STATE OF THE NEW G'S

Internet.Domains · Jan 11, 2017

The current STATE OF THE NEW G'S is good!...or is it?

After nearly 3 years into the introduction of New G's there remains:
* Very low 'End User' usage
* Very little aftermarket activity
* Declining inquiries
* Inconsistent registry changes affecting drops, renewals and pricing
* Little to none public awareness

In conclusion, the current STATE OF THE NEW G'S is not good.

(Disclaimer: I am a proponent and investor of New G's, but I tend to have a REALIST view of things)

Wannabean · Jan 16, 2017

mad409 said:
I get that but imitations, come on...

he's just fighting his corner. To be expected reall

mad409 said:
SEX.CITY, $2,150.00 not bad, thanks for sharing...

Likely cost around that to register.

Wannabean · Jan 16, 2017

Addison said:
ICANN is to blame, IMO, for this slow start. ICANN could use every hundred million they've collected from these new G's to raise awareness about them. That would put new G's on the global stage.

Not really ICANN's responsibility and the cash isn't flowing back in for those whose it is. All this means is there's not much of a war chest available for marketing.

Addison · Jan 16, 2017

Wannabean said:
Not really ICANN's responsibility

Legally, it's not their responsibility. Professionally, if companies pay you hundreds of millions of dollars, you have a responsibility to them, IMO.

Wannabean · Jan 16, 2017

Addison said:
Legally, it's not their responsibility. Professionally, if companies pay you hundreds of millions of dollars, you have a responsibility to them, IMO.

They play the role of regulators (although not officially and with a limited mandate). It's not their place to take sides in some weird battle for extensional supremacy. In fact, if they did start promoting new g's it could be construed as a serious conflict of interest and bring their credibility in to question.

mad409 · Jan 17, 2017

Wannabean said:
he's just fighting his corner. To be expected reall

Likely cost around that to register.

I think sex.city has a pretty low renewal if I recall... So a good ROI..

Addison · Jan 17, 2017

Wannabean said:
In fact, if they did start promoting new g's it could be construed as a serious conflict of interest and bring their credibility in to question.

Superb insight. How should they spend that money then?

168 · Jan 17, 2017

dordomai said:
all reported sales last 2 weeks

Nice. ave sale 456.00 ave 22 times cost
Cheers

168 · Jan 17, 2017

Internet.Domains said:
* Three years is plenty of time to make some sort of impact, it's plenty of time to gain some sort of MOMENTUM.
* The Namescon auction will be highly publicized and will not include any good news for the aftermarket or show any kind of demand.
* The Namescon auction is sponsored by registries that have a vested interest in seeing good results, which won't happen. You can't blame the poor results on a biased auction.
* If registration is up 240%, there should be demand in the aftermarket. The number '240%' includes $.01 registrations, or rather "free give aways".
* The majority of the aftermarket activity is from the highly speculative Chinese market.

The momentum is in "use" and "investment" There isn't an aftermarket yet. Aftermarkets don't just appear. They are a product of use and investment.
Just 3 years ago, .com had 99% of the start up market. Today it's 68%. This demonstrates a willingness of "Users" to adopt something other than .com This is "real people"
The TechCrunch Disrupt Hackathon; one of the most prestigious hackathons in the country was held at Pier 48,San Francisco over the weekend of 10-11 September 2016. The event saw over 60% of the teams using a new domain extension to host their hackathon projects on including overall winners -
Hackers were excited to use the new domain extensions and claimed availability of names, high recall value, meaningful and descriptive extensions to be some of the primary reasons to use the names, not a substitute till they can get .com
[they] "are extremely happy with the choice of the domain name. It showcases exactly what the product does"
.Com has regular "teasers" for 99 cents. registrations for com/net are in decline.
It took .com nearly 15 years to reach the same amount of registrations and a steady aftermarket.
NamesCon auction is and has always favored .com geared toward .com investors not "end users" of any kind. which is OK but not indicative the rest of the world.
I have personally witnessed .com investors say they are only buying .coms then bid on New "G"s ( called them on it too)
I have yet to see the NamesCon auction promote New "G"s beyond listing them. Registries/registrars have also been slow to promote. This may change with it's new owners.
.Club is a stand out with razor sharp promotion and pro active results (getting into a closed China market) and doing quite well.
Porkbun is also doing well focusing on "users" So is Radix- Have you met the team? They are awesome!
Last year's auction results for New "G"s did quite well considering "Nobody has ever heard of them" and the majority of investors were .com heavy. You should attend to see for yourself rather than speculate.
Again, please post facts vs opinion based on what? Facts. Facts. Facts. So we can come to our own informed opinions.
Happy Hunting

Bram C. · Jan 17, 2017

168 said:
registrations for com/net are in decline.

.com registrations are rising again you mean. They are again over 127 million.
Source: https://www.thedomains.com/2017/01/15/com-registrations-back-127-million/

168 · Jan 17, 2017

Bram C. said:
.com registrations are rising again you mean. They are again over 127 million.

The rest of the story,
Its appears that there was an increase of over 3 million domain registrations in the 4Q of 2015 and a lost of less than 50% of those but we will have to wait for the Verisign to release their Industry Brief for the 4Q of 2016 or their earnings release and call which is scheduled for Feb 9, 2017.
Cheers

168 · Jan 17, 2017

.Com Registrations Loses Another 1 Million Domains In Less Than 2 Weeks; Now Under 127 Million
DECEMBER 29, 2016 BY MICHAEL BERKENS

It was just on December 16th that we reported that the number of .Com domain names in the Domain Name Base as reported by Verisign had dropped below 128 Million.

As of today the number of .Com domain names in the Domain Name Base as reported by Verisign who operates the .Com registry has dropped by another million domains to under 127 Million.

STILL BELOW 128M Just the FACTS jack
Cheers

Bram C. · Jan 17, 2017

168 said:
.Com Registrations Loses Another 1 Million Domains In Less Than 2 Weeks; Now Under 127 Million
DECEMBER 29, 2016 BY MICHAEL BERKENS

It was just on December 16th that we reported that the number of .Com domain names in the Domain Name Base as reported by Verisign had dropped below 128 Million.

As of today the number of .Com domain names in the Domain Name Base as reported by Verisign who operates the .Com registry has dropped by another million domains to under 127 Million.

STILL BELOW 128M Just the FACTS jack
Cheers

I'm not saying they are back to where they were. But they are definitely rising again.
Simply put, .com is not declining. At least not anymore. So your statement was not correct.

It was obvious that the drops from the Chinese hype were responsible for the short-lived decline in total .com registrations. The Chinese drops are gone now, .com goes up again. As expected.

I think Michael Berkens summarized it perfectly:

Those domain names that were dropped after the first year of registration have now dropped and its back to business as usual.

Cheers.

mad409 · Jan 17, 2017

Bram C. said:
I'm not saying they are back to where they were. But they are definitely rising again.
Simply put, .com is not declining. At least not anymore. So your statement was not correct.

It was obvious that the drops from the Chinese hype were responsible for the short-lived decline total .com registrations. The Chinese drops are gone now, .com goes up again. As expected.

Cheers.

Why are you even talking about that here?

Thread title:

STATE OF THE NEW G'S

Bram C. · Jan 17, 2017

mad409 said:
Why are you even talking about that here?

Thread title:

STATE OF THE NEW G'S

Because it was a reply to @168

registrations for com/net are in decline.

Which was posted in this thread with thread title "STATE OF THE NEW G'S"

Are you telling me I can't reply to people anymore now?

slader23 · Jan 17, 2017

Decline or not, .com currently does not have the same YoY growth rate as ngtlds right now. NGTLDs are growing at an incredible pace, some registries have seen growth in the hundreds of percent just in the past 2 months.

mad409 · Jan 17, 2017

Bram C. said:
Because it was a reply to @168

Which was posted in this thread with thread title "STATE OF THE NEW G'S"

Are you telling me I can't reply to people anymore now?

Off topic, I need to start hitting report more often since I have posts deleted all the freakin time...

mad409 · Jan 17, 2017

OP said in case anyone missed it:

The current STATE OF THE NEW G'S is good!...or is it?

After nearly 3 years into the introduction of New G's there remains:
* Very low 'End User' usage
* Very little aftermarket activity
* Declining inquiries
* Inconsistent registry changes affecting drops, renewals and pricing
* Little to none public awareness

In conclusion, the current STATE OF THE NEW G'S is not good.

(Disclaimer: I am a proponent and investor of New G's, but I tend to have a REALIST view of things)

Now I see nothing about .com in this question!

Bram C. · Jan 17, 2017

mad409 said:
In conclusion, the current STATE OF THE NEW G'S is not good.

(Disclaimer: I am a proponent and investor of New G's, but I tend to have a REALIST view of things)

Now I see nothing about .com in this question!

Agreed. So let's all stop talking about .com shall we? (at least in this thread)

168 · Jan 17, 2017

Bram,

See ya Feb 9th
Cheers

Bram C. · Jan 17, 2017

168 said:
Bram,

See ya Feb 9th
Cheers

Yeah the namescon results from the extended auction will be interesting (I assume that is the date you're referring to). We will see how the new gTLDs have fared.

Internet.Domains · Jan 17, 2017

168 said:
The momentum is in "use" and "investment" There isn't an aftermarket yet. Aftermarkets don't just appear. They are a product of use and investment.
Just 3 years ago, .com had 99% of the start up market. Today it's 68%. This demonstrates a willingness of "Users" to adopt something other than .com This is "real people"
The TechCrunch Disrupt Hackathon; one of the most prestigious hackathons in the country was held at Pier 48,San Francisco over the weekend of 10-11 September 2016. The event saw over 60% of the teams using a new domain extension to host their hackathon projects on including overall winners -
Hackers were excited to use the new domain extensions and claimed availability of names, high recall value, meaningful and descriptive extensions to be some of the primary reasons to use the names, not a substitute till they can get .com
[they] "are extremely happy with the choice of the domain name. It showcases exactly what the product does"
.Com has regular "teasers" for 99 cents. registrations for com/net are in decline.
It took .com nearly 15 years to reach the same amount of registrations and a steady aftermarket.
NamesCon auction is and has always favored .com geared toward .com investors not "end users" of any kind. which is OK but not indicative the rest of the world.
I have personally witnessed .com investors say they are only buying .coms then bid on New "G"s ( called them on it too)
I have yet to see the NamesCon auction promote New "G"s beyond listing them. Registries/registrars have also been slow to promote. This may change with it's new owners.
.Club is a stand out with razor sharp promotion and pro active results (getting into a closed China market) and doing quite well.
Porkbun is also doing well focusing on "users" So is Radix- Have you met the team? They are awesome!
Last year's auction results for New "G"s did quite well considering "Nobody has ever heard of them" and the majority of investors were .com heavy. You should attend to see for yourself rather than speculate.
Again, please post facts vs opinion based on what? Facts. Facts. Facts. So we can come to our own informed opinions.
Happy Hunting

".Com has regular "teasers" for 99 cents.".............There was $.01 registrations with New G's. There was a huge spike with registrations due to this "teaser" and that continues to be used as an illegitimate talking point.

"I have yet to see the NamesCon auction promote New "G"s beyond listing them. Registries/registrars have also been slow to promote."..............Completely agree, it makes it more odd that New G Registries sponsor NamesCon. This tells me they don't have their priorities correct and that marketing/promotion will continue to be slow, as you mention.

"Last year's auction results for New "G"s did quite well".............Not sure about that, but let's see about this year's auction as it will represent the current "STATE OF THE NEW G'S". Based on the domains in the auction it is fair to say it will be "horrific".

168 · Jan 19, 2017

Bram C. said:
I'm not saying they are back to where they were. But they are definitely rising again.
Simply put, .com is not declining. At least not anymore. So your statement was not correct.

It was obvious that the drops from the Chinese hype were responsible for the short-lived decline in total .com registrations. The Chinese drops are gone now, .com goes up again. As expected.

I think Michael Berkens summarized it perfectly:

Cheers.

A small bump does not trump a large drop. My statement is correct. See ya in Feb for the release

Cheers

168 · Jan 19, 2017

Bram C. said:
Yeah the namescon results from the extended auction will be interesting (I assume that is the date you're referring to). We will see how the new gTLDs have fared.

Nope. I was referring to Verisign Report
Cheers

mad409 · Jan 19, 2017

best.creditcard was a recent reported sale at $10,900.00!

Even at a $250.00 or so renewal it still brought a nice price..

New G's are not dead...

kriss05 · Jan 19, 2017

Of course they are not.

"One should listen to "quiet" forum posts reporting ngtld sales here and there instead of following "loud" Mike Mann's posts".

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