new gtlds We want to go on record about newly introduced domain name extensions

Business Brands · Oct 17, 2017

Hello.

We want to go on record and voice our opinion on recently introduced domain name extensions.

We consider newly introduced domain name extensions such as .club, .click, .xyz and other domain name extensions, that are not a country code extension, nonviable and predict their extinction in the nearest future. If they do not go completely extinct, they may stay stagnant like .mobi does.

We do not support them, we did not register them, we do not broker them and we do not recommend them.

They do not bring any new benefits to compensate for the cost of education about their existence.

Kind regards,

AlejandroGarcia · Oct 22, 2017

DomainNameBroker.com vs KINGOF.TOP:

Like Will Ferrell vs Zach Galifianakis as Cam Brady and Marty Huggins.

Childish but entertaining. Enjoying this thread, please more.

creataweb · Oct 22, 2017

AlejandroGarcia said:
DomainNameBroker.com vs KINGOF.TOP:

Like Will Ferrell vs Zach Galifianakis as Cam Brady and Marty Huggins.

Childish but entertaining. Enjoying this thread, please more.

Lol.

Long live .com

garptrader · Oct 22, 2017

Any domain which doesn't cover its renewal cost with parking revenue is somewhat speculative. The investor is anticipating that for every 100 domains held, X% of those will sell at an average price of $Y and net of commissions sales will cover renewals. .COM portfolios can operate in the red but alt TLD portfolios are more likely to do so. The evidence suggests NTLD portfolios are in deep trouble. Domains are not a videogame. Real money is at stake. While one large sale can potentially cover many renewals, it is prudent to not ignore reality. Years of operating in the red can be disastrous. Make the proper adjustments so that a $xxxx loss does not turn into a $XX,XXX loss.

TOP Registry · Oct 23, 2017

bmugford said:
Looks like 3rdfrom.top is a more appropriate domain now.

Brad

offthehandle said:
@TOP Registry where is the answer to my questions above? You come on this forum, and post these generalized statements- and I ask you a simple, direct and legitimate question, then you disappear? Why?

Where are the end user websites that use your extension? What is their SERP ranking?

Hello i did not disappear , I just back to the real world and enjoy my weekend.

DOMAIN ILLUMINATI · Oct 23, 2017

offthehandle said:
@KINGOF.TOP I would love to hear what you have to state as facts to defend your choice in extension. I truly do! (Maybe instead of the continuous mumbo jumbo posting of your longtail name toptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptop.com)

http://www.killuminatidomain.top/ what in the world is this page anyway?

You could help enlighten the rest of us on behalf of your registry friend who posted above maybe too, help them out by answering my questions above!!!. I am truly interested in the hard data, the facts of which websites are hosted in the .TOP extension- I mean REAL companies, with REAL products, with REAL Sales and REAL websites are using .TOP !

Please post links to famous TOP websites. I mean, it's sad.

A perfect advertising opportunity by the Registry is being thrown away- wasted. Think about it.
S.Top does not even resolve to anything! Not even a registry page, or for sale page. That's about the most obvious and most valuable and only one character domain letter in front of TOP ! The Top Registry should capitalize on it and have it as their main page!

Surprisingly my previous replies to you from yesterday got deleted (?) - now I don't want to write it all again.
But I am sure you will find answers if you search for them.

BTW (again), I don't own a domain called "toptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptoptop.com" (such a domain is not registerable, max. number of allowed characters is 63), please refer only to domains I own if you write in my context.

MasterOfMyDomains · Oct 23, 2017

DomainNameBroker.com said:
We do not find any legitimate motive for end user adoption of these extensions. Do you?

BumpToThe.Top
Seems like there is more questions than answers

tetrapak · Oct 23, 2017

garptrader said:
I would prefer a .Net domain over any new TLD but despite the fact .Net is #2 in registrations and has ample end user usage, .Net is very difficult to sell in the aftermarket. I still have some .Net but after dropping close to 90% of my .Net registrations from years back, I will probably let a few more go in the next few months. Any surprise why I think nTLDs are a waste of money?

Yes. I'm an end-user myself. I build on these domains. Nowadays I'm only buying .net's, as they are very cheap and they perfectly match what I need. I need short and descriptive domains. The dot com is normally either already developed or goes for big bucks. The other extensions are far less appealing to me. If .org, .info, .biz didn't take over .net, then why would .top, .xzy? Especially that the latter has unpredictable premium pricing. To me it's clear that they are simply cheap (excluding the hilarious pricing of the premiums) alternatives to well established extensions that work most of the time perfectly (excluding when you need domain hacks, then the new extensions can come handy as well as cctlds!).

tetrapak · Oct 23, 2017

I'm troubled that my post pointing out trolling gets deleted but senseless trolling with zero added informational value can go on. Mods?

dordomai · Oct 23, 2017

Wow what a thread. This is domaining in the real world.

HotKey · Oct 23, 2017

dordomai said:
Wow what a thread. This is domaining in the real world.

Hyperbole in the domaining world..

BML · Oct 23, 2017

tetrapak said:
I'm troubled that my post pointing out trolling gets deleted but senseless trolling with zero added informational value can go on. Mods?

Same happened to me in another thread with same OP trolling. I tried to troll him

in very subtle way but I got deleted instead

. Well there is always another day

creataweb · Oct 23, 2017

BML said:
Same happened to me in another thread with same OP trolling. I tried to troll him in very subtle way but I got deleted instead . Well there is always another day

Lol.

Hello.

We want to go on record and voice our opinion on recently introduced domain name extensions.

We consider newly introduced domain name extensions such as .club, .click, .xyz and other domain name extensions, that are not a country code extension, nonviable and predict their extinction in the nearest future. If they do not go completely extinct, they may stay stagnant like .mobi does.

We do not support them, we did not register them, we do not broker them and we do not recommend them.

They do not bring any new benefits to compensate for the cost of education about their existence.

Kind regards,

You should sue them out of existence.

offthehandle · Oct 23, 2017

I posted specific questions of usage to two promoters of their extension. No responsive replies imo, and worse yet the non response was a “Registry Representative” of the .Top extension recently joining the forum and ignoring an opportunity to actually participate in bringing a positive light and provide end user websites, sure is sad.

That only further supports that the extension has little if no end user support other than 301’s to a .Com.

@tetrapak I agree on .Net in fact have purchased quite a few.

garptrader · Oct 23, 2017

offthehandle said:
I posted specific questions of usage to two promoters of their extension. No responsive replies imo, and worse yet the non response was a “Registry Representative” of the .Top extension recently joining the forum and ignoring an opportunity to actually participate in bringing a positive light and provide end user websites, sure is sad.

That only further supports that the extension has little if no end user support other than 301’s to a .Com.

@tetrapak I agree on .Net in fact have purchased quite a few.

According to Namestat, the .TOP tld has 756 websites amongst the Alexa's 1 million most heavily trafficked sites. 756 out of a million is a relatively small figure and there are several other nTLDs with higher figures. I am not sure what percentage of the Alexa 1 million are .COM sites though it is likely .COM is #1 among heavily-trafficked sites.

Note that about 90% of .TOP registrations are from China so once the Chinese get bored and move on to speculating in something else (remember the numeric and CHIP craze of a couple years ago?) the .TOP TLD will collapse.

offthehandle · Oct 24, 2017

garptrader said:
According to Namestat, the .TOP tld has 756 websites amongst the Alexa's 1 million most heavily trafficked sites. 756 out of a million is a relatively small figure and there are several other nTLDs with higher figures. I am not sure what percentage of the Alexa 1 million are .COM sites though it is likely .COM is #1 among heavily-trafficked sites.

Note that about 90% of .TOP registrations are from China so once the Chinese get bored and move on to speculating in something else (remember the numeric and CHIP craze of a couple years ago?) the .TOP TLD will collapse.

Thank you, that is sort of what I thought few ranked and probably non english. Btw What URL is that you mentioned for namestat? Namestat . Com Its parked and the plural is verisign. I looked at ntldstats yesterday but not enough info. I’d be interested in digging around.

Recently I looked at common .com suffixes, and noticed in top million on quantcast the domainnameHQ. com was ranked and more common than expected. No country code hack yet for HQ... yet. Lol. Lots of DomainNameCLUB. Com too.
Read today about .INC, .LLC AND .LLP today

garptrader · Oct 24, 2017

offthehandle said:
Thank you, that is sort of what I thought few ranked and probably non english. Btw What URL is that you mentioned for namestat? Namestat . Com Its parked and the plural is verisign. I looked at ntldstats yesterday but not enough info. I’d be interested in digging around.

Recently I looked at common .com suffixes, and noticed in top million on quantcast the domainnameHQ. com was ranked and more common than expected. No country code hack yet for HQ... yet. Lol. Lots of DomainNameCLUB. Com too.
Read today about .INC, .LLC AND .LLP today

I may have misinterpreted the numbers on one of their links as I see a different figure on another page of their site. Anyway, .TOP has nothing to brag relative to .COM. .TOP has lost more than 2.5 million registrations thus far in 2017. Watch what happens over the next few years....

https://namestat.org/s/newgtld-summary

https://namestat.org/top

jmcc · Oct 24, 2017

offthehandle said:
Thank you, that is sort of what I thought few ranked and probably non english. Btw What URL is that you mentioned for namestat? Namestat . Com Its parked and the plural is verisign. I looked at ntldstats yesterday but not enough info. I’d be interested in digging around.

Namestat.org generates its stats from the daily zonefiles and and from the ICANN registry reports from what I remember and it is a good reference site.

Using Alexa data to indicate the health or otherwise of a TLD is not a good thing as Alexa is not a high quality dataset.

The .TOP gTLD is an overwhelmingly Chinese market gTLD (83.9%) and has minimal usage outside that market. Despite King Of Top's hopes that it will be a universal gTLD that will overtake .COM, it is still a Chinese market gTLD and that is unlikely to change for the immediate future. There are some new gTLDs that are majority Chinese market gTLDs due to various discounting promotions by the registries to grow their zonefiles but the .TOP gTLD is a genuinely Chinese gTLD.

Regards...jmcc

offthehandle · Oct 24, 2017

jmcc said:
Namestat.org generates its stats from the daily zonefiles and and from the ICANN registry reports from what I remember and it is a good reference site.

Using Alexa data to indicate the health or otherwise of a TLD is not a good thing as Alexa is not a high quality dataset.

The .TOP gTLD is an overwhelmingly Chinese market gTLD (83.9%) and has minimal usage outside that market. Despite King Of Top's hopes that it will be a universal gTLD that will overtake .COM, it is still a Chinese market gTLD and that is unlikely to change for the immediate future. There are some new gTLDs that are majority Chinese market gTLDs due to various discounting promotions by the registries to grow their zonefiles but the .TOP gTLD is a genuinely Chinese gTLD.

Regards...jmcc

Well, if .Top at 83% and it isn’t accepted in other markets it will remain chinese. I noticed yesterday that the .INC extension is controlled out of Hong Kong:
http://domainincite.com/22216-this-is-who-won-the-inc-llc-and-llp-gtld-auctions

I was thinking .INC it might be a better alternative to the .IO and .AI hacks. Not sure where it goes. But, Who knows if only for existing corps as defensive.

Thanks for your post, I like your website. You must have invested a lot of effort into the automated API’s that gather and update it. Other than Alexa and Quantcast, I am not aware of any other independent of google SERP aggregators. Do you have any recomendations? I have used many other SEO tools but they dont overlap well on many unrelated websites at once but target specific relative comparisons like SEMrush, majestic, a hrefs, kwfinder, similarweb, etc.

mpls · Oct 24, 2017

garptrader said:
According to Namestat, the .TOP tld has 756 websites amongst the Alexa's 1 million most heavily trafficked sites. 756 out of a million is a relatively small figure and there are several other nTLDs with higher figures.

Have you checked that sites?
.top sites in Alexa's 1 million are, in 60 / 70 %: malware sites, backdoors, cloacking, pirate sites...

Recons.Com · Oct 24, 2017

TOP Registry said:
Hello！anyway thanks for your reply.

Which i mean 'dry out ' is premium.com domain name resources.
For example, if I would like to register at.com but it has been registered since 1993, so compared to other domain name extensions, at.top is a perfect choice for me.
I do not understand why are you resist the development of new things.
.com as an old top-level domain name, developed for so such a long time and I think new domain name extensions also need time to develop themselves.
Our registrants are all over the world including the USA, but if you think United States is also small domaining world , then I have nothing to reply.

So there are flat publications. Newspapers, magazines... They are old. You come up with the idea to print and distribute your periodical in a shape of a bucket. It is new. Let's all cheer for the "development of a new thing".

jmcc · Oct 25, 2017

offthehandle said:
Well, if .Top at 83% and it isn’t accepted in other markets it will remain chinese. I noticed yesterday that the .INC extension is controlled out of Hong Kong:
http://domainincite.com/22216-this-is-who-won-the-inc-llc-and-llp-gtld-auctions

I was thinking .INC it might be a better alternative to the .IO and .AI hacks. Not sure where it goes. But, Who knows if only for existing corps as defensive.

The .IO and .AI ccTLDs are niche rather than generic. The .INC is a gTLD aimed specifically at businesses using the Incorporated (inc.) business form. It has potential but it could be a potential minefield for anyone trying to speculate in the gTLD.

Thanks for your post, I like your website. You must have invested a lot of effort into the automated API’s that gather and update it.

Namestat.org is @NameStat 's website rather than mine. He has put a lot of work into it and it is very usable. It concentrates on new gTLDs. My own has about 17 years of data on gTLDs and the HTML has been known to make grown web developers cry.

Other than Alexa and Quantcast, I am not aware of any other independent of google SERP aggregators. Do you have any recomendations? I have used many other SEO tools but they dont overlap well on many unrelated websites at once but target specific relative comparisons like SEMrush, majestic, a hrefs, kwfinder, similarweb, etc.

Google seems to be shifting its emphasis from links to artificial stupidity. It does not want to lose customers to websites and tries to keep them on Google properties with things like the "Knowledge graph" which use your data for Google's financial benefit.

While link building is still supposed to work, it may be less important. SEMrush, Majestic, Ahrefs etc are all quite good for what they do but the main thing is to build your website for end users rather than search engines. The propaganda from Google's FUDbuddies in the SEO business and the media has actually affected linking in that many sites no longer link out to others from their index pages.

Regards...jmcc

Kate · Oct 25, 2017

jmcc said:
My own has about 17 years of data on gTLDs and the HTML has been known to make grown web developers cry.

Yup

BTW I get this message:
Server under undue load
386 visits from your IP-Address within the last 25 hours.
Please wait 10 hours before retrying.

I don't think that can be true, and I connect from a dedicated (not shared) IP address.

DOMAIN ILLUMINATI · Oct 25, 2017

jmcc said:
Namestat.org generates its stats from the daily zonefiles and and from the ICANN registry reports from what I remember and it is a good reference site.

Using Alexa data to indicate the health or otherwise of a TLD is not a good thing as Alexa is not a high quality dataset.

The .TOP gTLD is an overwhelmingly Chinese market gTLD (83.9%) and has minimal usage outside that market. Despite King Of Top's hopes that it will be a universal gTLD that will overtake .COM, it is still a Chinese market gTLD and that is unlikely to change for the immediate future. There are some new gTLDs that are majority Chinese market gTLDs due to various discounting promotions by the registries to grow their zonefiles but the .TOP gTLD is a genuinely Chinese gTLD.

Regards...jmcc

I appreciate your (and all others) expertive statements - but it's not that I "hope that .top will be a universal gTLD that will overtake .com" - I more have the insight that it is already an (the most) universal TLD which has already (since day #1) overtaken every other TLD (from it's meaning) and therefore also .com of course - no matter how many registrations.

Because of the fact that the www is global, I don't differ TLDs into chinese / other TLDs (except ccTLDs), no matter where is their "origin".
Except a few exceptions, everyone can use any TLD.

Actually I am not much wondering that .com is leading in numbers (not so in it's names meaning), most people choose what most people choosed, also in TLD matters.
Primarily .com was for about 30 years nearly the only possibility to choose.

The TLD .top is for those "whos minds are free from (not "influenced" by) .com's daily presence", .com is the standard TLD and therefore (apart from it's numbers) not anything special - while .top is the final TLD and therefore the most universal TLD ever.

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Samuel Adebo · Oct 25, 2017

What's the take on (.network /. Global)?

DOMAIN ILLUMINATI · Oct 25, 2017

Stuart54 said:
What's the take on (.network /. Global)?

It's what you are making out of it.

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