Bidding on your own names at NameJet...?

BaileyUK said:

new domain investors, that's a good-one. they don't really exist. any that seen the 4 LLLL (non pronounceable) as an investment need their head examined

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Not true. People that invest in liquid domain names like chinese premiums are not crazy. No more than people who invest in art, baseball cards or anything else.

There is a market, certainly with flucuations in value, like any other investment vehicle. I believe domain names are a great investment.

I believe that we have only begun to see this market take shape. The future looks incredibly bright.

As an investor, I quietly and carefully build my portfolio, including dictionary words, brandables, foreign language, short domains, etc. Some i hold and some i sell.

I realize the inherent risks that come with investing.

No, my head doesnt need examining. At least not as far as investing in domain names.

Since NJ claimed that they already suspended some accounts ("we have suspended the related accounts"), I am wondering are they looking to refund customers previously affected by these bidders, and, if so, how exactly. NJ might really consider hiring the same law firm who audited and calculated everything in snapnames halvarez case, as they already have an experience in such a specific area as ours.

As a side note, I just checked open auctions list promoted on their first page - and none of auctions I spot checked had a single hkdn inside. I did not check all available listings though. Did they also suspend this account? Similar check 24 hours ago showed hkdn in almost every 4L .com listing with $501 highest bid in many cases

tonyk2000 said:

As a side note, I just checked open auctions list promoted on the first page - and none of auctions I spot checked had a single hkdn inside. I did not check all available listings though. Did they also suspend this account?

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Has anybody isolated HKDN domains for sale page?

Either his namejet for sale page or online marketplace?

I would like a more detailed update from NameJet. As far as I know no one has really addressed the issue around domains like MovieZone.com.

Who owned it?
Who listed it?
How was it listed by one party, while the WHOIS was in the name of the other party.

Regardless of who actually owned it, both parties that might have were the #1 and #2 bidder in the auction. There is no way around this.

This needs to be cleared up once and for all by Andy, Oliver, and NJ.

We need more specifics. Is NameJet really asking us to just trust them to police themselfves after all this came to light, and has apparently been a pattern for a very long time?

Brad

Wannabean said:

What situation? Do you know you've been wronged? If so how?

There's an underlying consensus here that Namejet are 'in on' whatever is supposed to have happened here (if anything? not sure yet.....) but I for one would be amazed if that were the case. It's a really small and hard working team over there. They are not the illuminati...

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The collusion and shill bidding situation over at NJ.

tnih.com is hkdn domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
fhcg.com is "Jack Kalfayan"'s domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
internettraffic.com nameservers

spankdemon said:

tnih.com is hkdn domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
fhcg.com is "Jack Kalfayan"'s domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
internettraffic.com nameservers

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Thanks.

Though, I thought we learned earlier in this thread we need more proof besides DRIDs. Perhaps updated updated DNS history to show it wasn't transferred with domain settings already pointed to this DRID. --- or did I miss where it was proven HKDN is Jack?

Silentptnr said:

Not true. People that invest in liquid domain names like chinese premiums are not crazy. No more than people who invest in art, baseball cards or anything else.

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Please, no offense but as someone mentioned this thread is already all over the place, and this is getting off topic.

Believe me, I feel strongly about the topic too but told myself to resist.

Well, one thing is that I checked others earlier
I noted that 5546.net had same DRID (and "Jack K" (abbreviated, but same address) in WHOIS)
And OJRF.com had same DRID as previously mentioned parkingcrew ones (Jack K WHOIS)
but they have gone into privacy now and forward to namejet pages
I know it's just my word though about these two DRIDs

Grilled said:

did I miss where it was proven HKDN is Jack?

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Who is Jack Kalfayan? I mean is there something I missed or not aware of, except of a possibility that this is a real or made-up name of hkdn alias?

http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/Featuredauctions.aspx

There are some sellers no longer here right?

dsad.com/emergence-quad-premium-llll-coms-oliver-hoger-jack-kalfayan/
they wrote an article together @tonyk2000

spankdemon said:

dsad.com/emergence-quad-premium-llll-coms-oliver-hoger-jack-kalfayan/

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Hmmm...

Probably best to ask @Domain Shane for comment before speculating too much...

tonyk2000 said:

Who is Jack Kalfayan?

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Here is an article I found on Jack...(just saw it was posted 2 posts above)

https://dsad.com/emergence-quad-premium-llll-coms-oliver-hoger-jack-kalfayan/

And it looks like he had an account here back in 2008 now closed (JDN)

https://www.namepros.com/threads/havingtrouble-com.414251/

Without going too far off topic here. I apologize ahead of time.

In regards to these bots/big fish driving up bids the last 2 years.

Has the bubble on the value of short names now popped?

As for Chinese premiums, 4L and 5N domains - what if this thread discovered just a tip of an iceberg... One may call these domains "liquid", but they have little enduser base both in China (where real businesses do prefer .com.cn or .cn anyway) and in other markets. And such rare endusers would not normally pay even current or past "reseller" prices for these domains. Of course there are exceptions, like everywhere, but rare exceptions. So these domains are only liquid if and only if domainers are flipping them. What if somebody decided to make some money on these things, starting with extracting $$$ from unexperienced Chinese investors originally, from those amateur investors who equally "invest" into bitcoins or in anything their neghbour or aunt told them to. What if somebody started to actively promote all this 4L-com etc. bubble, such as by originally selling-to-themselves and by overbidding themselves in various auctions, to help others to decide to join the bubble? And who that "somebody" might be?
All this is just imho. Sort of a conspiracy theory may be. Right for Friday's evening...

RWD said:

Without going too far off topic here. I apologize ahead of time.

In regards to these bots/big fish driving up bids the last 2 years.

Has the bubble on the value of short names now popped?

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Def. start a separate thread about this because it will be an interesting discussion. Something to watch for on namebio in the coming weeks/months.

tonyk2000 said:

Who is Jack Kalfayan? I mean is there something I missed or not aware of, except of a possibility that this is a real or made-up name of hkdn alias?

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Jack Kalfayan
Chief Executive Officer
jdndomains.com

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Jack-Kalfayan/-1903540251

Except, JDNdomains.com no longer exists.

Considering the ongoing whispering of just how large the volume of sales affected by this on a daily basis, I'm actually curious if we will see a welcoming, slight dip (even if only temporary) in overall final domain sales prices after the smoke finally clears from this debacle? Probably not, but who knows. At the end of the day, we really have no idea who all is responsible or how deep the rabbit hole is, but I have a feeling it's rather deep and wide. I can't even begin to imagine how dirty this industry is at this point. It would be nice if these platforms can overlook their obvious, innate incentive to allow such shady tactics to continue and actually implement solid, preventive measures. If that happens (perhaps its just wishful thinking), then we may actually be witnessing the beginning of a paradigm shift for all domain platforms and likely a game-changer for the industry as a whole.

The Rover said:

Considering the ongoing whispering of just how large the volume of sales affected by this on a daily basis, I'm actually curious if we will see a welcoming, slight dip (even if only temporary) in overall final domain sales prices after the smoke finally clears from this debacle? Probably not, but who knows. At the end of the day, we really have no idea who all is responsible or how deep the rabbit hole is, but I have a feeling it's rather deep and wide. I can't even begin to imagine how dirty this industry is at this point. It would be nice if these platforms can overlook their obvious, innate incentive to allow such shady tactics to continue and actually implement solid, preventive measures. If that happens (perhaps its just wishful thinking), then we may actually be witnessing the beginning of a paradigm shift for all domain platforms and likely a game-changer for the industry as a whole.

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New thread, my dude.

Maybe a Namepros should do a temporary "Shillgate Research and Discussions" (or another name) subforum so these can be broken up into topics yet can be referenced together in some way. @Eric Lyon is that possible?

spankdemon said:

tnih.com is hkdn domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
fhcg.com is "Jack Kalfayan"'s domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
internettraffic.com nameservers

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spankdemon said:

Well, one thing is that I checked others earlier
I noted that 5546.net had same DRID (and "Jack K" (abbreviated, but same address) in WHOIS)
And OJRF.com had same DRID as previously mentioned parkingcrew ones (Jack K WHOIS)
but they have gone into privacy now and forward to namejet pages
I know it's just my word though about these two DRIDs

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forge said:

Jack Kalfayan
Chief Executive Officer
jdndomains.com

Except, JDNdomains.com no longer exists.

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I'm in the early stages of conducting an audit.

Solely using the example, ILOVEWEED.com - I pose the question is Jack K's NameJet (old or current) username bdjufynot ?

http://blog.goldnames.com/?p=1196

Beezy said:

New thread, my dude.

Maybe a Namepros should do a temporary "Shillgate" (or another name) subforum so these can be broken up into topics yet can be referenced together in some way. @Eric Lyon is that possible?

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Perhaps. But I think this thread derailed ages ago. Someone actually tried to discuss the current valuations of 4 character domains. lol. At least I'm still within range here.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/will-the-short-domains-bubble-burst-now.1031509/

Done, sorry

spankdemon said:

tnih.com is hkdn domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
fhcg.com is "Jack Kalfayan"'s domain, DRID=as-drid-2903265406515488
internettraffic.com nameservers

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RRKDN.com owned by Jack K
whoxy.com/rrkdn.com shows same in Nov 19 2015, day after it was reg
drid=as-drid-2612077369231688
not the same as those two quoted

but

KindnessProjects.com owned by HKDN
whoxy.com/kindnessprojects.com shows someone else owned it in April 2016 (not Jack K), then HKDN in September 2016
drid=as-drid-2612077369231688

spankdemon said:

RRKDN.com owned by Jack K
whoxy.com/rrkdn.com shows same in Nov 19 2015, day after it was reg
drid=as-drid-2612077369231688
not the same as those two quoted

but

KindnessProjects.com owned by HKDN
whoxy.com/kindnessprojects.com shows someone else owned it in April 2016 (not Jack K), then HKDN in September 2016
drid=as-drid-2612077369231688

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Thanks for your efforts.

I would prefer if we could use example of domains sold by NameJet.

I can PM you a list of domains with Jack K WHOIS (association) that were at one point sold on NameJet if you'd like to look up the DRID on those?