The USA Political Thread

What's baffling to me about anyone trusting Trump with the economy, is that he's clearly the most economically ignorant candidate to ever run for office. If the interview where he suggested renegotiating America's debt didn't bring that point home, you just have to spend a few minutes listening to him talk about trade to understand how hopelessly clueless he is.

For starters, he doesn't even appear to know what trade deficits are. In interview after interview, he talks about them as if they add to the debt just like budget deficits ( they don't ). He also seems to have this gut-based belief that trade deficits equal greater unemployment when in fact there's no correlation between employment levels and trade imbalances. Even his notion that the decline of manufacturing jobs in America is directly related to outsourcing has been thoroughly debunked ( the primary culprit is automation ).

I'd honestly have more faith in the average high-schooler to manage the economy. At least there's a chance that a student might recognize that they've got something to learn whereas Trump is a man who thinks he already knows everything when he obviously knows next to nothing.

Linda Sarsour one of the Organizers For DC Women’s March Against Trump Pictured Flashing the ISIS Sign.



The fact that an Islamic faction was one of the organizers of the Women’s March is laughable at best. Islam is responsible for the worst abuses of women and children not only throughout history, but at present day. Islamic supremacists who wish to impose Sharia law in America have infiltrated various leftist movements in order to appear as an oppressed minority.

GILSAN said:

Islam is responsible for the worst abuses of women and children not only throughout history, but at present day.

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That is one of the best reasons to be involved in the march.

Please do judge each individual Muslim, whether they actually want to impose Sharia Law in the US, or whether they are violent.

I don't know anything about Islam, I've never read the book, however I don't believe that the majority are as bad as you say.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-educated-Muslims-think-of-the-Sharia-law

http://www.tolerance.org/publication/sharia

There are Muslims near to where I live, always walking down my road, that I went to school with, etc. All good here!



"I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality"

(I don't like violence and boxing)

GILSAN said:

Linda Sarsour one of the Organizers For DC Women’s March Against Trump Pictured Flashing the ISIS Sign.

The fact that an Islamic faction was one of the organizers of the Women’s March is laughable at best. Islam is responsible for the worst abuses of women and children not only throughout history, but at present day. Islamic supremacists who wish to impose Sharia law in America have infiltrated various leftist movements in order to appear as an oppressed minority.

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Oh No, they're everywhere!




And here he is giving the dreaded double-ISIS sign. He's not even trying to hide it anymore!!!!


We're all doomed!

GILSAN said:

Linda Sarsour one of the Organizers For DC Women’s March Against Trump Pictured Flashing the ISIS Sign.

The fact that an Islamic faction was one of the organizers of the Women’s March is laughable at best. Islam is responsible for the worst abuses of women and children not only throughout history, but at present day. Islamic supremacists who wish to impose Sharia law in America have infiltrated various leftist movements in order to appear as an oppressed minority.

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Gilsan, can always be counted on for being a lying idiot. At least you're consistent.

Linda Sarsour @lsarsour

ISIS are a cancer of this earth. They need to be deleted. Doesn't excuse Bashar or his regime. https://twitter.com/jelhalabi/status/635588335885402116 …

7:08 PM - 23 Aug 2015

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...h-attacked-online_us_58865134e4b0e3a7356adbb2

The dumb stuff that you post

"The fact that an Islamic faction was one of the organizers of the Women’s March is laughable at best."

Really?

discobull said:

What's baffling to me about anyone trusting Trump with the economy, is that he's clearly the most economically ignorant candidate to ever run for office. If the interview where he suggested renegotiating America's debt didn't bring that point home, you just have to spend a few minutes listening to him talk about trade to understand how hopelessly clueless he is.

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This ^^^^^^^^^^^^

He's ignorant in so many ways, not just about he economy.

So instead of renegotiating parts of TPP, he pulls the USA out of it. Don't think there will be repercussions? Wait until it costs you $2000 to replace your $300 TV.

China for the win.

discobull said:

What's baffling to me about anyone trusting Trump with the economy, is that he's clearly the most economically ignorant candidate to ever run for office. If the interview where he suggested renegotiating America's debt didn't bring that point home, you just have to spend a few minutes listening to him talk about trade to understand how hopelessly clueless he is.

For starters, he doesn't even appear to know what trade deficits are. In interview after interview, he talks about them as if they add to the debt just like budget deficits ( they don't ). He also seems to have this gut-based belief that trade deficits equal greater unemployment when in fact there's no correlation between employment levels and trade imbalances. Even his notion that the decline of manufacturing jobs in America is directly related to outsourcing has been thoroughly debunked ( the primary culprit is automation ).

I'd honestly have more faith in the average high-schooler to manage the economy. At least there's a chance that a student might recognize that they've got something to learn whereas Trump is a man who thinks he already knows everything when he obviously knows next to nothing.

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When Obama was elected he had less governmental experience than a used postage stamp. I think Trump will be fine, at least he has worked an actual job before getting elected.

enlytend said:

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So instead of renegotiating parts of TPP, he pulls the USA out of it. Don't think there will be repercussions? Wait until it costs you $2000 to replace your $300 TV.

China for the win.

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The most sought after country to export to is the US, so all these 12 (if I'm not wrong) Pacific countries are shaking on their knees right now and will want to make a deal as soon as possible.

Trump is smart in what he's doing. It'll be beneficial to the US economy and eventually to the rest of the world, and I'll bet you your $300 TV will never become $2000. Stop exaggerating.

Time will prove how you and all the doomsayers are soooooo wrong about Trump.

RogueWriter said:

When Obama was elected he had less governmental experience than a used postage stamp. I think Trump will be fine, at least he has worked an actual job before getting elected.

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Yes, before becoming president, Obama's only experience was as a state senator, a US senator, a civil rights attorney and constitutional lawyer, so a mentally ill reality TV host is clearly an upgrade.

GILSAN said:

The most sought after country to export to is the US, so all these 12 (if I'm not wrong) Pacific countries are shaking on their knees right now and will want to make a deal as soon as possible.

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More hubris. The US has a huge trade deficit to the rest of the world. Don't think that makes it in a position to command better terms.

"America first and screw everyone else" cannot work, because other nations have interests too. As long as you are going to trade with other nations, you have to negotiate, that includes diplomacy, compromise and even a bit of strong-arming and persuasion but the deal has to be fair and reasonable for all parties involved. You can't downright ignore the legitimate interests of other parties or this is war. Which is very possible with a madman like Trump who lives in alternate reality and has no clue.

He still doesn't understand that he cannot run a country like one of his businesses.

Trade agreements are complex and take years to negotiate. Anyway WTO countries cannot tax and punish foreign imports at will and not be subject to reciprocity. The real world has plenty of rules, regulations, agreements, frameworks and obligations.

discobull said:

Yes, before becoming president, Obama's only experience was as a state senator, a US senator, a civil rights attorney and constitutional lawyer, so a mentally ill reality TV host is clearly an upgrade.

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I'm glad we can agree on that; Trump is clearly an upgrade over Obama. Thanks for agreeing!

Kate said:

More hubris. The US has a huge trade deficit to the rest of the world. Don't think that makes it in a position to command better terms.

"America first and screw everyone else" cannot work, because other nations have interests too. As long as you are going to trade with other nations, you have to negotiate, that includes diplomacy, compromise and even a bit of strong-arming and persuasion but the deal has to be fair and reasonable for all parties involved. You can't downright ignore the legitimate interests of other parties or this is war. Which is very possible with a madman like Trump who lives in alternate reality and has no clue.

He still doesn't understand that he cannot run a country like one of his businesses.

Trade agreements are complex and take years to negotiate. Anyway WTO countries cannot tax and punish foreign imports at will and not be subject to reciprocity. The real world has plenty of rules, regulations, agreements, frameworks and obligations.

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Time will prove you and all Liberal Trump haters totally wrong.

Trump advances controversial oil pipelines with executive action

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/polit...tive-actions0455PMVODtopVideo&linkId=33725683

It's going to pop off now.

Musk: "You could take a corner of Utah and Nevada and power the entire United States with solar power."

"The important thing to appreciate is if let's say the only thing we had was solar energy, that that was the only power source, if you just took a small section of Spain, you could power all of Europe," he said. "It's a very small amount of area that's actually needed to generate the electricity we need to power civilization or in the case of the U.S., a little corner of Nevada or Utah, power the entire United States."

More power from the sun hits the Earth in a single hour than humanity uses in an entire year, yet solar only provided 0.39% of the energy used in the US last year.

f solar is 20% efficient at turning solar energy into power (as it has been in lab tests), we'd only need to cover a land area about the size of Spain to power the entire Earth renewably in 2030 — just like Musk said.

And while it's useful in the map to show the solar installations as squares bunched together, this area could actually be spread over more space, with solar panels tucked away on rooftops and spread across deserts.

Remember, that's if we only relied on solar — no fossil fuel-guzzling oil, coal, or natural gas.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-solar-panels-to-power-the-earth-2015-12?r=US&IR=T

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...trump-green-energy-fossil-fuels-a7541971.html

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

But then Rupert Murdoch/Trump wont benefit from domestic oil reserves, and big oil Exxon corps / Saudi Arabia wont benefit from slaughtering Yemen, car manufacturers from oil...

GILSAN said:

Time will prove you and all Liberal Trump haters totally wrong.

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It'll be okay after the oil stocks are built up again.

"Russia relies on energy revenues to drive most of its growth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

Iran looks to be next on the hit list (with help from Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Israel?).

No wonder Trump is so hard on China, compared to e.g. Russia, they offer nothing to his agenda and are the new enemy.

I still cannot understand why anyone voted for Trump... All this after 3 days in office.

Just imagine in another year or 2...

Kate said:

More hubris. The US has a huge trade deficit to the rest of the world. Don't think that makes it in a position to command better terms.

"America first and screw everyone else" cannot work, because other nations have interests too. As long as you are going to trade with other nations, you have to negotiate, that includes diplomacy, compromise and even a bit of strong-arming and persuasion but the deal has to be fair and reasonable for all parties involved. You can't downright ignore the legitimate interests of other parties or this is war. Which is very possible with a madman like Trump who lives in alternate reality and has no clue.

He still doesn't understand that he cannot run a country like one of his businesses.

Trade agreements are complex and take years to negotiate. Anyway WTO countries cannot tax and punish foreign imports at will and not be subject to reciprocity. The real world has plenty of rules, regulations, agreements, frameworks and obligations.

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Kate, you're in for a rude awakening. He knows exactly what the plan is... It is war!

https://www.salon.com/2017/01/24/do...ngs-to-build-up-our-military-and-then-use-it/

"ISIS is making a tremendous amount of money because of the oil that they took away, they have some in Syria, they have some in Iraq, I would bomb the shit out of them.

I would just bomb those suckers, and that’s right, I’d blow up the pipes. I’d blow up the refineries. I’d blow up ever single inch. There would be nothing left.

And you know what, you’ll get Exxon to come in there, and in two months — you ever see these guys? How good they are, the great oil companies. They’ll rebuild it brand new. . . . And I’ll take the oil."

GILSAN said:

I still cannot understand why anyone voted for Trump... All this after 3 days in office.

Just imagine in another year or 2...

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http://www.theholocaustexplained.or...n-support/what-did-the-nazis-promise-germany/

Hitler promised to overturn the Treaty of Versailles and stop reparations and to give Germany back her pride.

He also promised to re-arm Germany, contrary to the Treaty. By recruiting a large army and building a whole new navy and air force, Hitler would be able to reduce unemployment. This promise made him popular both with some sections of the unemployed and the military.

Hitler’s promise of strong government and stability was widely supported particularly by industrialists, who were terrified of the left wing unions and communism. Particularly after the Wall Street Crash, many big businessmen made huge donations to the Nazi Party.

By making the Jews the scapegoat no-one had to take responsibility for their role in Germany’s collapse.

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Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.........

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Actually Trump has said we need to use all types of energy.

En said:

http://www.theholocaustexplained.or...n-support/what-did-the-nazis-promise-germany/

Hitler promised to overturn the Treaty of Versailles and stop reparations and to give Germany back her pride.

He also promised to re-arm Germany, contrary to the Treaty. By recruiting a large army and building a whole new navy and air force, Hitler would be able to reduce unemployment. This promise made him popular both with some sections of the unemployed and the military.

Hitler’s promise of strong government and stability was widely supported particularly by industrialists, who were terrified of the left wing unions and communism. Particularly after the Wall Street Crash, many big businessmen made huge donations to the Nazi Party.

By making the Jews the scapegoat no-one had to take responsibility for their role in Germany’s collapse.

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Oh puhhleeease, stop comparing Trump to Hitler you are embarrassing yourself.

RogueWriter said:

Oh puhhleeease, stop comparing Trump to Hitler you are embarrassing yourself.

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Trump did say, "are we living in Nazi Germany?" (good question!) OK for the president tho? Naive, naive naive!

"So now you know why Barack Obama never comes to the rescue for Yemeni civilians being murdered, it’s the same reason Russian speakers in the East of Ukraine are not protected, and the same reason ISIL has been allowed to roam Northern Iraq and Eastern Syria. Oh, and Rupert Murdoch, the owner of the Wall Street Journal, his key energy investment in Genie Oil is a direct competitor with any future Yemen revenue gains from new sources. AMSO American shale, a subsidiary of Genie is vested in monetizing the last of America’s shale reserves. So the picture puzzle of Yemen chaos should be complete for you now."

"In plain sight"

This has clearly been planned as strategic by the US and Saudi Arabia.

RogueWriter said:

Oh puhhleeease, stop comparing Trump to Hitler you are embarrassing yourself.

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This might not be 'exactly' "Nazi Germany", however what the US (and allies) have done to innocent people is an absolute disgrace in it's own right.

RogueWriter said:

Actually Trump has said we need to use all types of energy.

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Sure, forget about his actions. I think Tesla was in the meeting today too, with the car manufacturers (US born only)?

USDA (the guys who issue salmonella warnings and things like that) have been forbidden to communicate with the public
EPA forbidden to commnunicate with the public
HHS has been forbidden to have any discussions with "public officials"
Federal workers have been ordered not to talk to Congress (?!) or the press
Spokespeople still lying their asses off about stupid trivial stuff to divert attention.
Meanwhile, ignoring pleas from southern states to help after storms and tornados devastated parts of Mississippi and other parts of the region.