Bidding on your own names at NameJet...?

offthehandle said:

@Grilled any updates? The thread has been silent. But I see there lurkers.

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How I’m getting $1,500+ thanks to the NameJet audit (not from shill bidding) by Morgan Linton - link below

http://morganlinton.com/how-im-getting-1500-thanks-to-the-namejet-audit/

Further discussion on the topic: http://www.domainsherpa.com/review-20170731/

Glad to see NJ stepping in and doing something about this.

I think we should just keep looking into this further. Have you found out who the banned bidders were?, and where they are now listing their names? Flippa?

I checked google and this thread is indexed so it's there, and no issues with censoring imho.

I posted earlier the fact that there no auction licenses that I could find, and that just seems it would be a good step bringing this into some real world auctioneers or consultants. That would mean some real leadership to this, but the business is so small based on the financials I have seen.

offthehandle said:

Have you found out who the banned bidders were?, and where they are now listing their names?

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I can't answer that as of yet. I'm not able to dedicate much attention to this at this time.

At first look, here's one domain associated with Oliver, HKDN, NameJet, and now NamePros...

WHOIS History
24 January 2016: Oliver is the WHOIS owner
25 June 2016: Oliver is the WHOIS owner.
18 March 2017: Oliver is the WHOIS owner

The domain is now for sale (thread created three days ago) on NamePros brokered by @promo

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ma...eo-com-cafeterias-com-100s-of-others.1032783/

That is correct. Oceh did not meet reserve on NJ and I am now brokering it here.

Well done @Grilled

promo said:

That is correct. Oceh did not meet reserve on NJ and I am now brokering it here.

Well done @Grilled

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Not much of a mystery. You've been open the whole time about brokering some of Olivers domains. Thank you for that.

Hope the free publicity results in some sales $$$ for you and Oliver (if he still the owner - domain is now under privacy)

Thanks for the publicity. I guess that was the only point of the post?

Or did you want to show that HKDN actually sometimes ups his own bid in order to hit a reserve?

promo said:

Thanks for the publicity. I guess that was the only point of the post?

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The point of the post (without putting much time into the search) was to answer the question asked by @offthehandle "Where are they listing now?"

Since this thread originated from domains sold through Olivers NameJet account, people want to know who was banned. Was Oliver? Was HKDN? And if Oliver or HKDN, where is Oliver or HKDN selling their domains now? As evident in one example, one domain attached to Olivers WHOIS that was bid on by HKDN is now, 2 months later, under privacy and being brokered on NamePros.

Not insinuating anything. Simply stating, that I don't know if Oliver is selling on NameJet still, but some of his domains appear to be brokered by you on NamePros now.

So nothing new then?

promo said:

So nothing new then?

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Not unless you have anything to add. Assuming you've been in contact with Oliver if you're still brokering his domains. Some members had requested him to return having asked the same question repeatedly hoping for an answer.

@promo - Is Oliver a NameJet seller?

Arca said:

@promo - Is Oliver a NameJet seller?

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@promo

OnlineDomain.com recently wrote an interesting article about a suspicious auction (emojis.com) on NameJet HERE Apparently the auction winner got carried away in bidding, and contacted bidder #2 ten minutes after the auction ended. Take note of the bidding war at the last 5 minutes.

I really appreciate Konstantinos keeping the pressure on by ending the article with the below quote. (The investigation referred to stemmed from this thread)

I am still waiting to hear the results of the Namejet investigation on shill bidding. I will not stop asking for it until I do.

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The comments seem to show others are looking into the widding bidders history.

Grilled said:

@promo

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Huh. Read the thread. I have to come post info readily available in the thread already?

I think its time you did as you promised and leave the investigating to people that actually do investigations and not just post screenshots without any point to them.

Go defend SB and his thieving ways. I am done responding to you and your pointless jabs.

Great @OnlineDomainCom thank you for writing and staying on top of this Konstantinos and writing about this. Thanks to Bruce for posting his experience to exposing this The part that is missing is who is the person exactly who made the call? It's a touchy area I know.

The Facebook page was not there just now when I tried to check, anyone else read it or can still view it?

For those wondering, it appears Oliver has been operating under PremierPortfolio.com



http://deweymedia.com/jim-carey-singing-i-am-the-walrus/


http://www.cornwallseo.com/search/2010/03/should-i-buy-links-to-improve-my-rankings/

Grilled said:

OnlineDomain.com recently wrote an interesting article about a suspicious auction (emojis.com) on NameJet HERE Apparently the auction winner got carried away in bidding, and contacted bidder #2 ten minutes after the auction ended. Take note of the bidding war at the last 5 minutes.

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I really appreciate Konstantinos keeping the pressure on by ending the article with the below quote. (The investigation referred to stemmed from this thread)


The comments seem to show others are looking into the widding bidders history.

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What exactly is wrong here? Is strawberrycheesecake the owner of the domain? If not, I don't see what's wrong with this auction

anantj said:

What exactly is wrong here? Is strawberrycheesecake the owner of the domain? If not, I don't see what's wrong with this auction

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Did you read the full article? (And comments?)

Grilled said:

Did you read the full article? (And comments?)

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Yes I did. This is how I read the situation:

1. Bidder 1 was outbid by Bidder 2 with a high bid of ~26K
2. Bidder 2 won the auction but had immediate buyer's remorse
3. So they reached out to Bidder 1 asking if they'd like to buy the domain off bidder 2's hands

Now, there is 0 evidence of shill bidding that I can see - So far, there is not a shred of proof that Bidder 2 was bidding on behalf of the seller
Bidder two has to purchase the domain or risk having their account banned so them offering to sell it to bidder 2 is independent of their purchase (which they have to as per NJ policy/rules).

How is this related to the shill bidding scam at NJ that this thread discusses?

The argument is if the buyer becomes a non paying bidder. If strawberrycheesecake is banking on beforethedot paying the winning bid price or more in order to pay for something they overstretched on, this becomes an issue of strawberrycheesecake shouldn't have bid if they couldn't or wouldn't pay the final price. If rightofthedot refuses to pay more than $22,200 (the next highest bid after taryn) to Strawberrycheesecake, then strawberrycheesecake must take an instant $3900 loss. If strawberrycheesecake doesn't pay at all, it could be argued (as mentioned in the comments) that the right to purchase should go to the next highest bid after removing bids from non paying bidder.

Keep posting @Grilled. In live in person auctions, sometimes they get restarted from scratch, to clarify the situation.

Grilled said:

The argument is if the buyer becomes a non paying bidder. If strawberrycheesecake is banking on beforethedot paying the winning bid price or more in order to pay for something they overstretched on, this becomes an issue of strawberrycheesecake shouldn't have bid if they couldn't or wouldn't pay the final price. If rightofthedot refuses to pay more than $22,200 (the next highest bid after taryn) to Strawberrycheesecake, then strawberrycheesecake must take an instant $3900 loss. If strawberrycheesecake doesn't pay at all, it could be argued (as mentioned in the comments) that the right to purchase should go to the next highest bid after removing bids from non paying bidder.

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Sure.. That's the current scenario. How is that shill bidding in any form whatsoever? It is purely a unplanned (or perhaps financially ill-advised) bid. You've still not provided any proof for accusing strawberrycheesecake of shill bidding

anantj said:

Sure.. That's the current scenario

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if you have something you want to say just say it. The words you're currently typing aren't making much sense...

anantj said:

You've still not provided any proof for accusing strawberrycheesecake of shill bidding

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Please show me where I accused strawberrycheesecake of ShillBidding?

I posted a link about a suspicious auction in that the bidder has an alleged suspect NJ bidding history, an abnormal follow up after winning an auction, AND to further illustrate suspicion, the WHOIS hasn't been updated since January of 2017. Meaning the domain hasn't been transferred to the buyer yet. Nonpaying bids are basically spoof bids.

Grilled said:

if you have something you want to say just say it. The words you're currently typing aren't making much sense...

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Uh, I did... Pretty much in correct English phrasing and (I hope) no grammatical errors. Can't help you further than that.

Grilled said:

Please show me where I accused strawberrycheesecake of ShillBidding?

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Isn't that implicit by linking it to this thread?

NameJet updated their ToS to include Shill Bidding.

https://onlinedomain.com/2017/08/12...-adds-shill-bidding-policy-updated-terms-use/

“5.4 Shill Bidding Policy. Shill bidding is strictly prohibited on NameJet. Shill bidding is the placing of a bid to artificially drive up the price or apparent value of a domain name. Shill bidding may also include placing a bid with no legitimate intention of winning an auction.

Shill bidding by anyone, including a seller, his or her friends, family, roommates, employees, acquaintances or online connections, will not be tolerated on NameJet. You may bid on a domain name belonging to someone that you know, provided that your bid is legitimate and that you do not intend to artificially increase the price or apparent value of the domain name. If you are found to violate this policy it may result in account closure, suspension, cancellation of listings, referral to law enforcement, legal action, and/or forfeiture of fees or other funds collected.

NameJet is committed to providing the best experience for its buyers and sellers and takes possible violations of this shill bidding policy seriously. If you think you see shill bidding taking place on NameJet, please report it to us immediately at report_abuse[at]namejet.com. NameJet will investigate every report received and will take the actions it deems appropriate in its sole and absolute discretion.”