domain NYCLAWYERS.com -- worth six figures?

I'm going to ignore the posts before and just state without knowing anything else, here say or otherwise what I think the domain is worth.

I find myself agreeing overall with @todaygold in overall sentiments on the domain.

To me this is a name that I would bid up to $250 or so at godaddy auctions. However, I think it could do low 4 figures in an expiring auction on a good day and perhaps on a great day up to $3k if it was an established site in the past and domainers hoping to cash in on the type in traffic/backlinks etc.

If nothing major is/was ever up on the site I really wouldn't pay much for it, too many options, nyclawyer/s/attorney/attorneys,newyorklawyers etc. not to mention the .nyc extension.

I would be amazed if it was a liquid name receiving regular big offers and if I owned it would be happy to get 2/3 offers a year in the 4 figure range and would probably take the best of those as and when they came in. $3-5k to an end user is the max I think it would get on most given days.

Joro001 decent post. The bottom line is if someone owned this name as a stand alone domain name (parked page, etc.), they would likely get zero offers per year. Certainly nobody on the planet is rolling out of bed looking to trade 3K in hard earned money in exchange for the domain name NYCLawyers.com. But if there are enough people without a clue out there, it is theoretically possible, I guess. Many posters here prove that many people are delusional and have bad ideas. If they ever get in a position to blow 3K on a domain name, they might just be capable of making a horrific decision to buy something like NYCLawyers.com. But it is still a pipe dream and all of the offers the OP states that he has gotten are almost certainly part of his attempted pump and dump scheme that is not fulling anyone at this point.

These are also in use,

http://nycattorneys.com/
http://www.nyccounsel.com/
http://nyclawfirm.com

http://www.nyc-divorces.com/
http://nyc-divorcelawyer.com/

http://www.nycprobate.com/
http://www.nyc-probatelawyer.com/

http://www.nyc-bankruptcylawyer.com/


I don't know about the value.

Most of these are likely reseller prices:
santabarbaralawyers.com 120 USD 2016-12-12 NameJet
lalawyers.com 2,000 USD 2015-08-20 NameJet (abbreviation like nyc)
sandiegolawyers.com 1,556 USD 2015-05-17 GoDaddy
spokanelawyers.com 449 USD 2013-10-16 GoDaddy
charlestonlawyers.com 371 USD 2013-10-15 GoDaddy

(tried to check the backlinks, didn't look like these prices would be affected much by that, except maybe for sandiegolawyers)

These prices actually line up nicely with the city populations (from google, as of 2013)
santa barbara - 90k -- 120 USD
charleston - 127k -- 371 USD
spokane - 210k -- 449 USD
san diego - 1.3 million -- 1,556 USD
los angeles - 3.8 million -- 2,000 USD

End user sales (confirmed..I think)
montreallawyers.com 1,300 USD 2013-02-25 Afternic (archive.org shows development starting in 2013, still owned by them)
nyclawyers.com 2,250 USD 2009-06-30 Afternic (archive.org shows an 'enter site' link around that time. used by a law firm)

montreal - 1.65 million
nyc - 8.5 million

Hmm Do resellers overvalue domains a little? :P

Reseller price: 2k to 3k?
End user: 4k to 10k on a really good day?

You guys never list the similar names that never sold. There are thousands of them out there. You look for something similar that did sell, but you never mention the ones that are similar that never sold for even $100 in over a decade. I guess if people don't understand math, logic, probabilities, and reasoning, then they cannot comprehend much. You guys don't understand basic math and probability? It is scary.

That's true for the end user sales.
But if you do have the data for those city+lawyers.coms, and you know some people out there would definitely bid on nyclawyers.com, can't you try and estimate the reseller value based on what 'less desirable' names have sold for? or similar ones like LALawyers.com. (not saying the reseller value is reasonable.)
Estimating end user value is harder.

By the way, just found these:
newyorkcitylawyers.com 1,720 USD 2011-08-19 NameJet
newyorkcitylawyers.net 504 USD 2009-02-10 GoDaddy

But they're pretty old sales

jacoliobo said:

That's true for end user sales.
But if you do have the data for those city+lawyers.coms, and you know some people out there would definitely bid on nyclawyers.com, can't you try and estimate the reseller value based on what 'less desirable' names have sold for? or similar ones like LALawyers.com.
Estimating end user value is harder.

By the way, just found these:
newyorkcitylawyers.com 1,720 USD 2011-08-19 NameJet
newyorkcitylawyers.net 504 USD 2009-02-10 GoDaddy

But they're pretty old sales

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Reseller value, low xxxx to lower middle xxxx----->1.5-3.5k

todaygold said:

@slader23 Step right up, now is the time to put your money where your mouth is. What is your bid @slader23 ? I'm sure you will be bidding up to around $25,000-$30,000, seeing as how you think it is worth at least twice that, you can easily flip it, right?

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slader23 said:

Reseller value, low xxxx to lower middle xxxx----->1.5-3.5k

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Just showing your true self there aren't you. @slader23 You replied to every freaking post I made in this thread, even though my original post didn't concern you at all...but when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is and show you will back your statements...you sit down in the corner. Someone else makes an offer for the domain and I ask you what your offer is...and for the first time, you don't reply back. Just goes to show you, when it comes time to back up your words with actions...you fall short.

Some past "Lawyer" sales if anyone is interested, my apologies if they have already been posted

CriminalLawyers.com 195,000 USD
TrademarkLawyers.com 24,000 USD
LawyerSearch.com 22,261 USD
PersonalInjuryLawyers.co.uk 17,380 USD
MassachusettsLawyers.com 16,222 USD
CaliforniaduiLawyers.com 15,601 USD
TrafficTicketLawyers.com 15,250 USD
IllinoisLawyers.com 15,101 USD
LawyersUSA.com 12,500 USD
DomainLawyers.com 10,006 USD

Not getting involved in this one

todaygold said:

Just showing your true self there aren't you. @slader23 You replied to every freaking post I made in this thread, even though my original post didn't concern you at all...but when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is and show you will back your statements...you sit down in the corner. Someone else makes an offer for the domain and I ask you what your offer is...and for the first time, you don't reply back. Just goes to show you, when it comes time to back up your words with actions...you fall short.

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Back up my words? LOL, your the one thinking you can tell people to bid on names to prove that their statements are valid. Get lost. You've done enough to hurt your reputation.

slader23 said:

Back up my words? LOL, your the one thinking you can tell people to bid on names to prove that their statements are valid. Get lost. You've done enough to hurt your reputation.

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Why won't you make an offer? Only a fool would pass up this kind of deal. You could offer $25,000 and easily flip it for $50,000...or so you say. If you believe in your statements, why would you pass up $25,000!?

gilescoley said:

Some past "Lawyer" sales if anyone is interested, my apologies if they have already been posted

CriminalLawyers.com 195,000 USD
TrademarkLawyers.com 24,000 USD
LawyerSearch.com 22,261 USD
PersonalInjuryLawyers.co.uk 17,380 USD
MassachusettsLawyers.com 16,222 USD
CaliforniaduiLawyers.com 15,601 USD
TrafficTicketLawyers.com 15,250 USD
IllinoisLawyers.com 15,101 USD
LawyersUSA.com 12,500 USD
DomainLawyers.com 10,006 USD

Not getting involved in this one

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Some additional 'lawyer' sales:

queenslawyer.com 454 USD
deedlawyer.com 206 USD
topinjurylawyer.com 155 USD
justicelawyer.com 155 USD
cowboylawyer.com 108 USD
highstreetlawyer.com 300 USD

todaygold said:

Why won't you make an offer? Only a fool would pass up this kind of deal. You could offer $25,000 and easily flip it for $50,000...or so you say. If you believe in your statements, why would you pass up $25,000!?

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The way you are talking and trying to condescend others is despicable. Telling people to make offers on names at end user valuations is ridiculous. I expect to be making $100k+ on a investment if I am paying for a name that has a reseller price of $25k, because at that level of investment your aiming to hold and sell to an end user. At low to mid $X,XXX reseller pricing, I expect to make in the low 5 to middle 5 figures. Really what the hell are you talking about? Why on earth would I pay 25k on something I valued in the low to mid 5 figure range to an end user? No domainer would pay that much for this name wholesale.

This is starting to get out of hand. Not only have you began spewing even more incessant bs, you've lost all logic and your inexperience is really starting to show. I'd reply more but I think people reading this get the picture, hell people have even tried to help you by posting more comps...but I guess you still haven't taken the hint.

Good luck man.

PS the sales you just posted as "comps" are on the absolute low end of the scale. They aren't even true city or state GEO's... Queens is a borough of NYC lol and it still sold for mid xxx. You don't really know what your doing...do you?

slader23 said:

The way you are talking and trying to condescend others is despicable. Telling people to make offers on names at end user valuations is ridiculous. I expect to be making $100k+ on that investment an end user if I am paying for a name that has a reseller price of $25k. At low to mid $X,XXX reseller pricing, I expect to make in the low 5 to middle 5 figures. Really what the hell are you talking about? Why on earth would I pay 25k on something I valued in the low to mid 5 figure range to an end user? No domainer would pay that much for this name wholesale.

This is starting to get out of hand. Not only have you began spewing even more incessant bs, you've lost all logic and your inexperience is really starting to show. I'd reply more but I think people reading this get the picture, hell people have even tried to help you buy posting more comps...but I guess you still haven't taken the hint.

Good luck man.

PS the sales you just posted as "comps" are on the absolute low end of the scale. They aren't even true city or state GEO's... Queens is a borough of NYC lol and it still sold for mid xxx. You don't really know what your doing...do you?

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I love how you think of yourself as the expect, even though other users in this thread have gone so far as to state that they agree with me. I believe you are the one that is a bit confused. One day you will understand the error of your ways...but in the meantime, since you feel this domain is so valuable, why not make an offer? Any offer? Why are you afraid to back up your statements with action? Small people, such as yourself, talk...big people back up their words with action, which you are unwilling to do.

todaygold said:

I love how you think of yourself as the expect, even though other users in this thread have gone so far as to state that they agree with me. I believe you are the one that is a bit confused. One day you will understand the error of your ways...but in the meantime, since you feel this domain is so valuable, why not make an offer? Any offer? Why are you afraid to back up your statements with action? Small people, such as yourself, talk...big people back up their words with action, which you are unwilling to do.

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You had 1 or 2 people agree with you while everyone else has posted more comps, stated that this thread has gotten ridiculous and even gone as far as saying public appraisals are worthless.

Who are you to tell me to make an offer ? Do you know my risk appetite? Do you understand what I'm currently in the market for? My niches of expertise? My budget? The fact that you have audacity to tell other people to bid shamelessly and without respect speaks a 1000 words about your character. The small person here is you, because rather than admit you are mistaken you lash out at others in an attempt to make yourself feel better about yourself. You've done that not only on this thread but on many other appraisal threads, other users can simply click on your profile and go through your posts to see the malice in your words towards other peoples names. What do I have to prove? To whom must I prove myself to? No one. I don't need validation for my actions, I act and operate entirely at my own pace just like everyone else. Who is small? Who is big? This isn't a pissing competition, you must be incredibly immature to be making a statement like that.

slader23 said:

You had 1 or 2 people agree with you while everyone else has posted more comps, stated that this thread has gotten ridiculous and even gone as far as saying public appraisals are worthless.

Who are you to tell me to make an offer ? Do you know my risk appetite? Do you understand what I'm currently in the market for? My niches of expertise? My budget? The fact that you have audacity to tell other people to bid shamelessly and without respect speaks a 1000 words about your character. The small person here is you, because rather than admit you are mistaken you lash out at others in an attempt to make yourself feel better about yourself. You've done that not only on this thread but on many other appraisal threads, other users can simply click on your profile and go through your posts to see the malice in your words towards other peoples names. What do I have to prove? To whom must I prove myself to? No one. I don't need validation for my actions, I act and operate entirely at my own pace just like everyone else. Who is small? Who is big? This isn't a pissing competition, you must be incredibly immature to be making a statement like that.

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Your posts would actually be comical if you weren't actually serious. You sit here and lecture me that I'm 'wrong' and my opinion is worthless, you are the one that first replied to me, even though my original post had nothing to do with you...yet you then get mad when I call you out. Who are you to decide that your opinions are correct and valuable and mine are not? And what risk appetite? There is NO risk here at all according to you...this domain is gold...or at least that's what you say since you aren't willing to back up your statements. Your expertise? So are you saying, after this lengthy argument, that this isn't your area of expertise? Your budget? Anyone that could turn around and make $25,000 in less than a month would be able to find the money...even if you had to take a loan for it. To let $25,000 disappear would be pretty dumb of you, wouldn't it? I love how you talk talk talk, but when you have the chance to back up your talk with action, you refuse to do so.

todaygold said:

Your posts would actually be comical if you weren't actually serious. You sit here and lecture me that I'm 'wrong' and my opinion is worthless, you are the one that first replied to me, even though my original post had nothing to do with you...yet you then get mad when I call you out. Who are you to decide that your opinions are correct and valuable and mine are not? And what risk appetite? There is NO risk here at all according to you...this domain is gold...or at least that's what you say since you aren't willing to back up your statements. Your expertise? So are you saying, after this lengthy argument, that this isn't your area of expertise? Your budget? Anyone that could turn around and make $25,000 in less than a month would be able to find the money...even if you had to take a loan for it. To let $25,000 disappear would be pretty dumb of you, wouldn't it? I love how you talk talk talk, but when you have the chance to back up your talk with action, you refuse to do so.

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My god, simply ridiculous. I never said your appraisal was worthless. I said it was wrong and that it did not look at comps.

You on the other hand:
1.Called me dumb--->Someone reported it. It has since been removed.
2.Made fun of other users appraisals--->"missing a few decimals"
3.Questioned the OP's investment strategy.
4.Questioned the validity of the OP's offers.
5.Questioned OP in general.
6.Called me a small man.
7.Say I can't put my money where my mouth is when you are the one telling me what to offer and how much.

That's pretty abusive behavior. All because I told you your appraisal was wrong?
Now your stuck on the fact that I won't offer the OP $25k for the name, saying that I love to talk talk talk and not take action. I took action. I just brought your ego down several notches. Have fun appraising peoples names I'm sure they'll trust your opinion.

slader23 said:

My god, simply ridiculous. I never said your appraisal was worthless. I said it was wrong and that it did not look at comps.

You on the other hand:
1.Called me dumb--->Someone reported it. It has since been removed.
2.Made fun of other users appraisals--->"missing a few decimals"
3.Questioned the OP's investment strategy.
4.Questioned the validity of the OP's offers.
5.Questioned OP in general.
6.Called me a small man.
7.Say I can't put my money where my mouth is when you are the one telling me what to offer and how much.

That's pretty abusive behavior. All because I told you your appraisal was wrong?
Now your stuck on the fact that I won't offer the OP $25k for the name, saying that I love to talk talk talk and not take action. I took action. I just brought your ego down several notches. Have fun appraising peoples names I'm sure they'll trust your opinion.

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First, who are you to call my opinion wrong? Are you the supreme one that decides who's opinion is right and who's is wrong?
Second, you aren't exactly scholarly yourself:
1. You went out of your way to reply to my first post...which was not directed at you, was not meant for you and frankly, was none of your business.
2. To another user on this thread, you posted 7 upside laughing smileys...essentially making fun of their post.
3. You claimed I'm talking out of my A$$ in one post.
4. You put down another user because you didn't agree with him by saying his opinion has no value because he is a new member.
5. When you ran out of things to say, you professionally just kept repeating 'thanks for ruining the thread'.

Is what you did not abusive behavior?

todaygold said:

First, who are you to call my opinion wrong? Are you the supreme one that decides who's opinion is right and who's is wrong?
Second, you aren't exactly scholarly yourself:
1. You went out of your way to reply to my first post...which was not directed at you, was not meant for you and frankly, was none of your business.
2. To another user on this thread, you posted 7 upside laughing smileys...essentially making fun of their post.
3. You claimed I'm talking out of my A$$ in one post.
4. You put down another user because you didn't agree with him by saying his opinion has no value because he is a new member.
5. When you ran out of things to say, you professionally just kept repeating 'thanks for ruining the thread'.

Is what you did not abusive behavior?

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1.Hmm did I say your opinion has no value? No.
2. Did I say you were talking out of your A$$? Yes. Why? You brought no substance to your appraisal. No comps, no knowledge of the geo+lawyer.com niche, just a whole bunch of arrogance. So I had reason to believe that you were talking bs.

3. Did I put you down? I explained the reasons why this name was worth the valuation I gave it and argued every single point you made to the point where you became hostile. I didn't put you down, you put down yourself.

4. I told that member, I didn't trust his opinion because he's been here for less than two weeks. He boasted about sales in 2007 etc, he could have very well made those sales but this is a big forum, I don't trust anyone that's new here not just out of instinct but also because there is not enough of a sample size to judge their character. For you on the other hand all I have to do is look at your posts since the time you joined and I'll be able to judge your character. I implore everyone reading this thread to do so, this kind of appraisal and reaction from you is similar to other posts you have made.

5. I said thanks for ruining the thread because of one reason and one reason only......you ruined the thread.

slader23 said:

1.Hmm did I say your opinion has no value? No.

I don't trust anyone that's new here

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You pretty much did. You said 'Stop giving appraisals, especially pre purchase appraisals they are of little help to anyone.' You then told me I was wrong. So that's pretty much saying it has no value.
And for not trusting new members, you sure seem to have no problem trusting the OP who is brand new? When myself and other members said something seems fishy and his story doesn't sound right...you seemed to believe that we were the wrong ones.

todaygold said:

You pretty much did. You said 'Stop giving appraisals, especially pre purchase appraisals they are of little help to anyone.' You then told me I was wrong. So that's pretty much saying it has no value.
And for not trusting new members, you sure seem to have no problem trusting the OP who is brand new? When myself and other members said something seems fishy and his story doesn't sound right...you seemed to believe that we were the wrong ones.

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It's the OP's thread. He put his trust in other members to give him a fair appraisal. It's not up to us to "appraise the person". Only one other member questioned the OP. I told you to stop yes, but still I never said your appraisals were worthless, just that they wouldn't really be of any help. You were wrong. You diverged from the premise of the thread and that is why I told you "thanks for ruining the thread". If you want to question an OP do that in PM.

slader23 said:

If you want to question an OP do that in PM.

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Interesting. So you can publicly state in the thread that someone's appraisal is worthless or a comment has no value because the member is new...but no one else is allowed to say something seems fishy with the new OP. You really have a big ego...one set of rules for you, a different set for everyone else (in your mind at least).

I would appraise the name three ways:

What I know is this:
nyclaw.com 2,597 USD 2016-04-05 Flippa
nyclawyers.com 2,250 USD 2009-06-30 Afternic

Reseller Value:
If you put the name up for auction here on NP with $1 start it might go to $100 to $250.

End User Value:
If you got on the phone yourself and sent out emails you could get be $1500 - $3,000 most likely.

Super Broker Value:
Top brokers would do their magic and might fetch $20,000 - $25,000. Might take 5 - 10 years though.

slader23 said:

My god, simply ridiculous. I never said your appraisal was worthless. I said it was wrong and that it did not look at comps.

You on the other hand:
1.Called me dumb--->Someone reported it. It has since been removed.
2.Made fun of other users appraisals--->"missing a few decimals"
3.Questioned the OP's investment strategy.
4.Questioned the validity of the OP's offers.
5.Questioned OP in general.
6.Called me a small man.
7.Say I can't put my money where my mouth is when you are the one telling me what to offer and how much.

That's pretty abusive behavior. All because I told you your appraisal was wrong?
Now your stuck on the fact that I won't offer the OP $25k for the name, saying that I love to talk talk talk and not take action. I took action. I just brought your ego down several notches. Have fun appraising peoples names I'm sure they'll trust your opinion.

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Whatever you do guys, please don't stop. Having gone a few rounds with @todaygold myself in another thread before I'm enjoying this tremendously
I think @todaygold met his sparring partner here

Domains - Wanted said:

I think @todaygold met his sparring partner here

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I don't know @Domains - Wanted ...he isn't throwing in the towel as quick as you did, but he seems to be loosing steam!

Silentptnr said:

I would appraise the name three ways:

What I know is this:
nyclaw.com 2,597 USD 2016-04-05 Flippa
nyclawyers.com 2,250 USD 2009-06-30 Afternic

Reseller Value:
If you put the name up for auction here on NP with $1 start it might go to $100 to $250.

End User Value:
If you got on the phone yourself and sent out emails you could get be $1500 - $3,000 most likely.

Super Broker Value:
Top brokers would do their magic and might fetch $20,000 - $25,000. Might take 5 - 10 years though.

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Great appraisal and sumup