I lost $5805usd through PayPal scam by Shane Bellone

12no3 · Jan 16, 2017

Many of my friend suggested me to post this on namepros so others will less likely to be scamed by shane.

So on 2016-09-26 and 2016-09-27 he bought 374 cvcv.in names and 471 cvcv.in names all together 845 .in names together. (these are random cvcv.in)
together he paid me on paypal 5805 usd.

I pushed the domain to him, then everything is fine. the deal was made through whatsapp chat.
deal closed.
then I saw him selling them on .in markect group, flipped some for higher price.

until 27the decenmber when i log in to my paypal to make another purchase, i see paypal refunded 5805 back to him, then i look up my email, i saw paypal disput which i completed missed.
buyer claim reason: NOT AS DESCRIBED! (this is after he sold and transfer out some of those)

I did not know paypal had this 3 months rules where buyer can claim the money back, and becuase i do not log on paypal so often and get xxx amount of emails every days, so i missed the window that i could have argued with paypal. but well lesson learned.

Some infomation of shane so other can avoid being scamed by him
http://this_username_was_banned.com/
http://www.domainsherpa.com/shane-bellone-itmagazine-interview/
http://tldinvestors.com/2016/05/shane-bellone-saying-goodbye-to-domaining.html
http://omarandwill.com/interview-with-the-expert-volume-2-featuring-shane-bellone/
https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/10154332611129273
https://www.linkedin.com/in/this_username_was_banned
https://twitter.com/this_username_was_banned

good news is after I provided all the evidence to the registrar, the registrar moved the remaining (ones he did not sold or transfer out) to my account, so at least i got something back.

Becuareful when using paypal,and becuareful when you trade any domain that was processed by shane.

During the process of getting the unsold domains by shane, I had great help from .in whatsapp group, so special thx who provide information and also special thx to shiva , kemji, alexa and indy who tried to contact shane for me, but he went dark, not picking his cell phone, does not respond back on whatsapp nor linkedin.

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DomainVP · Jan 16, 2017

creataweb said:
Didn't he post the list of names a few pages back already?

DomainVP said:
Do you have a record of all domains involved in this transaction including the 42 that you say were transferred out? Can you publish that list for all to examine?

I love you guys, but reading is fundamental...

Do you have a record of all domains involved in this transaction including the 42 that you say were transferred out?

Internet.Domains · Jan 16, 2017

DomainVP said:
If you have some things, it would help make your claims more clear than just hearsay.

Do you have a record of all domains involved in this transaction including the 42 that you say were transferred out? Can you publish that list for all to examine?

I ask this because the only information anyone has about these '42 domains' are from you. These 42 domains could possibly not exist, or be a part of a portfolio/transaction that has always resided at GoDaddy.

Can we get someone on record, or proof, from west.xyz that can support these claims about the 42 domains?

I'm not picking at you, but if I was about to bring this to a forum this is the kind of evidence I would have to back me up; not just repeating screenshots of PayPal claims.

Shane shouldn't even need to chime in about the 42 domains. If you registrar says that they were with west.xyz and they were transferred out to WW/GD, and you have a document that affirms as much - then sir you have proven your claims.

But that 'smoking gun' has not been presented. The only thing that you have show was that there was a requested refund that you never responded to. If these .in domains truly could not be transferred out and the 42 'transferred' domains don't exist then this would invalidate your claims.

My main issue with all of this is that if you are going to make these kind of claims, you should have ironclad evidence and execute your due diligence. If you are on the bandwagon to make assumptions before you have solid proof then shame on you as well.

I would want to see these things if it were Dicker, Bellone, Schwartz, or Anil Kumar.

The OP has laid out plenty of evidence including documentation. There is no need for anything further from the OP until Shane or his associate David clarify their position. So far their rebuttal has been confusing and lacks any foundation. It's their turn to provide some documentation and that seems like it's not going to happen. Your aggressive rants attacking the OP is beyond acceptable and it's pretty clear you have a vested interest in this.

creataweb · Jan 16, 2017

DomainVP said:
I love you guys, but reading is fundamental...

Do you have a record of all domains involved in this transaction including the 42 that you say were transferred out?

I saw that but I was mentioning that he posted the 42 that were transferred out and gone. If he wants to post the list or screenshots of ALL the names I guess that's up to him.

anantj · Jan 16, 2017

dordomai said:
Paypal is scary. Now they want you to agree to that they can charge your bank account. I removed my linked bank accounts for that reason. Don't want to give a scammer direct or indirect access to my bank account.

What? Where? Is this for India?

creataweb · Jan 16, 2017

anantj said:
What? Where? Is this for India?

They can do this in other places not just India or wherever he was talking about.

DomainVP · Jan 16, 2017

Internet.Domains said:
The OP has laid out plenty of evidence including documentation. There is no need for anything further from the OP until Shane or his associate David clarify their position. So far their rebuttal has been confusing and lacks any foundation. It's their turn to provide some documentation and that seems like it's not going to happen. Your aggressive rants attacking the OP is beyond acceptable and it's pretty clear you have a vested interest in this.

My vested interest is the truth because this b.s. dragged through here is NOT the Shane I know and respect. If someone was publishing this trite without solid evidence I would hope someone would stand up for me.

The OP can't produce evidence from the registrar? I would be able to do that, and would have done so before coming to a forum to bash someone.

I'm holding this guy accountable so that the next person that comes with this nonsense comes correct.

A few PayPal screen shots and a story of mismanagement does NOT make 'plenty of evidence', in fact it's extremely weak.

You might not have been here long enough, but this bashing goes on so frequently... and then it turns out the OP was wrong and then you never hear about that because it's at the bottom of page 16 after 15 pages of bashing someone else. It's just wrong.

So my vested interest is making sure that if someone calls someone a scammer, that they have the solid proof to do so.

David nor Shane need to say a single word in supplement to what was already said IMO. If I were OP I would already have the iron-clad evidence to refute every statement. The fact that it's not presented makes me question it's existence at all.

LucidDomains · Jan 16, 2017

...and if the OP provides the solid proof you are looking for, will you give him a public apology?

Internet.Domains · Jan 16, 2017

DomainVP said:
My vested interest is the truth because this b.s. dragged through here is NOT the Shane I know and respect. If someone was publishing this trite without solid evidence I would hope someone would stand up for me.

The OP can't produce evidence from the registrar? I would be able to do that, and would have done so before coming to a forum to bash someone.

I'm holding this guy accountable so that the next person that comes with this nonsense comes correct.

You might not have been here long enough, but this bashing goes on so frequently... and then it turns out the OP was wrong and then you never hear about that because it's at the bottom of page 16 after 15 pages of bashing someone else. It's just wrong.

So my vested interest is making sure that if someone calls someone a scammer, that they have the solid proof to do so.

So now your going to attack my credibility, implying I haven't been here long enough?.....The OP laid out a very detailed case, including screen grabs of PayPal. Shane has not responded on here and when he spoke through a third party he did nothing to prove his innocence. Instead he laid out a confusing, at best, scenario and called the OP a "communist"....The evidence at this point is leaning, more heavily by the minute, for the OP.

DomainVP · Jan 16, 2017

Internet.Domains said:
So now your going to attack my credibility, implying I haven't been here long enough?.....The OP laid out a very detailed case, including screen grabs of PayPal. Shane has not responded on here and when he spoke through a third party he did nothing to prove his innocence. Instead he laid out a confusing, at best, scenario and called the OP a "communist"....The evidence at this point is leaning, more heavily by the minute, for the OP.

I'm saying that this song and dance has been danced before, and maybe YOU haven't seen it but I have.

I'm asking to see solid proof against a member of the domain community who has already responded to these claims.

What in the world does it matter where anyone responds? He could have written his response on a napkin and posted it to reddit, a response is a response; with screen shots and a successful PayPal refund. That's more solid proof in my opinion than some screenshots and a story soggy with tears that prove absolutely nothing.

If ANY of this is true OP should go to the registrar and get a detailed report and be able to produce it for us all to review. Instead of just making claims...

Prove me wrong OP.

Again, I'm just asking to see the SAME evidence that I would have brought if I was going to call someone out.

If someone was saying this against you @Internet.Domains I would want to see the same thing.

promo · Jan 16, 2017

I am not sure why everyone is so surprised. SB has made it abundantly clear that he will do anything for the almighty dollar. Thats his god, saviour and most likely only real friend.

He still has some sycophants in his corner though. Would not surprise me if those rabid defenders are shilling for him too. After all one good turn deserves another right?

Anyone need a reminder?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/shane-bellone-thinks-its-ok-to-bypass-broker.972671/

DomainVP · Jan 16, 2017

LucidDomains said:
...and if the OP provides the solid proof you are looking for, will you give him a public apology?

Of course! Absolutely.

And the 'proof' isn't so much what I am looking for, I just think it's what's right if you are making claims like this.

Let me tell you what I would have posted if I was about to make this claim:

#1 - Original agreement
#2 - Successful transaction documentation, including transfer confirmation and listing of all included items.
#3 - Details of Buyers PayPal claim in full (which is available), including my response(s).
#4 - Information from registrar that shows the domains were NOT returned in full, and that the 42 domains in question were in fact a part of #2
#5 - any other supplemental conversations.

That's what I would have shown... and what I would expect someone bringing such claims to present.

DomainVP · Jan 16, 2017

promo said:
He still has some sycophants in his corner though. Would not surprise me if those rabid defenders are shilling for him too. After all one good turn deserves another right?

Call me out properly then, don't just throw weak shade at me.

Again, that's why I am so disgusted by things like this. It seems like it's just en vogue to trash on people without solid proof.

Most of these claims come from spineless people that would rather talk unjust garbage and lies out of the side of their mouth than stand up for the truth.

If I remember correctly that link you just showed had an OP with no contract and was trying to be sneaky to begin with... again... garbage and lies propped up as the truth.

As another member has said directly to YOU before...

Joeguy1014 said:
The problem is that we're talking guilt versus innocence. You're condemning someone based on pure speculation, when in fact the statement is open to other interpretations. And the one I described makes a hell of a lot more sense.

I said it already... If ANY of this is true OP should go to the registrar and get a detailed report and be able to produce it for us all to review.

- Done

wwwweb · Jan 16, 2017

You guys are turning on each other for no reason.

The first question I ask myself is what motive does the OP have to make such statements, what is he attempting to gain from it?

Then you go from there, and build whatever you want out of it, but there has to be something in it for them? What is that?

promo · Jan 16, 2017

Let me call you out then. @DomainVP You are the sycophant I was referring to in this thread.

He has others and its becoming clear that his cronies might have been doing more than just trying to defend a hustler, but also might have been actively trying to aide him in scamming (or profit maximizing as you would probably label it).

I dont know if you are a shill bidder. I just know you are a lousy judge of character and you have heaps of misplaced loyalty. And for some reason you are defending a person with shady character until the very end, when he himself does not even bother. Chose your battles wisely. In the end SBs rep has tainted yours, not that you had any in my book.

BTW:
Who made you VP or ambassador of anything?

DomainVP · Jan 16, 2017

promo said:
In the end SBs rep has tainted yours, not that you had any in my book.

I don't know if you are a shill bidder Promo, but you seem to pop up on threads that always have the same people - whom you defend as well.

I don't work with anyone in the domain community, period. My dollar, and responsibilities, start and end with me.

Speaking of 'lousy', after review of your posts you seem to pop up on any 'Shane' thread to bring some more nonsense to the fray. Not sure what he did to you but in my experience of your posts so far, all it would take is to disagree with your thought process to generate ire from you.

Let's see what happens... if it's like every other nonsense thread the truth of the matter will come out in a few days.

That's what I'm speaking out against... not the in defense of Shane, but holding people like you that want to cry 'scammer' accountable. You want to make a claim, prove it.

Shane can handle himself I'm sure, I don't care that I'm not in the popular opinion to bash the man.

I also think OP can't produce the necessary evidence to merit all this nonsense, and he is just trying to save face in his '.in' group.

When he can't I will expect an apology all of the same. Cheers.

000 · Jan 16, 2017

creataweb · Jan 16, 2017

000 said:

Fixed.

sofiapartner · Jan 16, 2017

I am not surprised at all. And I warned all of you many many times when I was arguing with him and Ali Zandi, showing their lies, their fake sales, their rigged auctions.... while most of the domainers here were kissing their as..s

creataweb · Jan 16, 2017

sofiapartner said:
I am not surprised at all. And I warned all of you many many times when I was arguing with him and Ali Zandi, showing their lies, their fake sales, their rigged auctions.... while most of the domainers here were kissing their as..s

Ali Zandi? That should be a separate thread but be careful what you say.

sofiapartner · Jan 16, 2017

Avtar629 said:
Damn! that's nuts! I actually read that start to finish! I never knew! it even says he had friends on NP doing his dirty work?

and Flippa? is it all true? a bit confused. so.....are flippa upgrades worthless?and are editors choice really just "buddy system"?

seriously is that site bogus? or is it talking the truth?

what to believe?

Welcome to the planet Earth.

sofiapartner · Jan 16, 2017

creataweb said:
Ali Zandi? That should be a separate thread but be careful what you say.

There WAS a separate thread and I proved that Zandi's story(the Fippa Wonder BOY) is full of lies and marketing trick by Flippa.

And the reason I am mentioning him in this thread is because they were best buddies with Shane, doing some bidding at their flippa auctions that I don't have the time to explain... but most of you will get it without much explanation.

creataweb · Jan 16, 2017

sofiapartner said:
There WAS a separate thread and I proved that Zandi's story(the Fippa Wonder BOY) is full of lies and marketing trick by Flippa.

And the reason I am mentioning him in this thread is because they were best buddies with Shane, doing some bidding at their flippa auctions that I don't have the time to explain... but most of you will get it without much explanation.

I haven't seen the thread. Not going to comment further since I am not "in the know" or involved with that.

DomainVP · Jan 16, 2017

sofiapartner said:
There WAS a separate thread and I proved that Zandi's story(the Fippa Wonder BOY) is full of lies and marketing trick by Flippa.

And the reason I am mentioning him in this thread is because they were best buddies with Shane, doing some bidding at their flippa auctions that I don't have the time to explain... but most of you will get it without much explanation.

explain, so that everyone gets it.

Jv1999 · Jan 16, 2017

I feel like this thread is getting scary as Shane is indirectly bringing powerful domaining industries (Flippa) in with him and this thread is kind of bad press for some scary giants Shane is connected to...

:X

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