question Why are pronouceable 5l.com selling for so cheap?

newviewit · Mar 25, 2017

Hi,

Why are 4l.com priced higher than pronounceable 5l.com? It's not as simple as you think and there's something messed up with these prices...

For example, the current trend that everyone wants is 4l.com and there are 26 choices for the first letter, 26 for the second, 26 for the 3rd and 26 for the 4th. So altogether, there are 26*26*26*26 = 456,976 combinations. Domainers at the moment are going crazy for 4l.com compared to anything else (besides numerics) mostly because of Chinese herd mentality... couple years ago nobody cared about 4l.com chips, only happened because a few smart investors decided to buy them all up and create a higher floor price for this category.

In the western market do you really think corporate end users care if a domain is 4l or 5l? No - they just care about getting 'their' company brand and they will pay dearly for it. For example, Gavus.com is a better fit for any end user compared to gavs.com because it's pronounceable and easy to remember. But in today's market gavs.com will be 500 times more expensive for a floor price just because domainers (falsely) have it in their head that there is a much more limited supply of 4l.com so these are the most valuable...

Regarding pronounceable 5l.com domains (lvlvl.com) combinations there are only 21*5*21*5*21 (231,525 combinations). With vlvlv.com combinations there are only 5*21*5*21*5 (55,125 combinations)...

There are actually less pronounceable 5l.com compared to 4l.com. But for some reason brandable 5l.com are priced extremely low at the moment... but maybe not for long...

Why do domainers not see this? and why is there no 'expectations' of high prices for pronounceable 5l.com?

It's either going to end with some domainer buying up large amounts of pronounceable 5l.com and setting their own floor price (just like what happened with 4l.com chips)... or maybe domainers will clue in and start to price pronounceable 5l.com at the value they should be...

I'm fairly confident this will be the next gold rush... Why do so few domainers see the value in pronounceable 5l.com?

What do you guys think?

ultradog · Mar 26, 2017

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urlurl · Mar 26, 2017

JayT · Mar 26, 2017

Justin Matmor said:
I need to clarify. Brandbucket sold these on my behalf.

Justin Matmor said:
I should further add, these names (as well as 90% of my BB portfolio) are all hand reggs.

Wow impressive. Appreciate your promotion

hugegrowth · Mar 26, 2017

don't forget

CCVCV

like brano.

6L pronouncable are also short and easy to remember, like mennex.

guilty · Mar 26, 2017

Because you can still reg 5-letter domains. They are available. on the other hand, 4-letter domains are all taken.

newviewit · Mar 26, 2017

Does 4l.com really matter to end users?

or is the 4l thing just for domainers?

guilty · Mar 26, 2017

newviewit said:
Does 4l.com really matter to end users?

or is the 4l thing just for domainers?

It depends on what you really mean. If you mean if end users care about if the 4-letter domain is CVCV, CCCC, VCVC, VVVV, CCCC ... etc, then no, It doesn't matter to them. Usually, end users buy 4-letter domains because it is an acronym for their business name. Some end-users also buy 4-letter domains (that has no meaning ) if they brandable, and pronounceable.

platey · Mar 26, 2017

But some 4L. Coms are anything but pronouncable more a jumbled mess of the most awkward sequence of letters etc and usually when I see them featured etc it will state brandable 4lL. Com when there is nothing brandable about the sequence of those letters

urlurl · Mar 26, 2017

...because they have nothing else to explain what it could be used for, LMFAO

catchmesleeping · Mar 26, 2017

I think the premise of investing in good quality 5L is very sound.

I find that a lot of the money flowing into 4L is "dumb" money. An unsophisticated investor can just park money into 4L, because there's a real limited supply.

I buy 4L, but I'm very careful about it. If you're just buying the bottom level 4L, you're not going to get very good returns on your investment over the long term, compared to selecting good quality names that end users would have interest in.

With 4L, the rules are so simple though, that everyone can quickly determine the value of the available names. With 5L, the rules are not so simple at all. In the long run, that really works well to the advantage of a sophisticated domain name investor. A sophisticated domain name investor should can scan lists, and thoughtfully pick the good 5L with end user potential, and skip over the garbage ones that just don't make any sense.

Because it's harder, that prevents "dumb" money from investing in the 5L market, which means less competitive auctions, and lower buying prices for domain investors. It also means more profits for selling those 5L too.

newviewit · Mar 26, 2017

'catchmesleeping' -

Yes that's exactly what i'm trying to figure out... Your comment on the 'dumb' money is what i like to call 'herd mentality' and it's definitely true, especially with the Chinese market.... it takes a while for the heard to catch up to the actual market makers.

So if there are around 500,000 4l.com and the same number of pronounceable 5l.com... there's definitely some logic missing in some domain investors.

4l.com is not the only game in town in limited supply.

5l.com has the exact same limited supply but these domains are actually pronounceable and brandable. When will domainers finally catch on?

hugegrowth · Mar 26, 2017

I wouldn't say they have the exact same limited supply. Way more pronouncable 5L.com than 4L.

DzAH · Mar 27, 2017

newviewit said:
So if there are around 500,000 4l.com and the same number of pronounceable 5l.com...

I have been looking into variations and combination for a quite some time, and Im sure you are way off.. its probably closer to about 2 millions pronounceable 5 letters, not 500k.

I still think questioning the presumed value of 4L vs 5L are valid though. I think most likely good 5L's are undervalued compared to bad 4L's.

hugegrowth · Mar 27, 2017

Pronouncable 5L can make a good brandable domain

JoeE · Mar 27, 2017

The herd mentality in the domainers community which took the 4L domains off the table, thus making them more liquid now than even the good brandable pronounceable 5L. But a savvy end user would/should be going for a good brandable pronounceable 5L than any random crazy 4L domains. Most of these domains are hoarded by Domainers and will only be developed if they are meaningful to a company (abbreviation). The future is in the good 5L.

newviewit · Mar 27, 2017

DzAH

I have been looking into variations and combination for a quite some time, and Im sure you are way off.. i

- do you have any calculations available?

Regarding total numbers of pronounceable 5l.com domains:

cvcvc.com - 21*5*21*5*21 = 231,525 combinations

vcvcv.com - 5*21*5*21*5 = 55,125 combinations

ccvcc.com - Pronounceable words starting with 2 consonants can't really start with q,x,y,z because no other consonant going with these letters. So there's 17 consonant options for the first letter.

Moving onto the second consonant - bcdfghjklmnpqrstv - the only real other consonant that can follow some of these is h and r from what i can see. so maybe 2-3 options for second consonant.

Same pattern would happen with the last 2 cc at the end.

so ccvcc.com patterns realistically only have around:
17*3*5*17*3 = 13,000 real pronounceable words

there would be the same or less for cvvcc, ccvvc, cccvv...

cvccv = 21*5*21*(2-3 options for these 4th c see post above for reasoning)*5 = 33,075 pronounceable word options

cvvcv = 21*5*5*21*5 = 55125 combinations but not all of these will be easily pronounceable

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totals of actual pronounceable 5l.com:

cvcvc.com = 231,525 combinations
vcvcv.com = 55,125 combinations
ccvcc.com = 13,000
cvvcc, ccvvc, cccvv = maybe 30,000 total actual pronounceable words.
cvccv = 33075
cvvcv = 55125

Total 5l pronounceable words: 417,850
total 4l.com including chips: 456,976

there's going to be a few more like vcccv, or those domains using qu or y in the domain but these wouldn't result in many pronounceable words.

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I'd say in total around 500,000 pronounceable 5l word options in total.

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total 4l.com - 26*26*26*26 = 456,976 combinations.

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So there are around the same number of pronounceable 5l.com as 4l.com = there's very little difference, 4l.com are not more rare, 4l.com do not have more limited supply...

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Why do domainers not see this? and why is there no 'expectations' of high prices for pronounceable 5l.com?

Asfas1000 · Mar 27, 2017

It is very difficult to calculate the number of 5L pronounceables.

And I guess not all of those are brandable just because they can be pronounced , for instance, does anyone like qehho.com ?

DzAH · Mar 28, 2017

Maybe I went a bit too far when talking about possibly 2 millions pronounceable 5 letters.

I can kinda easily find about 1 M from the best patterns. However I may have overestimated the not so great patterns (like CC at the beginning or at the end, or VCCCV etc).

As it stands now I would not claim it is over 1,5 M.

Also, there are questions regarding "brandable" vs "pronounceable". Patterns like CVVVC, VCVVV, VVVCV, VVCVV (even CVVVV, VVVVC, VVVVV), are ALL pronounceable, however I doubt there are that many great brandables.

How well they sound also dependsa a lot on pronunciation, and idk (lets call it..) "language context" (english vs spanish vs russian etc.)

newviewit · Mar 28, 2017

yep that's why i'd say there are around 500,000 pronounceable 5l.com in total...

There's just too many 5l.com combinations that are not actually pronounceable brandable words.

Number of available 4l.com (almost same number as) pronounceable 5l.com = 4l.com are not more valuable because there is more limited supply... it's a myth!

Recons.Com · Mar 28, 2017

Each additional letter reduces greatly the chance that there is existing acronym or there will be some in anticipate-able future.

for almost each LL there are hundreds of acronyms and companies. For each LLL there are tens, normally. For each LLLL... Well, many don't have a known acronym, but many do and for many you can go creative and make acronym. Now, only 1% or so of all LLLLL would have an acronym or can be expected to get one.

Add to this the capacity of human brain to remember acronyms. It works the same way as above: each additional letter reduces memorability by factor of few.

Try to remember LH, LHO, LHOD, LHODK. And try to communicate to someone else those.

hugegrowth · Mar 28, 2017

zwick
qwikk
zhert, etc, etc

4better · Apr 1, 2017

It all depends on the quality of the 5L.com domains.
Good quality, good price. Bad quality, bad price.

TRY · Apr 1, 2017

Have you seen the domains people consider pronounceable, many are tongue twisters.

There is only a small supply of 5L pronounceables that sound good enough to use for a product, service, etc.

hugegrowth · Apr 5, 2017

You can say the same about 4L pronouncables...

Isaac Managan · Apr 5, 2017

newviewit said:
Hi,

Why are 4l.com priced higher than pronounceable 5l.com? It's not as simple as you think and there's something messed up with these prices...

For example, the current trend that everyone wants is 4l.com and there are 26 choices for the first letter, 26 for the second, 26 for the 3rd and 26 for the 4th. So altogether, there are 26*26*26*26 = 456,976 combinations. Domainers at the moment are going crazy for 4l.com compared to anything else (besides numerics) mostly because of Chinese herd mentality... couple years ago nobody cared about 4l.com chips, only happened because a few smart investors decided to buy them all up and create a higher floor price for this category.

In the western market do you really think corporate end users care if a domain is 4l or 5l? No - they just care about getting 'their' company brand and they will pay dearly for it. For example, Gavus.com is a better fit for any end user compared to gavs.com because it's pronounceable and easy to remember. But in today's market gavs.com will be 500 times more expensive for a floor price just because domainers (falsely) have it in their head that there is a much more limited supply of 4l.com so these are the most valuable...

Regarding pronounceable 5l.com domains (lvlvl.com) combinations there are only 21*5*21*5*21 (231,525 combinations). With vlvlv.com combinations there are only 5*21*5*21*5 (55,125 combinations)...

There are actually less pronounceable 5l.com compared to 4l.com. But for some reason brandable 5l.com are priced extremely low at the moment... but maybe not for long...

Why do domainers not see this? and why is there no 'expectations' of high prices for pronounceable 5l.com?

It's either going to end with some domainer buying up large amounts of pronounceable 5l.com and setting their own floor price (just like what happened with 4l.com chips)... or maybe domainers will clue in and start to price pronounceable 5l.com at the value they should be...

I'm fairly confident this will be the next gold rush... Why do so few domainers see the value in pronounceable 5l.com?

What do you guys think?

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