discuss Are gTLDs affecting .Com price and growth

.Com is becoming more dominant... People that say otherwise are those without any decent .coms in their portfolio. (obviously they want to find reasons to bash the .com)

Alternatives like .Net are losing steam... Domains like .ME, .IO, .LY, have phases of being "fashionable" for startups, but they all end up buying the .com.

All these newbies trying to create a market for the gTLD's because they are the only domains that are easy to buy is just getting old... gTLDS failed.

Do your homework, work hard, and buy .com - It will continue to dominate... 99% of the people on NamePros will readily admit that if they were to start a real business, it would be on a .com domain...

Or ccTLD.

Josh R said:

99% of the people on NamePros will readily admit that if they were to start a real business, it would be on a .com domain...

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Josh R said:

.Com is becoming more dominant... People that say otherwise are those without any decent .coms in their portfolio. (obviously they want to find reasons to bash the .com)

Alternatives like .Net are losing steam... Domains like .ME, .IO, .LY, have phases of being "fashionable" for startups, but they all end up buying the .com.

All these newbies trying to create a market for the gTLD's because they are the only domains that are easy to buy is just getting old... gTLDS failed.

Do your homework, work hard, and buy .com - It will continue to dominate... 99% of the people on NamePros will readily admit that if they were to start a real business, it would be on a .com domain...

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.Com is becoming 'more dominant', that why the average daily sales for .com is at the lowest in 10 years, around 500$ the daily average, 5-6 times less than it was a few years ago. Also, you can't make a difference between .com registration number and .com sales, which are the lowest ever. Also, you should check Europe and most other countries outside US to see how .com is dominant at 5% to 15% and the list goes on and on.

boker said:

.Com is becoming 'more dominant', that why the average daily sales for .com is at the lowest in 10 years, around 500$ the daily average

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A few weeks ago it was more than twice of that. You have the daily sales fluctuating A LOT all the time. Fairly misleading statement. How long has the average been $500, weeks?

It is not that the price is permanently settled at $500.

If you look at the number of sales each year in the past 3 years .com is fairly stable, while the new extensions declined significantly.

also not right to assume if .com sells less, the new extensions cause that.

Economy, market cycles, random movements matter more.

Many domainers sold assets cheap to invest in crypto that will have an effect as well.

we are now going towards the bottom of a market cycle.

.com IS the dominant global extension in the sense that you can have a website in .com and anyone in any language can understand it. ccTLDs have always been the first choice for local sites,nothing new here.

It is also the dominant extension for investing and this will never change.

.Com is becoming more dominant... People that say otherwise are those without any decent .coms in their portfolio. (obviously they want to find reasons to bash the .com)

Alternatives like .Net are losing steam... Domains like .ME, .IO, .LY, have phases of being "fashionable" for startups, but they all end up buying the .com.

All these newbies trying to create a market for the gTLD's because they are the only domains that are easy to buy is just getting old... gTLDS failed.

Do your homework, work hard, and buy .com - It will continue to dominate... 99% of the people on NamePros will readily admit that if they were to start a real business, it would be on a .com domain...

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i don't know why people are so in denial about .com being the leading extension.
It is like they love to daydream how an unknown extension(they own) will take over and make .com obsolete. This will never happen. Like arguing that the US dollar is going away. Its not going to happen.

truth is(real world data) sales and regs are falling for the new Gs and are stable and growing for .com

does not take much to figure out the outcome of this.

if you offer someone here the choice between owning the .com for their site or the alternative, cost being equal they will take the .com in 99% of cases.

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A few weeks ago it was more than twice of that. You have the daily sales fluctuating A LOT all the time. Fairly misleading statement. How long has the average been $500, weeks?

It is not that the price is permanently settled at $500.

If you look at the number of sales each year in the past 3 years .com is fairly stable, while the new extensions actually declined.

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Namebio is doing everything ...the line will go down for the last few years, exception being end of 2015 and beginning of 2016, when was the chinese thing. Yes, the daily average is fluctuating but around 8 out of 10 days is around 500$, so if you have 5 days averaging at 500$ and one at 800$-1000$, doesn't mean that the one day should be the standard. Also, if you check top 100 daily sales and remove the sales from namejet, dropcatch, snapnames and half of godaddy sales( expired domains) you will notice that the average sales number drop even more, around half of that. Also, you can check the number o sales reported by marketplaces used mostly by end users and sales reported by resellers marketplaces, compare it with a few years ago and check the results...70% of the sale are done by resellers and 30% by end users and 3-4 -10 years ago was exactly the other way.

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Namebio is doing everythingShow attachment 71705 ...the line will go down for the last few years, exception being end of 2015 and beginning of 2016, when was the chinese thing. Yes, the daily average is fluctuating but around 8 out of 10 days is around 500$, so if you have 5 days averaging at 500$ and one at 800$-1000$, doesn't mean that the one day should be the standard. Also, if you check top 100 daily sales and remove the sales from namejet, dropcatch, snapnames and half of godaddy sales( expired domains) you will notice that the average sales number drop even more, around half of that. Also, you can check the number o sales reported by marketplaces used mostly by end users and sales reported by resellers marketplaces, compare it with a few years ago and check the results...70% of the sale are done by resellers and 30% by end users and 3-4 -10 years ago was exactly the other way.

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reported .com sales are stable around 60k each year no change here. regs are still growing.

also sales are not going to the new Gs as evidenced by the low number of startups using it and low number of sales.

If you think less sales are happening there must be an other cause.

I have been using a lot of webservices and they invariably use .com, with some going to .io in the past years. I have seen no change as an internet user in the past 17 years.

i think when the internet was smaller and more fragmented, category killers were more authoritative, just having the name could make you king in a niche. These days a lot goes to large brands which use their brand name instead of a generic so I think exact match names were worth more in the past. we are seeing more brandable sales but the extension that everyone wanted or used is and was always .com no change here in the past 20 years.

.com has been declared dead several times in the past 20 years. It always came back. The market is cyclical.

the current weekly average price is $4k and over 1k most of the time

dordomai said:

reported .com sales are stable around 60k each year no change here. regs are still growing.

also sales are not going to the new Gs as evidenced by the low number of startups using it and low number of sales.

If you think less sales are happening there must be an other cause.

I have been using a lot of webservices and they invariably use .com, with some going to .io in the past years. I have seen no change as an internet user.

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The earlier was a response meant to the other guy saying that .com sales are rising. Also, I have tested the sales from last week, around 1500 sales all together, if you take out namejet and the other 3-4 reseller marketplaces, will remain around 850, but that' includes all sales from godaddy, flippa, and a few others, that everybody knows that a lot of them are reseller sales as well, so probably a fair number will be around 450 end user sales out of 1500. Also, maybe the 60k sales number is right, but my impression is that all the end user sales until 2015( more exactly 2011) have helped resellers accumulate lot's of cash and they are the one's now spending their money to buy cheap,( that why they represent 70% of the sales) hopping that it's just for a period and then the sales will go up again, but I think that after more than a year of drop they have spent most of the cash and if nothing will change they will have lot's of great .com's, but nobody to sell them at the right price to make a profit and with no cash to spend anymore. If you follow the big portofolio holders, you will notice exactly that they have bought thousands and tens of thousands of domains..but in the last two months they have started dropping. If the prices will go way up soon, they will make a nice profit, but if they will remain like this for a few months more, they will start loosing big.

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The earlier was a response meant to the other guy saying that .com sales are rising. Also, I have tested the sales from last week, around 1500 sales all together, if you take out namejet and the other 3-4 reseller marketplaces, will remain around 850, but that' includes all sales from godaddy, flippa, and a few other, that everybody knows that a lot of them are reseller sales as well, so probably a fair number will be around 450 end user sales out of 1500. Also, maybe the 60k sales number is right, but my impression is that all the end user sales until 2015( more exactly 2011) have helped resellers accumulate lot's of cash and they are the one's now spending their money to buy cheap,( that why they represent 70% of the sales) hopping that it's just for a period and then the sales will go up again, but I think that after more than a year of drop they have spent most of the cash and if nothing will change they will have lot's of great .com's, but nobody to sell them at the right price to make a profit and with no cash to spend anymore. If you follow the big portofolio holders, you will notice exactly that they have bought thousands and tens of thousands of domains..but in the last two months they have started dropping. If the prices will go way up soon, they will make a nice profit, but if they will remain like this for a few months more, they will start loosing big.

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personally I don't care about what happens in this week or next. As long as development happens under .com there will be sales. It will go up and down over time but as long .com is king most sales will be there.

dordomai said:

personally I don't care about what happens in this week or next. As long as development happens under .com there will be sales. It will go up and down over time but as long .com is king most sales will be there.

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Everybody decides for himself and for sure there will be .com sales one year from now and 5 years from now, but it's important also what will be the average price, because if you pay 1k for a good domain now and you will be able to sell it for 1k or just 500$ -600$ in 2-3 years, than you will have to loose money or keep it forever. So it's important where the market is going and what prices you will get for your domains. The same happened after 2012, lot's of domainers lost money, selling for a lot less then what they have paid in 2008-2011, the big luck was the chinese thing, saving a lot of them. I'm curious what will save now the one's making the wrong bets.

500 USD ?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/mi...u-com-antipollution-com.1046842/#post-6408082

Mike Mann reported selling 9 domain names in September for a total of $136,502. Mike had 6 5-figure sales and another 2 sales very close to $10k.

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all .com of course, market is far from dead

dordomai said:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/mi...u-com-antipollution-com.1046842/#post-6408082



all .com of course, market is far from dead

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Out of 275k domains and down from 350k domains he owned 2-3 years ago, do you see the trend? Also, probably he had a bad month, because he needs over 200k in a month just to cover renewals, so not always a picture is the big picture. Exactly what I was saying earlier, the important thing is to make a good enough profit. There are also some namepros users who don't buy anything under 500$-1k, but some struggle to break even.

boker said:

Out of 275k domains and down from 350k domains he owned 2-3 years ago, do you see the trend? Also, probably he had a bad month, because he needs over 200k in a month just to cover renewals, so not always a picture is the big picture.

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he does not report all sales I think, he reports only the best ones.

https://onlinedomain.com/2017/04/11...month-ever-propertyphotos-com-ukcannabis-com/

Mike Mann reported that he had his best month ever selling domain names. He reported selling 27 domain names in March for a total of $233,540. Mike had 7 5-figure sales.

Mike Mann said: “Ive been selling domains for 20 years. This is the best month yet.”

“Perfect time to agree .Com is going up in value

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I would guess there have been worse years for him.

dordomai said:

https://onlinedomain.com/2017/04/11...month-ever-propertyphotos-com-ukcannabis-com/

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Something seems wrong, because if 237k is the best month, that means that he's loosing money in a year, on average, without even counting the acquisition cost. Probably he's making extra money from marketing, blogs and websites, but still it's not the best example. Also, I was reading one article from a few years ago saying that at one point he was buying more, to accumulate more domains, but it seems that in the last two years he is selling more, probably that why he had the best month in 2017-selling more and accepting lower amounts also. When you have 85k domains less in two years doesn't show big trust in com.

boker said:

Something seems wrong, because if 237k is the best month, that means that he's loosing money in a year, on average, without even counting the acquisition cost. .

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https://onlinedomain.com/2017/04/11...month-ever-propertyphotos-com-ukcannabis-com/

onlinedomain.com said:

Simple. He doesn’t report all sales. Just like what all sane people would do. I write it in the article.

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dordomai said:

https://onlinedomain.com/2017/04/11...month-ever-propertyphotos-com-ukcannabis-com/

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Reading the article, it says 'probably', so he's just supposing that he could have more sales...It's like I say that I have 100 domains and sold 10 and somebody will say that 'probably' I have more- everybody can say whatever he wants, I know better what I have.

He must be selling around 80 domains per month, so 27 is too far off.

Asfas1000 said:

He must be selling around 80 domains per month, so 27 is too far off.

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'He must be selling 80 domains a month' should be based on something, insides from MM accounting, or some friends saying something, just counting how many he owns and how many he should sell to make a profit doesn't work.

I didn't work it out like this, instead I had read he sells 0,5% of his domains per year. Which is around 1000 domains a year, or 80/mo.

Asfas1000 said:

I didn't work it out like this, instead I had read he sells 0,5% of his domains per year. Which is around 1000 domains a year, or 80/mo.

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It could be true, but he was saying also that 237k is his best month, so probably that month had bigger sales by amount, but less by number, probably in other months the average sale is less and the number of sales higher.

Josh R said:

.Com is becoming more dominant... People that say otherwise are those without any decent .coms in their portfolio. (obviously they want to find reasons to bash the .com)

Alternatives like .Net are losing steam... Domains like .ME, .IO, .LY, have phases of being "fashionable" for startups, but they all end up buying the .com.

All these newbies trying to create a market for the gTLD's because they are the only domains that are easy to buy is just getting old... gTLDS failed.

Do your homework, work hard, and buy .com - It will continue to dominate... 99% of the people on NamePros will readily admit that if they were to start a real business, it would be on a .com domain...

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Nothing against the .com I do have a few great ones in my portfolio, I will continue to buy them when the price is right. To say the .com is becoming more dominant is just silly, it is losing ground and will continue to lose ground.

If you have a really solid .com portfolio, pay attention for the next few years. The new names have killed the value of the .net and the .com may follow. I'm not saying it is going to happen but maybe pay attention. If you start seeing more and more of the new names in the search results, that could be a signal to sell.

LovingLife said:

If you have a really solid .com portfolio, pay attention for the next few years. The new names have killed the value of the .net and the .com may follow. I'm not saying it is going to happen but maybe pay attention. If you start seeing more and more of the new names in the search results, that could be a signal to sell.

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I doubt that this were the new names as most startups go to .io or .co as an alternative to .net.

Most sales got to .co or .io not the new TLDs.

I would watch .io and .co if worried

To say the .com is becoming more dominant is just silly, it is losing ground and will continue to lose ground.

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it is not losing ground because people need a default extension, this could be anything like .cur or .dor or .im it does not matter but since we started with .com we will remain there.

alternatives will never eliminate the need for a default extension but they can eliminate competing alternatives.

dordomai said:

it does not matter but since we started with .com we will remain there.

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The .com is for sure to stay for many years the king of the hill. You have a point to watch the .io and the .co
I would also keep an eye out for the new names.

But .com is the oldest one out there, to be honest .com still has great value.
New gLTD domains are developing.
Such as .top
According to the latest statistics released by the overseas statistics website namestat.org, in the world's new top-level domain name registration list,.TOP domain names ranked third on the list with 1,870,539 registrations.
I am optimistic about the future development of new top-level domain .top.