news Neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer to lose domain name

carob said:

What is being reported was that they were inciting violence. Inciting people to break the law is also a crime.

Bear in mind Godaddy asked them to leave, they did not shut them down - Google did, once they transferred the domain to Google. So as well as Godaddy, there is Google to discuss.

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So I assume that there must be clear evidence of them inciting actual harm? Or, again, are they merely spouting hateful things on their own website? If there's proof that they caused harm to someone by inciting violence, then they obviously should be punished and suffer the consequences. However, simply "being reported" is vastly different from being convicted. Also, it's important to keep in mind that despite everyone's temper being hot right now, that from a legal standpoint, in order for actions to pass as incitement, such actions would have to pass the “imminence” requirement. There's a lot of info on the internet regarding this slippery slope. I haven't researched this daily stormer group so I will just ask the question to anyone here who may have some additional facts: Have they ever been convicted of a violent/hate crime, or is GoDaddy/Google simply appealing to the trend that if you don't publicly denounce racism 24/7, then you must be a racist? So again, it makes me wonder whether they are just choosing to ban them based on grossly different ideologies, regardless of whether they are extreme or not. Granted, Daily Stormer is likely the biggest P.O.S group that we have seen in a while, however, we have to also keep in mind that it's not the government's job to grant freedom of speech - it's to protect it. Seeing that both Google and GoDaddy are "private companies" (that can be debated considering their size and monopoly of the internet) it is an extremely dangerous precedent to shut down someone purely based on the fact that the aforementioned group has a viewpoint/ideology different (even if its extreme) than what the company (or even the majority of the public) believes in. If they are directly linked to a crime or crimes, then by all means shut them down.

Bottom line: if you run a hosting service and you have a customer that gets you a lot of complaints, bad press, DDOS etc at some point you pull the plug because it makes sense as a business decision before philosophical considerations kick in.

Was reading about the rally in Boston and saw somebody tweet about them. Seems their site is up again on a .lol

FIrst Godaddy, then 2 other domain hosts (.ru & .wang), and now NameCheap won't host them on the .lol name. https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/

Seems like a total conspiracy to blacklist the website.

Just 11 years ago Borat (played by a Jewish actor) sung this song in a popular Hollywood movie.

If that movie came out today how much backlash would it get before it got blacklisted?
Now if anyone makes a joke or uses satire against democrats, jewish people, the alt-left... they'll be put on some sort of neo-nazi list for life.

Tech companies including Google, Facebook, Microsoft are spending millions opposing Gov demands to crackdown on sex trafficking and exploitation of young and underage girls.

They claim to be humble service providers, not gatekeepers, citing free speech protected by the #1A.

I think this week has proven their lawsuit is about money, not free speech or at least they are willing to be a gatekeeper when they finally find an idea they don't like.

Apparently, as long as they're marking making money, exploiting underage girls, sex trafficking and prostitution, which are actual crimes, is less of a priority than denying people who they disagree with a platform to speak.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh...-accused-of-aiding-sex-trafficking-2016-07-11

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...om-sues-over-missouri-human-trafficking-probe

mr-x said:

Tech companies including Google, Facebook, Microsoft are spending millions opposing Gov demands to crackdown on sex trafficking and exploitation of young and underage girls.

They claim to be humble service providers, not gatekeepers, citing free speech protected by the #1A.

I think this week has proven their lawsuit is about money, not free speech or at least they are willing to be a gatekeeper when they finally find an idea they don't like.

Apparently, as long as they're marking making money, exploiting underage girls, sex trafficking and prostitution, which are actual crimes, is less of a priority than denying people who they disagree with a platform to speak.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh...-accused-of-aiding-sex-trafficking-2016-07-11

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...om-sues-over-missouri-human-trafficking-probe

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Even TorProject.org has come out against the dailystormer. https://twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808

They've never publicly opposed pedophiles, drug dealers, human traffickers, and real terrorists using their service but somehow the dailystormer is such a threat to them?

Mobs are stupid.

daj said:

FIrst Godaddy, then 2 other domain hosts (.ru & .wang), and now NameCheap won't host them on the .lol name. https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/

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That didn't last long. Now a parked page at NameSilo, at least the .lol

daj said:

Even TorProject.org has come out against the dailystormer. https://twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808

They've never publicly opposed pedophiles, drug dealers, human traffickers, and real terrorists using their service but somehow the dailystormer is such a threat to them?

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But Tor is still allowing them to use the software. They have taken a principled stand, knowing full well how dangerous censorship is.

"But we can't build free and open source tools that protect journalists, human rights activists, and ordinary people around the world if we also control who uses those tools. Tor is designed to defend human rights and privacy by preventing anyone from censoring things, even us. "

daj said:

Even TorProject.org has come out against the dailystormer. https://twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808

They've never publicly opposed pedophiles, drug dealers, human traffickers, and real terrorists using their service but somehow the dailystormer is such a threat to them?

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This has always been a little weird to me. The majority of the funding was from the U.S. government, still gets funding from them. Knowing all this illegal activity is going on, why fund it? I always felt to keep tabs on what's going on. Make cases etc. Doing illegal activity on government funded software doesn't really make any kind of sense to me, but I don't know anything about the tech aspect of it all. Or course there are also legit reasons to use it.

In 2013, 75% of the funding.

"In 2013, Tor received more than $1.8 million from the U.S. government, about 75 percent of the $2.4 million in total annual expenses, according to their latest publicly available tax returns."
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/tor-funding-us-government/

Who funds Tor:
https://www.google.com/search?q=who+funds+tor&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Quoting from a fresh Electronic Frontier Foundation article :

All fair-minded people must stand against the hateful violence and aggression that seems to be growing across our country. But we must also recognize that on the Internet, any tactic used now to silence neo-Nazis will soon be used against others, including people whose opinions we agree with.

The rest is here : https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/08/fighting-neo-nazis-future-free-expression
Worth reading.

Dootca said:

But we must also recognize that on the Internet, any tactic used now to silence neo-Nazis will soon be used against others, including people whose opinions we agree with.

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It's a fine line on deciding freedom of expression vs freedom of empowerment, especially when it leads to people getting hurt. But it's one that must be drawn at some point. Clearly these registrars are making the distinction. IMO it is in their complete rights to do so, their ToS would state as such. Supporting an ongoing domain registration of a group that brings abhorrant behavior onto innocents would be seen as akin to condoning it.

Refusing to provide service to an extremist group in itself does not amount to endorsement of censorship.

Another one gone, this time for ToS violations at NetworkSolutions

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...et-pulled-offline-web-com-civil-rights-action

carob said:

Another one gone, this time for ToS violations at NetworkSolutions

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...et-pulled-offline-web-com-civil-rights-action

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Whoa, that's the biggest one. I think it'll eventually be back up. I have it in my head sites like that have government people in there monitoring stuff, fake profiles etc.