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I think there is a decline in demand and price of .com domains because of new gTLDs. What's your opinion ?
 
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there are others who have found ntld to be useful for organic traffic.
(ebay.com with shoe.supply)
shoe.supply has expired :xf.frown:

Big fortune 500 companies may never switch off their 2-3letter precious .com's - but many of these F500-2500 companies have actually rolled out projects and webpages that redirect to a domain hack or ntld.( meaning the decision was made not to use a .com -thus effecting growth) For short globally relevant extensions - people/companies will find use for them...
Indeed, some companies are using them for redirects or for secondary sites, but less often as primary URLs. I myself do not think they are proven enough for serious, large-scale projects. And also, I know they are not regulated like traditional extensions, something that most end users are not even aware of. If they knew what domainers know they would shun them even more.

Once the public becomes more aware of the ntld program - its a possibility choosing an ntld could become the norm for american small-businesses/brick and mortar shops and even other countries around the world.
Again, it's wishful thinking. Even if that happens it will take forever to become the new norm. But the trends we are seeing so far are clear: nTLDs are not even keeping pace with the so-called old stuff. So let's acknowledge today's reality before making predictions about some kind of alternate future.

You said you ditched your ccTLD. Did you switch to a nTLD ? If not, why ?

I also see nTLDs on billboards or in magazines sometimes, but I have the impression that people are not really paying attention, and unless the URL is prefixed with www. many people will not even realize it is a URL, but think it is some kind of stylized slogan. So it's wasted advertising. And even if I see a company using .technology, it doesn't mean I want one. Merely being aware is just the start but it's not enough.
We are not yet past stage 1:
  1. Awareness
  2. Acceptance
  3. Embrace
Theres an old saying in the restaurant business "even if the guy next door only sells free water hes gonna steal business from you"
A beggar at the front door of the restaurant will also put off customers :xf.grin:
 
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with this

"I own job.supply and it ranks better than jobsupply.com"

You're just making stuff up.

You didn't not give me a search term where it ranks higher. First, parked pages generally aren't ranking for anything besides maybe a search on the exact url. They're both parked pages. Both have the same keywords, job supply. The .com would probably rank higher in your scenario anyway.

Then you go on with other examples, I have no idea what you're talking about:
"there are others who have found ntld to be useful for organic traffic.(ebay.com with shoe.supply)"

shoe.supply? It's an expired page -
shoe.supply has expired
http://domain-registrar.storage.googleapis.com/expired.html?shoe.supply

So how is ebay finding that url useful for organic traffic exactly?

http://www.shoe.supply -
404. That’s an error.

The requested URL / was not found on this server. That’s all we know.


Ok then....home.supply for amazon.com - theres a plentiful list..
 
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Kate,
Registrations are a statistic. Sales of domains that someone else sold (i.e a registrar) are a statistic which is often misleading as many reported registry sales are suspect - used to encourage investors into registering domains in that TLD. Follow up six months later to see if those domains are being used by a real business. You will find quite often they are not.

How are .COM aftermarket portfolios performing sales vs renewal costs in recent years since new TLDs were launched?

How are legacy TLD portfolios such as .Net, .Info, .TV, performing the last few years - sales vs renewals?

Yes, there are low-budget developers and end users using new TLDs. They might have paid low $xxx previously for a .COM or .Net but now can get a domain for $XX. Registries are selling the best new TLDs but how are most new TLD aftermarket portfolios doing sales vs renewal costs? The evidence - few reported sales versus a massive number of registrations suggests they are performing very poorly.

I do believe new TLDs have given low-budget end users options and have affected alt TLD sales such as .Net and .TV.
 
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Ok then....home.supply for amazon.com - theres a plentiful list..

You mean this is owned by Amazon? I doubt it. Amazon have registered 1000 of nTLDs with their mark in it under their name for protective reasons NOT usage (see Amazon.hiv) but home.supply is not owned by Amazon it is an Amazon affiliate redirect it seems.

shoe.supply was not owned by Ebay either I would guess at least now it is under privacy. Ebay usually don't use privacy. Probably an affiliate link redirect from a domainer.

I don't know why we always need to make up stories and hype regarding the new extensions, to my best knowledge neither Amazon nor Ebay do much with them if anything at all.

Large corporations don't think like domainers and don't care about domains all they want to do is protect their brand.


A few years ago we were told the new extensions will kill .com. At the moment it seems .com is killing the new extensions? No growth in the past 6 months.
 
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.info, .biz, .pro are 15+ years old and they are not a great investment proposition.


5 years ago we were told it would take 5 years for the nGTLDs to take off and .com would be dead after 10 years.

Now after 4 years we are told it will take them another 10-15 years to become popular. #fail
 
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5 years ago we were told it would take 5 years for the nGTLDs to take off and .com would be dead after 10 years.

Now after 4 years we are told it will take them another 10-15 years to become popular. #fail
I don't know any new generation ngtld's from 5 years ago, if you are talking about pro, mobi, xxx, for me they are the same as biz, info. The new generation starts from the end of 2014 and most of them 2015-2016, so mostly 2 years old. Also these statistics are valid for US, if you check Europe, you will find out that 90% of the main dictionary words for .com are available in most european languages, so people care mostly about the cctld, except UK and with some extent Germany. At this point, from what I can see they ask more questions about ngtlds than about com, and I think that this is valid in other Asian and south american countries. You can't count just on US customers, because they provide between 15% and 30% traffic for most international websites, in our case sedo, afternic, brandbucket, they can't rely only on US. Let's take SEDO for example, if they will count just on .com and US traffic, they will cut 75% of their business.
 
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I'm curious, is there data to suggest there is a decline in demand and price of .com domains, and that the decline can be attributed to new gTLDs ?

It's interesting that such data is hard to get OR is it that the organizations involved putting this data together have found a reason not to publish it !

I'm convinced that .com prices have hit a big low, I suspect the main reason for this is because the re-sale market has exploded in recent years and now more and more .com's will change hands for a fraction of the market price.

New gTLD's have brought a lot of new investors to the market, dissuaded many from .com and energized the reseller markets.
 
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I don't know any new generation ngtld's from 5 years ago, .

No no. This was predicted before the launch and we are now in year 4.

I think that this is valid in other Asian and south american countries.

No not at all. :com is king in China.

Also these statistics are valid for US, if you check Europe, you will find out that 90% of the main dictionary words for .com are available in most european languages

I seriously doubt this. Any dictionary word that makes sense is registered in .com for any major EU language.

At this point, from what I can see they ask more questions about ngtlds than about com,

It does not matter because some countries (.de, .fr) were never .com centric. The nGTLDs can not succeed in that market because they don't provide local language TLDs which would not not be financially feasible because of the smaller market size.

you can't count just on US customers

that is the main target market for nGTLDs since they are English language TLDs

If they don't succeed in the US they won't succeed anywhere else.
 
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It's interesting that such data is hard to get OR is it that the organizations involved putting this data together have found a reason not to publish it !

I'm convinced that .com prices have hit a big low, I suspect the main reason for this is because the re-sale market has exploded in recent years and now more and more .com's will change hands for a fraction of the market price..

We get you are convinced. Fanatics dont need facts. Kate was asking if you had any data to support your claims? It seems you attribute your missing data to conspiracy theories. So the reason that there is no data supporting your claim is that it is being suppressed?

This is the norm today. When you can not support your claim, its a big conspiracy and fake news. How about you start working?

You do know that you can compile you own research using resources like Namebio.com ? It does not take an organisation to compile a price chart. You just elect some parameters and start churning.

I do agree with you sentiment about a flood of noobs investing in nGTLDs though. People with no experience and NO DATA to support their investment are loosing their shirts.
 
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We get you are convinced. Fanatics dont need facts. Kate was asking if you had any data to support your claims? It seems you attribute your missing data to conspiracy theories. So the reason that there is no data supporting your claim is that it is being suppressed?

This is the norm today. When you can not support your claim, its a big conspiracy and fake news. How about you start working?

You do know that you can compile you own research using resources like Namebio.com ? It does not take an organisation to compile a price chart. You just elect some parameters and start churning.

Kate had already posted public data that showed ZERO growth in the last 6 months. Hard to argue against this.

Basically they stopped growing once no new TLDs where released. Despite that we are told this is a growth market.

.scam
 
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We get you are convinced. Fanatics dont need facts. Kate was asking if you had any data to support your claims? It seems you attribute your missing data to conspiracy theories. So the reason that there is no data supporting your claim is that it is being suppressed?

This is the norm today. When you can not support your claim, its a big conspiracy and fake news. How about you start working?

You do know that you can compile you own research using resources like Namebio.com ? It does not take an organisation to compile a price chart. You just elect some parameters and start churning.

I do agree with you sentiment about a flood of noobs investing in nGTLDs though. People with no experience and NO DATA to support their investment are loosing their shirts.

The reseller market is almost impossible to track with any degree of accuracy, to many of these sales are private or fall below $100 and thus do not get reported by namebio etc

@promo I have studied statistics and probability I am very well aware of how to compile such reports but this time it's not viable !

@promo if you have any other questions please don't hesitate to ask I'm here to help you !
 
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@doubleU

Why are you saying that the big organisations involved are suppressing data? If you really know anything about statistics you know that you have access to the same data points as anyone else and could make just as good stats as anyone else.. Again presuming you are of normal intelligence levels.. But you choose not to and tell us its not viable.

No data support your claim. My personal experience is that I have had record years every year since introduction of the nGTLD program and I have not sold a single one. 99% .com sales. So both from an experience and data analysis standpoint you have weak legs.
 
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@doubleU

Why are you saying that the big organisations involved are suppressing data? If you really know anything about statistics you know that you have access to the same data points as anyone else and could make just as good stats as anyone else.. Again presuming you are of normal intelligence levels.. But you choose not to and tell us its not viable.

No data support your claim. My personal experience is that I have had record years every year since introduction of the nGTLD program and I have not sold a single one. 99% .com sales. So both from an experience and data analysis standpoint you have weak legs.

Hard to believe your a domain broker, like I said I'm here to help you but you have to let me !
 
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No no. This was predicted before the launch and we are now in year 4.



No not at all. :com is king in China.



I seriously doubt this. Any dictionary word that makes sense is registered in .com for any major EU language.



It does not matter because some countries (.de, .fr) were never .com centric. The nGTLDs can not succeed in that market because they don't provide local language TLDs which would not not be financially feasible because of the smaller market size.



that is the main target market for nGTLDs since they are English language TLDs

If they don't succeed in the US they won't succeed anywhere else.
First, when I'm saying Asia, I not talking about China, there are 20-30 countries there.
Let's see some english words available in some european languages, you can check which languages( I've used 5 minutes google translate): option, traffic, capital, shopping center-all these english words and other thousands are available in at least some european languages in .com, and there are others like 'diamond' used for a bagel shop, so not really valuable.
A lot of ngtls, they work in most languages, like shop, club, online and lots more
 
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A lot of ngtls, they work in most languages, like shop, club, online and lots more

only a minority works in all languages, a domain like .xy.loan would not work in Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Russia, China etc.

et's see some english words available in some european languages, you can check which languages( I've used 5 minutes google translate)

These were all that I checked and 100% are taken in .com - I don't know what you were checking. Good keywords are not available usually

capital (English)
capitale (French)
kapital (German)
capitale (Spanish)
capitale (Italian)
kapitaal (Dutch)
Kapital (Swedish)
sermaye (Turkish)
Kapital (Norwegian)
Kapital (Polish)
Capital (Portuguese)
Capital (Romanian)
Kapital (Danish)
Toke (Hungarian)
 
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only a minority works in all languages, a domain like .xy.loan would not work in Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Russia, China etc.



These were all that I checked and 100% are taken in .com - I don't know what you were checking. Good keywords are not available usually

capital (English)
capitale (French)
kapital (German)
capitale (Spanish)
capitale (Italian)
kapitaal (Dutch)
Kapital (Swedish)
sermaye (Turkish)
Kapital (Norwegian)
Kapital (Polish)
Capital (Portuguese)
Capital (Romanian)
Kapital (Danish)
Toke (Hungarian)
There are 24 official languages in EU and the same word has more than one equivalents...the short story is that is hard to find somebody to give you more than xx for most .com's in national languages. I'm romanian living in Ireland and I have lived in France and Switzerland as well and travelled all over Europe. I've tried to find 10 websites in my country using .com...I could not think at more than 3 websites, and only one better known. I can give you one example: my cousin, who has a few offline shops and now he want's to expand, but he doesn't want com, he will use .eu and one ngtld. I have bought him the equivalent .com's just in case, but he said to drop them, because he will not use them just if he will reach US market, otherwise not.
 
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There are 24 official languages in EU and the same word has more than one equivalents...the short story is that is hard to find somebody to give you more than xx for most .com's in national languages. I'm romanian living in Ireland and I have lived in France and Switzerland as well and travelled all over Europe. I've tried to find 10 websites in my country using .com...I could not think at more than 3 websites, and only one better known. I can give you one example: my cousin, who has a few offline shops and now he want's to expand, but he doesn't want com, he will use .eu and one ngtld. I have bought him the equivalent .com's just in case, but he said to drop them, because he will not use them just if he will reach US market, otherwise not.

I agree that .com domains aren't worth much in many EU languages but nGTLDs will usually be worth even less so I don't see how this helps the new extensions. They have hardly a market globally and if you focus on a local language like romanian you are not going to find many buyers. Last month we had perhaps 17 non-registry nTLD sales reported in the entire world, how many sales are you going to make in Greek, Romanian, Polish etc.

seems really a waste of time.
 
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I agree that .com domains aren't worth much in many EU languages but nGTLDs will usually be worth even less so I don't see how this helps the new extensions. They have hardly a market globally and if you focus on a local language like romanian you are not going to find many buyers. Last month we had perhaps 17 non-registry nTLD sales reported in the entire world, how many sales are you going to make in Greek, Romanian, Polish etc.

seems really a waste of time.
I not talking about sales at this point, I'm talking about people using and talking about ngtlds more than .com...so I can try and find out a trend. I can give you another example: I own orbit.group and a few like this. Out of 10 outbound contacts, 3 in Europe, 3 in US and 4 in the rest of the world I've had discussion or offers regarding 3 of them: one from Poland, one from Bulgaria and one from Egipt, so none in US, that should say something. Maybe europeans are more open to ngtld's, because they see .com mostly like US tld than international....this is probably because amazon and the other big companies are using .com mainly for US market and cctld for european based sales and this is a fact. So probably over time .com will be used by US market mostly and the ngtlds will be used more as a general tlds.
 
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I not talking about sales at this point, I'm talking about people using and talking about ngtlds more than .com...so I can try and find out a trend. I can give you another example: I own orbit.group and a few like this. Out of 10 outbound contacts, 3 in Europe, 3 in US and 4 in the rest of the world I've had discussion or offers regarding 3 of them: one from Poland, one from Bulgaria and one from Egipt, so none in US, that should say something. Maybe europeans are more open to ngtld's, because they see .com mostly like US tld than international....this is probably because amazon and the other big companies are using .com mainly for US market and cctld for european based sales and this is a fact. So probably over time .com will be used by US market mostly and the ngtlds will be used more as a general tlds.

They're not obviously based on the numbers. Most are under 1%. 10 outbound is not a big enough number to see any type of trend. Then you said the offers you do get for them are low, xxx. Maybe they're responding and asking because they have no idea what they're looking at.

And then this:

"and the ngtlds will be used more as a general tlds."

How is that even possible when most are niche extensions? You just can't put any keyword with most of these. The ones that are general like .xyz, are pretty horrible letters.
 
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They're not obviously based on the numbers. Most are under 1%. 10 outbound is not a big enough number to see any type of trend. Then you said the offers you do get for them are low, xxx. Maybe they're responding and asking because they have no idea what they're looking at.

And then this:

"and the ngtlds will be used more as a general tlds."

How is that even possible when most are niche extensions? You just can't put any keyword with most of these. The ones that are general like .xyz, are pretty horrible letters.
By general, I mean if you have a club, you use .club, if you have a shop you use .shop...by general I was referring to area. If you are in an european country, three websites with exactly the same content and exactly the same url, except the tld changed, will be ranked different by google. CCtld will rank first, .eu will rank second, as regional together with other regional tld's and only at the last place .com and the other general tlds, so business owners tend to choose in this order. On top of that, at least in continental europe, .com is seen more as US tld than general....amazon.com is used by US market; amazon.fr is used by french market, so just if you really want to sell to US or get some US customers you will chose .com, otherwise you will use cctld/eu/old gtlds-ngtlds/.com in that order. Of course, the big players will buy .com as well, to be on the safe side, but the vast majority will not use it. Also, it's a big difference between US companies and EU companies, in US the percentage of big companies is much higher than in EU, where 90% of the business is made by small and medium companies.
 
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On top of that, at least in continental europe, .com is seen more as US tld than general....

I disagree with that. .com is not viewed as an US TLD. It is simply viewed as a global TLD.

.com is second choice in Germany, Italy and many other countries, sometimes .net is also used. Both long before .eu
 
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I disagree with that. .com is not viewed as an US TLD. It is simply viewed as a global TLD.

.com is second choice in Germany, Italy and many other countries, sometimes .net is also used. Both long before .eu
So, check top 100 italian websites and you will see around 7-8 using com in top 100 and they are not any way close to the top. I can tell you for sure than in Romania is just 1, in Austria I could find 3 com and one net, in Belgium 1 in top 50, in Germany 1 in top 50, in France 5 in the first 50....and in US just .com and 3-4 org's....so the difference will even higher when you check top 1000 or top 100.000 because the companies are smaller are tend to choose even more the local option.
And regarding .com viewed as a global tld, I can assure you that it's not the case....even more, I can tell you that there are a lot of business owners who don't like the idea that the so named 'global' tld is run by US government and it's under US laws and they will use .com just as a cover for not loosing traffic and not as the main website, because they don't want to obey an authority 10k miles away, so they trust more the cctld-this was said a few months ago by a UK business owner and there are lot's of european business owners who don't like this fact. Probably this played a big role of not adopting .com in such a big numbers and that why I'm saying that ngtlds have a chance in Europe, because they see it as something private owned and not run by a certain government.
 
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So, check top 100 italian websites and you will see around 7-8 using com in top 100 and they are not any way close to the top. I can tell you for sure than in Romania is just 1, in Austria I could find 3 com and one net, in Belgium 1 in top 50, in Germany 1 in top 50, in France 5 in the first 50....and in US just .com and 3-4 org's....so the difference will even higher when you check top 1000 or top 100.000 because the companies are smaller are tend to choose even more the local option.

Do you have a link to the sources you are using? I have no idea what the best are but searching I found for top sites in Italy, far different from 7/8 out of 100, more like half.

25 of top 50 are .com
https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/italy

27 of top 50 are .com
https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/IT
 
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Do you have a link to the sources you are using? I have no idea what the best are but searching I found:

25 of top 50 are .com
https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/italy

27 of top 50 are .com
https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/IT
I have checked some local statistics...and I don't count facebook and the others, because they are US based, not italian or german. I'm talking about local businesses and websites using .com

If facebook and twitter are popular in some countries, they are using .com all over the world, so you can't count them as local.
 
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