I think there is a decline in demand and price of .com domains because of new gTLDs. What's your opinion ?
there are others who have found ntld to be useful for organic traffic.
shoe.supply has expired(ebay.com with shoe.supply)
Indeed, some companies are using them for redirects or for secondary sites, but less often as primary URLs. I myself do not think they are proven enough for serious, large-scale projects. And also, I know they are not regulated like traditional extensions, something that most end users are not even aware of. If they knew what domainers know they would shun them even more.Big fortune 500 companies may never switch off their 2-3letter precious .com's - but many of these F500-2500 companies have actually rolled out projects and webpages that redirect to a domain hack or ntld.( meaning the decision was made not to use a .com -thus effecting growth) For short globally relevant extensions - people/companies will find use for them...
Again, it's wishful thinking. Even if that happens it will take forever to become the new norm. But the trends we are seeing so far are clear: nTLDs are not even keeping pace with the so-called old stuff. So let's acknowledge today's reality before making predictions about some kind of alternate future.Once the public becomes more aware of the ntld program - its a possibility choosing an ntld could become the norm for american small-businesses/brick and mortar shops and even other countries around the world.
A beggar at the front door of the restaurant will also put off customersTheres an old saying in the restaurant business "even if the guy next door only sells free water hes gonna steal business from you"
with this
"I own job.supply and it ranks better than jobsupply.com"
You're just making stuff up.
You didn't not give me a search term where it ranks higher. First, parked pages generally aren't ranking for anything besides maybe a search on the exact url. They're both parked pages. Both have the same keywords, job supply. The .com would probably rank higher in your scenario anyway.
Then you go on with other examples, I have no idea what you're talking about:
"there are others who have found ntld to be useful for organic traffic.(ebay.com with shoe.supply)"
shoe.supply? It's an expired page -
shoe.supply has expired
http://domain-registrar.storage.googleapis.com/expired.html?shoe.supply
So how is ebay finding that url useful for organic traffic exactly?
http://www.shoe.supply -
404. That’s an error.
The requested URL / was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
Ok then....home.supply for amazon.com - theres a plentiful list..
.info, .biz, .pro are 15+ years old and they are not a great investment proposition.
I don't know any new generation ngtld's from 5 years ago, if you are talking about pro, mobi, xxx, for me they are the same as biz, info. The new generation starts from the end of 2014 and most of them 2015-2016, so mostly 2 years old. Also these statistics are valid for US, if you check Europe, you will find out that 90% of the main dictionary words for .com are available in most european languages, so people care mostly about the cctld, except UK and with some extent Germany. At this point, from what I can see they ask more questions about ngtlds than about com, and I think that this is valid in other Asian and south american countries. You can't count just on US customers, because they provide between 15% and 30% traffic for most international websites, in our case sedo, afternic, brandbucket, they can't rely only on US. Let's take SEDO for example, if they will count just on .com and US traffic, they will cut 75% of their business.5 years ago we were told it would take 5 years for the nGTLDs to take off and .com would be dead after 10 years.
Now after 4 years we are told it will take them another 10-15 years to become popular. #fail
I'm curious, is there data to suggest there is a decline in demand and price of .com domains, and that the decline can be attributed to new gTLDs ?
I don't know any new generation ngtld's from 5 years ago, .
I think that this is valid in other Asian and south american countries.
Also these statistics are valid for US, if you check Europe, you will find out that 90% of the main dictionary words for .com are available in most european languages
At this point, from what I can see they ask more questions about ngtlds than about com,
you can't count just on US customers
It's interesting that such data is hard to get OR is it that the organizations involved putting this data together have found a reason not to publish it !
I'm convinced that .com prices have hit a big low, I suspect the main reason for this is because the re-sale market has exploded in recent years and now more and more .com's will change hands for a fraction of the market price..
We get you are convinced. Fanatics dont need facts. Kate was asking if you had any data to support your claims? It seems you attribute your missing data to conspiracy theories. So the reason that there is no data supporting your claim is that it is being suppressed?
This is the norm today. When you can not support your claim, its a big conspiracy and fake news. How about you start working?
You do know that you can compile you own research using resources like Namebio.com ? It does not take an organisation to compile a price chart. You just elect some parameters and start churning.
We get you are convinced. Fanatics dont need facts. Kate was asking if you had any data to support your claims? It seems you attribute your missing data to conspiracy theories. So the reason that there is no data supporting your claim is that it is being suppressed?
This is the norm today. When you can not support your claim, its a big conspiracy and fake news. How about you start working?
You do know that you can compile you own research using resources like Namebio.com ? It does not take an organisation to compile a price chart. You just elect some parameters and start churning.
I do agree with you sentiment about a flood of noobs investing in nGTLDs though. People with no experience and NO DATA to support their investment are loosing their shirts.
@doubleU
Why are you saying that the big organisations involved are suppressing data? If you really know anything about statistics you know that you have access to the same data points as anyone else and could make just as good stats as anyone else.. Again presuming you are of normal intelligence levels.. But you choose not to and tell us its not viable.
No data support your claim. My personal experience is that I have had record years every year since introduction of the nGTLD program and I have not sold a single one. 99% .com sales. So both from an experience and data analysis standpoint you have weak legs.
First, when I'm saying Asia, I not talking about China, there are 20-30 countries there.No no. This was predicted before the launch and we are now in year 4.
No not at all. :com is king in China.
I seriously doubt this. Any dictionary word that makes sense is registered in .com for any major EU language.
It does not matter because some countries (.de, .fr) were never .com centric. The nGTLDs can not succeed in that market because they don't provide local language TLDs which would not not be financially feasible because of the smaller market size.
that is the main target market for nGTLDs since they are English language TLDs
If they don't succeed in the US they won't succeed anywhere else.
A lot of ngtls, they work in most languages, like shop, club, online and lots more
et's see some english words available in some european languages, you can check which languages( I've used 5 minutes google translate)
There are 24 official languages in EU and the same word has more than one equivalents...the short story is that is hard to find somebody to give you more than xx for most .com's in national languages. I'm romanian living in Ireland and I have lived in France and Switzerland as well and travelled all over Europe. I've tried to find 10 websites in my country using .com...I could not think at more than 3 websites, and only one better known. I can give you one example: my cousin, who has a few offline shops and now he want's to expand, but he doesn't want com, he will use .eu and one ngtld. I have bought him the equivalent .com's just in case, but he said to drop them, because he will not use them just if he will reach US market, otherwise not.only a minority works in all languages, a domain like .xy.loan would not work in Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Russia, China etc.
These were all that I checked and 100% are taken in .com - I don't know what you were checking. Good keywords are not available usually
capital (English)
capitale (French)
kapital (German)
capitale (Spanish)
capitale (Italian)
kapitaal (Dutch)
Kapital (Swedish)
sermaye (Turkish)
Kapital (Norwegian)
Kapital (Polish)
Capital (Portuguese)
Capital (Romanian)
Kapital (Danish)
Toke (Hungarian)
There are 24 official languages in EU and the same word has more than one equivalents...the short story is that is hard to find somebody to give you more than xx for most .com's in national languages. I'm romanian living in Ireland and I have lived in France and Switzerland as well and travelled all over Europe. I've tried to find 10 websites in my country using .com...I could not think at more than 3 websites, and only one better known. I can give you one example: my cousin, who has a few offline shops and now he want's to expand, but he doesn't want com, he will use .eu and one ngtld. I have bought him the equivalent .com's just in case, but he said to drop them, because he will not use them just if he will reach US market, otherwise not.
I not talking about sales at this point, I'm talking about people using and talking about ngtlds more than .com...so I can try and find out a trend. I can give you another example: I own orbit.group and a few like this. Out of 10 outbound contacts, 3 in Europe, 3 in US and 4 in the rest of the world I've had discussion or offers regarding 3 of them: one from Poland, one from Bulgaria and one from Egipt, so none in US, that should say something. Maybe europeans are more open to ngtld's, because they see .com mostly like US tld than international....this is probably because amazon and the other big companies are using .com mainly for US market and cctld for european based sales and this is a fact. So probably over time .com will be used by US market mostly and the ngtlds will be used more as a general tlds.I agree that .com domains aren't worth much in many EU languages but nGTLDs will usually be worth even less so I don't see how this helps the new extensions. They have hardly a market globally and if you focus on a local language like romanian you are not going to find many buyers. Last month we had perhaps 17 non-registry nTLD sales reported in the entire world, how many sales are you going to make in Greek, Romanian, Polish etc.
seems really a waste of time.
I not talking about sales at this point, I'm talking about people using and talking about ngtlds more than .com...so I can try and find out a trend. I can give you another example: I own orbit.group and a few like this. Out of 10 outbound contacts, 3 in Europe, 3 in US and 4 in the rest of the world I've had discussion or offers regarding 3 of them: one from Poland, one from Bulgaria and one from Egipt, so none in US, that should say something. Maybe europeans are more open to ngtld's, because they see .com mostly like US tld than international....this is probably because amazon and the other big companies are using .com mainly for US market and cctld for european based sales and this is a fact. So probably over time .com will be used by US market mostly and the ngtlds will be used more as a general tlds.
By general, I mean if you have a club, you use .club, if you have a shop you use .shop...by general I was referring to area. If you are in an european country, three websites with exactly the same content and exactly the same url, except the tld changed, will be ranked different by google. CCtld will rank first, .eu will rank second, as regional together with other regional tld's and only at the last place .com and the other general tlds, so business owners tend to choose in this order. On top of that, at least in continental europe, .com is seen more as US tld than general....amazon.com is used by US market; amazon.fr is used by french market, so just if you really want to sell to US or get some US customers you will chose .com, otherwise you will use cctld/eu/old gtlds-ngtlds/.com in that order. Of course, the big players will buy .com as well, to be on the safe side, but the vast majority will not use it. Also, it's a big difference between US companies and EU companies, in US the percentage of big companies is much higher than in EU, where 90% of the business is made by small and medium companies.They're not obviously based on the numbers. Most are under 1%. 10 outbound is not a big enough number to see any type of trend. Then you said the offers you do get for them are low, xxx. Maybe they're responding and asking because they have no idea what they're looking at.
And then this:
"and the ngtlds will be used more as a general tlds."
How is that even possible when most are niche extensions? You just can't put any keyword with most of these. The ones that are general like .xyz, are pretty horrible letters.
On top of that, at least in continental europe, .com is seen more as US tld than general....
So, check top 100 italian websites and you will see around 7-8 using com in top 100 and they are not any way close to the top. I can tell you for sure than in Romania is just 1, in Austria I could find 3 com and one net, in Belgium 1 in top 50, in Germany 1 in top 50, in France 5 in the first 50....and in US just .com and 3-4 org's....so the difference will even higher when you check top 1000 or top 100.000 because the companies are smaller are tend to choose even more the local option.I disagree with that. .com is not viewed as an US TLD. It is simply viewed as a global TLD.
.com is second choice in Germany, Italy and many other countries, sometimes .net is also used. Both long before .eu
So, check top 100 italian websites and you will see around 7-8 using com in top 100 and they are not any way close to the top. I can tell you for sure than in Romania is just 1, in Austria I could find 3 com and one net, in Belgium 1 in top 50, in Germany 1 in top 50, in France 5 in the first 50....and in US just .com and 3-4 org's....so the difference will even higher when you check top 1000 or top 100.000 because the companies are smaller are tend to choose even more the local option.
I have checked some local statistics...and I don't count facebook and the others, because they are US based, not italian or german. I'm talking about local businesses and websites using .comDo you have a link to the sources you are using? I have no idea what the best are but searching I found:
25 of top 50 are .com
https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/italy
27 of top 50 are .com
https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/IT