investigated Andrew, and when did this result in him being cleared? I am not aware of this. Link please?
 
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I don't want to read all these posts and guess where I fit in to all of this so....

@offthehandle
Would you please summarize what you are accusing me of. I don't need Ategy to defend me. I can take care of myself. I have ALWAYS been open and honest and would love for you to point out anything that I have done that would be otherwise right here. I can then reply accordingly. I suggest you have proof typed or linked next to each statement. Thank you in advance

@Ategy.com leave me out of it. I got this
 
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www.Crusade.link ?

Anyhow .. I think you've kinda missed my point here .. I've been trying to give @Bulloney helpful advice on where to find helpful advice .. you guys have been using each helpful suggestion I've tried to make be all about mocking and hinting towards @MediaOptions or @Domain Shane or @DomainSherpa lacking integrity of some kind ... I thinking that because we've been talking about the merits of the content on those sites that ew are still technically on topic ... but if this discussion swings over to being about them, then future posts are likely going to be deleted ... and I seriously don't have any more time or energy to waste on this .. I think I've made my points on the actual topic at hand in this thread .. the fact you don't want to reply to any of the multitude of other things I mentioned and only focus on Andrew tell me that we likely won't agree.

Seriously .. I've learned a lot from the Sherpas .. and I have yet to come across any evidence to support any deliberate malice on the part of any of them. If there is something then I guess I'm wrong .. it doesn't really change the fact that somehow DSAD and @Michael Cyger also got dragged into this .. as well as opinions I've expressed being selectively being dissected to direct the mocking of Sherpas.
 
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@Ategy.com leave me out of it. I got this

I was actually defending my own words that were being twisted to make out of context statements .. but I was done anyways here anyways .. don't have too much fun! ;)
 
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@Ategy.com

I truly appreciate the support. I do. But all your typing is merely stirring the $hit. I promise we can defend ourselves and handle whatever comes our way. The more you type, the more you stir the hornets nest. One post is support. Two maybe. 10 and people just label you a fanboy. I know you mean well and love your passion. Just take your fingers off the keyboard and let it go. The Sherpas and DSAD will be just fine. We're big boys :)
 
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Post number 12 contains two links one referring to a blog post regarding NamePros dated November 13th.

2nd underneath is a link to your AMA the day after the blog post. Those are the only references I see.
 
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