new gtlds Are new gTLDs hurting ".com" investors' business?

offthehandle said:

If you have a backround like that, then you realize that good marketing is the law of perception, not of products, specs and facts. You are not fighting a battle of reality.

I hope you sell them all and are profitable and make a bunch of krugerrands with them! Then when that happens your sale goes on Dnjournal and you
report here that :

A. A real profitable company bought it (not another domainer) , and...

B. the company is using it for their website and email and it does not forward to a .com.

That day, will mean the new extensions stand on their own.

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As far as marketing being the law of perception is concerned...that might be true but thats only if you take marketing into consideration without incorporating human behaviour into it. One thing is inevitable, humans evolve and adapt to change quickly... especially when it comes to technology. How fast did people move from keypads to full touch screen phones? At the time many of the tech experts complained and said there will always be a market for keypad phones as touchscreen are cumbersome and don't allow single hand operation so there will always a part of the market that will still preffer keypads on their phones... hmm how many keypad based smart phones do we see on the market today?

Lol, I never report my sales. - doesn't matter if they are in .com / ccTLD / nGTDL (yes I have sold nGTLD domains)

Lets say I close consulting.global with a nice $xx xxx sale.. I still wont report it, mainly bcause those that want to invest in nGTLD are already doing so. Some domainers are on the fence and some domainers are not investing in them at all.. thats great, each to their own.. no need to report sales... there are plenty of sales reported already:

https://namebio.com/?s==MDM5UDNwMTM

wwwulff said:

New gTLDs have not hurt my business (I mostly sells 2 words brandable) - I do not hate new gTLDs and would like to buy some, but all the good ones is reserved and often very expensive and costs too much to renew and therefore it`s nearly impossible to earn money on them - Many fans of new gTLDs end up with a lot of secondary names (e.g. instead of domain.pro, they ends up with domaning.pro) and I'm pretty sure that this kind of names never will hurt my .com business.

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You are right! Nearly all the good ones (.one included) are taken/reserved or have a high renewal.

Instead of Pro.Domains with a costly renewal they, being me, end up lost in the cloud with, not a secondary, 3rd, or even a 4th string name, but a 404th string domain! http://404.cloud

guillon said:

As a fan of new gTLDs, I frankly admit that I like to tease ".com" domainers but I often note that it then turns to "hate" so I wonder what is the reason for this. The number one reason why some people hate new gTLDs so much is - to me - that it hurts their business (and I totally understand this) but if this reason is wrong, then, what is it?

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Most people commenting on gTLD threads usually do it when they feel the advice given is plain wrong.

In any case, this may be an eye opener to some:
http://onlinedomain.com/2016/10/17/...gtld-registrations-except-regional-new-gtlds/

If new gTLDs don't affect legacy TLDs such as .com then why would .com investors hate them? We don't hate them. We just don't like when they are constantly hyped.

It's 9:21 AM here and I just opened this

En said:

And let's be honest, the only reason you're posting this in Domain Industry News and not in the dedicated New gTLDs section is to GET EXPOSURE for your agenda (i.e. like a snake oil salesman).

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Also...and thank you for your participation by the way.

Bram C. said:

Most people commenting on gTLD threads usually do it when they feel the advice given is plain wrong.

In any case, this may be an eye opener to some:
http://onlinedomain.com/2016/10/17/...gtld-registrations-except-regional-new-gtlds/

If new gTLDs don't affect legacy TLDs such as .com then why would .com investors hate them? We don't hate them. We just don't like when they are constantly hyped.

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I think the problem is that there is a huge disconnect when it comes to how people view nGTLD's and their purpose. This disconnect applies to many nGTLD investors as well as many who are against nGTLD's.

There are too many people who are comparing nGTLD to .com's as if they should be replacing .com's and that they will take over the .com marketspace... but people need to understand how and where they can be used and then register them accordingly.... for example.. You can not expect shoes.online to be a better domain than shoes.com however a company called Shoes Online that uses ShoesOnline.com could benefit from incorporating Shoes.online into their domain portfolio... some companies might choose to use the .online as their primary domain and some won't. The example of Sixt car rental mentioned on previous comments is an excellent exmaple of good useage. Sixt is a leading global car rental company and they own sixt.com and are also using sixt.global as one of their primary domains, they also own loads of ccTLD's. It does not have to a case of one or the other...

I'm not a domain investor, but I have several businesses and websites. Until quite recently I always tried to get the .com, even if I was using another Tld just to divert extra traffic that assumed the brand would own the .com.

However, most .com domains are reserved by investors who expect insanely high prices, even for average, or below average names. Now I just get the best domain for each website... And it is rarely a .com. on older sites I've dropped the.com with no adverse effects.

I would expect in a few years time as more people get used to the possible variations, .com will be dead.

JB Lions said:

To be clear, you would register a .media let's say lion.media, when there was a live site/business on lionmedia.com? If so, that's horrible advice. Just come up with another name. You will lose some traffic to the .com, how much is up for debate. Then the possibility of issues with the .com owner.

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What would you do if your registered company name and brand is already taken and used by another business from a different company?

Would you register .net instead of .Media if your company name is 2A Media ?

Or what would you do?

If he was on the path to register a trademark of course I would suggest him to come up with a name where he can register dot com.

And of course if his company name have a potential of exact match extension, that would be way better for him.

2A.Media and 2Amedia.com

See which one appeals your eye as a bigger company?

Which one is more descriptive? 2 Amedia or 2A MEDIA

shopman said:

I know of one veteran domainer who always advises new domainers to desist from new gTLDs. He does it politely and with facts. He always says something like “I like to look after the little guy”. I listened to him and started buying more .COMs.


Then there is a crowd of abusive domainers who are always bashing new gTLDs and abusing the “fools” who invest in them. To be honest, sometimes I find their comments a bit funny. I don’t think they are driven by “concern” or feel threatened. Some people just like to bash what they don’t like and they can be quite virulent. Many of these guys assume people who buy new gTLDs are "anti-dotCOM"; no we aren't. We also buy lots of .COMs. Just spreading our risks and we aren't afraid to try out something new.


I don’t think new gTLDs threaten .COMs. I have studied sales figures for some of the top new tlds and the sales are far between and really low for premium domain names. The best investment is still .COM.


However, when I find a great new gTLD, I always snap them ASAP!

Some of my recent newgTLD acquisitions:-


Altright.men

Careers.men

Snuggle.shop

Antonio.life

Screwing.men

Quadcopter.guide

Wales.world

Glasgow.world


I welcome reasonable offers from fellow new gTLD lovers

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When I register any domain for my portfolio I always think if I would do business on that domain.

I guess that is the right approach for the right domain investment.

Hope it helps.

guillon said:

As a fan of new gTLDs, I frankly admit that I like to tease ".com" domainers but I often note that it then turns to "hate" so I wonder what is the reason for this. The number one reason why some people hate new gTLDs so much is - to me - that it hurts their business (and I totally understand this) but if this reason is wrong, then, what is it?

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very simple. people can tell the difference between a fact and a lie, a fact and a delusion and a fact and wishful thinking.

we don't like BS and we don't support scammy registries

guys, all these .com owners are here to make sure we save money and invest in .com only from kindness of their hearts they are super worried about us, and they never think about their own business interest ,wow, thank you guys , dont know what to say, I restore my faith in humanity

amirp said:

guys, all these .com owners are here to make sure we save money and invest in .com only from kindness of their hearts they are super worried about us, and they never think about their own business interest ,wow, thank you guys , dont know what to say, I restore my faith in humanity

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You already said it all in the other thread. Continue buying new gtlds and not selling. Great plan.

amirp said:

no i am not selling i am domain collector , I just collect domains like stamps

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deez007 said:

As far as marketing being the law of perception is concerned...that might be true but thats only if you take marketing into consideration without incorporating human behaviour into it. One thing is inevitable, humans evolve and adapt to change quickly... especially when it comes to technology. How fast did people move from keypads to full touch screen phones? At the time many of the tech experts complained and said there will always be a market for keypad phones as touchscreen are cumbersome and don't allow single hand operation so there will always a part of the market that will still preffer keypads on their phones... hmm how many keypad based smart phones do we see on the market today?

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This isn't some advancement in technology, it's just different extensions. Evolve and adapt quickly? See earlier post

"For the second week in a row, there is not a single startup on the list this week that decided to use a new domain name extension."

http://dngeek.com/2017/06/moneytap-com-make-tv-lanla-com/

JB Lions said:

You already said it all in the other thread. Continue buying new gtlds and not selling. Great plan.

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look up the word "sarcasm " in dictionary , you will understand

amirp said:

guys, all these .com owners are here to make sure we save money and invest in .com only from kindness of their hearts they are super worried about us, and they never think about their own business interest ,wow, thank you guys , dont know what to say, I restore my faith in humanity

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Am I sensing sarcasm...

First off, let's dispense with this whole ridiculous dot-com "conspiracy" theory that .com boosters are trying to keep you guys down... As a District Attorney friend of mine used to say to the jury during his closing arguments - after the criminal defendant claimed "police conspiracy - "I don't know about you guys, but my friends have trouble putting together a 'conspiracy' just to decide where to go to dinner!"

Honestly, a lot of us guys that are dot-com boosters really are just trying to share our hard-won wisdom. Many of us have been down the same path you're on with new gTLD's... (Personally, I lost a boatload of cash on dot-mobi, and the "use case" for that extension was far more powerful than that for new gTLDs... Mobi was supposed to be the default extension for all mobile devices... yeah, that worked out...) I still remember how betrayed I felt when the whole thing went belly up...

Point being, many of us have seen the gTLD hype machine before... This is nothing new... Been there, done that... There are some unscrupulous registries out there that exist just to "mine the miners," and take advantage of new domain investors... In any event, time will tell and the market will be the ultimate arbiter of success... (And so far, if the latest drop figures and DNjournal sales figures are to be believed, Mr. Market doesn't seem terribly impressed...) In any event, GL to all!

amirp said:

look up the word "sarcasm " in dictionary , you will understand

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JB Lions said:

You already said it all in the other thread. Continue buying new gtlds and not selling. Great plan.





This isn't some advancement in technology, it's just different extensions. Evolve and adapt quickly? See earlier post

"For the second week in a row, there is not a single startup on the list this week that decided to use a new domain name extension."

http://dngeek.com/2017/06/moneytap-com-make-tv-lanla-com/

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Interesting how you ALWAYS jump at any oppurtunity to bash nGTLD's.... check out all the nGTLD threads, you are ALWAYS there and often it's you and a few other of the same people bashing them...lol

According to you nGTLD's are basically pigeonsh*t..why then do you have such an obsession with pigeon sh*t? Kinda seems more like you trying to convince as many people as you can to follow your narrative...

Whatever the case... it's getting old.

deez007 said:

Interesting how you ALWAYS jump at any oppurtunity to bash nGTLD's.... check out all the nGTLD threads, you are ALWAYS there and often it's you and a few other of the same people bashing them...lol

According to you nGTLD's are basically pigeonsh*t..why then do you have such an obsession with pigeon sh*t? Kinda seems more like you trying to convince as many people as you can to follow your narrative...

Whatever the case... it's getting old.

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Interesting most of the times you don't actually address what I post, instead you have a fit. It's not new tech, most startups aren't touching them. If you want to address those points, that's what a discussion forum is for. Look at the title of this thread, my posts are relevant to the discussion. Also, you can simply hit the ignore link and you won't see my posts anymore, feel free to use that.

JB Lions said:

Interesting most of the times you don't actually address what I post, instead you have a fit.

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Because it makes no difference, I many times addressed issues you raise and you simply ignore it or change the topic. I have come to realize that it makes NO difference what I say. You have have a one track mind on the issue and will cling to that track with your life.

deez007 said:

Because it makes no difference, I many times addressed issues you raise and you simply ignore it or change the topic. I have come to realize that it makes NO difference what I say. You have have a one track mind on the issue and will cling to that track with your life.

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Because you have no response, you can't debate those points. This isn't new technology, sorry. And most startups aren't using them. That site literally goes thru them. I just noticed you used a Windows 98 reference. So .com is Windows 98 and these new gltds are some improvement? Be real.

@JB Lions more people buy new gtld domains is better for you ,don't you think? because there will be more .com domains available and you don't have to compete with more people over a good .com domain no? unless you are losing business on .com and you dont want people to invest their money somewhere else,, that is my 2 cents.. closing my case.

JB Lions said:

Because you have no response, you can't debate those points. This isn't new technology, sorry. And most startups aren't using them. That site literally goes thru them.

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Isn't new technology? - .eth - blockchain meets domains - Old technology?

Obviously the other nGTLD's are not new technology, when did I say they were?? Or is it a case of you reading something I said and filling in the blanks to paint a picture that makes sense to you because you are dependant on your OWN view due to your inability to see someone elses view?

"As far as marketing being the law of perception is concerned...that might be true but thats only if you take marketing into consideration without incorporating human behaviour into it. One thing is inevitable, humans evolve and adapt to change quickly... especially when it comes to technology. How fast did people move from keypads to full touch screen phones? At the time many of the tech experts complained and said there will always be a market for keypad phones as touchscreen are cumbersome and don't allow single hand operation so there will always a part of the market that will still preffer keypads on their phones... hmm how many keypad based smart phones do we see on the market today?"

One thing is inevitable, humans evolve and adapt to change quickly... especially when it comes to technology - When did I claim nGTLD's were NEW technology??

Then you go on and talk about startups....
79 start ups in that article and most of them used .com domains or ccTLD's...so what?

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And at the same time eth.com sold for 7 digits, and before ethereum.com for allegedly 5 mil.

deez007 said:

Isn't new technology? - .eth - blockchain meets domains - Old technology?

Obviously the other nGTLD's are not new technology, when did I say they were?? Or is it a case of you reading something I said and filling in the blanks to paint a picture that makes sense to you because you are dependant on your OWN view due to your inability to see someone elses view?

"As far as marketing being the law of perception is concerned...that might be true but thats only if you take marketing into consideration without incorporating human behaviour into it. One thing is inevitable, humans evolve and adapt to change quickly... especially when it comes to technology. How fast did people move from keypads to full touch screen phones? At the time many of the tech experts complained and said there will always be a market for keypad phones as touchscreen are cumbersome and don't allow single hand operation so there will always a part of the market that will still preffer keypads on their phones... hmm how many keypad based smart phones do we see on the market today?"

One thing is inevitable, humans evolve and adapt to change quickly... especially when it comes to technology - When did I claim nGTLD's were NEW technology??

Then you go on and talk about startups....
79 start ups in that article and most of them used .com domains or ccTLD's...so what?

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The response that you just quoted, your own about keypads/touchscreens, was to what offthehandle posted:

"That day, will mean the new extensions stand on their own."

We're discussing new gtlds, .com etc. are you saying your replies have nothing to do with the subject even tho you quote it and then make a reply?

The startup example was to point out, they're (startups at least) not adapting and changing quickly.

JB Lions said:

The response that you just quoted, your own about keypads/touchscreens, was to what offthehandle posted:

"That day, will mean the new extensions stand on their own."

We're discussing new gtlds, .com etc. are you saying your replies have nothing to do with the subject even tho you quote it and then make a reply?

The startup example was to point out, they're (startups at least) not adapting and changing quickly.

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Well, you just proved my point..in my statement about Keypads vs Touchscreens.. you latched on to the part that made sense to your belief system and like I said painted a pciture that made sense to YOU and your view. You completley didn't see the point that I was making was the fact that so called tech "experts" said that keypads will always exist.. but in time the so called "experts" were proven wrong....

Either way, I was reffering to nGTLD's as technology.. but let me reiterate..I NEVER said it was NEW technology, even in response to offthehandle's comment.

You remind me of those self-righteous vegetarians who try to force everyone around them to become vegetarians as well and when someone near them eats meat they feel the need to tell the person how disgusting it is to eat meat and that they should stop eating meat immediately...

deez007 said:

You remind me of those self-righteous vegetarians who try to force everyone around them to become vegetarians as well and when someone near them eats meat they feel the need to tell the person how disgusting it is to eat meat and that they should stop eating meat immediately...

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Ugh - https://www.namepros.com/threads/vegan-debate.969810/

JB Lions said:

Ugh - https://www.namepros.com/threads/vegan-debate.969810/

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Bloody hell, they are everywhere!