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Consequences of Registering Trademark Domains

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It is great to see so many new members wanting to become involved in the NamePros community. Welcome to the world of domaining!

However, there seems to be some confusion among new members about whether or not it is ok to register domain names with trademarks in them.

The general quick answer here is NO, it is strongly advised that you do NOT register a domain with a trademark in it. The whole idea for a company to have their brand names trademarked is so they can protect their brand's reputation and profits.

While it may be possible to register domain names with "Microsoft®" or "iPad®" in them, it is important for you to know that domain registrars and registration providers do not police what you register. It is up to the person registering the domain name to know which domain names are ok to register.


Consequences:
If you register a domain name with a trademark in it, you will be faced with the risk of possibly losing that domain name to the company who owns the trademark through WIPO arbitration initiated by the trademark holder. If the trademark holder also believes you have been profiting off their brand name or have effected their reputation in any way, a lawsuit may also be filed to reclaim lost profits and for recovery from damages you may have caused their company.

The only exception to these consequences would be if you registered that same trademarked name for use in a different industry. In that situation, the name is expected not to be confusingly similar to the other company's trademark. For example a trademark can be registered for a computer software company, and by someone else who may be utilizing that same trademarked name to sell swim wear. As long as it is clear that the name is being used for non confusingly similar industries, you should be alright. This typically works out for companies who have lower key trademarks and are not as well known on a national or global level.

If you currently hold a domain with a trademark in it and you do not meet that special circumstance, it is advised that you notify your registrar/registration provider as soon as possible to inform them that you would like to drop the domain.

Howcome other people are registering domains with trademarks in it?
If those other people jump off a bridge, are you going to do it too? Those who decide to register these domains may not know the consequences of doing so and will find out over time what might happen. OR, it is possible these people are already aware of the consequences and are comfortable with the possibility of being caught.

But just be warned, this is an at your own risk type of thing and continuing to register these names will only promote a bad reputation for all the domainers who are playing by the rules.





The information in this post reflects the opinions of a NamePros member and is not to be considered actual legal advice.
All registered trademarks in this post are the property of their respective owners.
 
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What if you just park a domain instead of developing a site and later on someone else trademark it?

You may succeed if you had no knowledge of the mark being already used, though unregistered. The knowledge can be presumed based upon your location and the location of the Trademark owner and any other evidence available during the UDRP proceedings !
 
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What if you just park a domain instead of developing a site and later on someone else trademark it?
I have had this happen they do it so you don't sell to others just jack up the price if they spent the money on trade mark they will sooner or later drop it or cave in. Reality is your the intellectual owner they are trying to lift it.
 
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That is like Apple. If you want to register a domain with Apple in it to sell the apple fruit, nobody is going to say boo to you. But if you start a site with Apple in it and then start selling software or computers, then there is the chance your attempting to confuse the consumers into thinking you are actually Apple who is selling computers and iphones, etc.
If I parked my apple site with ads relating to music, I assume that breaks trademark?

2) Target (as an example), trademarked dictionary name, they sell anything from groceries to clothes to televisions. Does that mean their trademark covers almost all commerce?
 
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I registered microsoftsupport.co.uk what do you all think? It has huge exact search

Definite cybersquat.

I'd throw that baby back into the domain name ocean.
 
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I have bought a domain from godaddy, kamasutracrazy.com
will the kamasutra word in it be an infringement to the trademark thing??
Iam willing to sell the domain instead of developing it
plz put some light on it
 
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You okay on the kama sutra.
Though the domain to me is useless.
 
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How and when did kama sutra get trademarked next steamed rice and kungfu will be trademarked by a westerner.
 
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hi, am a newbie, i checked the trademark for 'lastsold' and found out that 'last 10 sold' existed- the status is 'dead' because it was cancelled in 2013. is my domain, 'lastsold' ok?
 
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hi, am a newbie, i checked the trademark for 'lastsold' and found out that 'last 10 sold' existed- the status is 'dead' because it was cancelled in 2013. is my domain, 'lastsold' ok?
Seems a great domain.
 
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I thought the term 'domain name' is generic? I checked it up with uspto.gov and got 77 entries with 'domain name +words '. can one then say 'domain name' is trademarked and cannot be used by every other person? i'm confused on this term.
 
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I had KindleStore.co.uk
Then I got a 200 page letter from Amazon's legal team in the UK who bought it rather than take me to court.
I'm sitting on a big one at the moment, being new & naive. I am seriously thinking of approaching the company to tell them I have it but I have also noticed legal firms using the word in their domain names trying to get work to pursue for damages as it is a medical treatment.
So not sure what to do, if a registered law firm is using it they must be aware.
Any advice would be helpful.
Just been reading about newbie mistakes, sounded like someone familiar, but good advice.
Many thanks.
 
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There are resources throughout this section of the forum where you can learn about trademarks. If you're going to buy and sell domains as a business, its something you need to understand. At least the basics. Read. Learn.

Until you have a good understanding of:
  • The difference between a tm and a copyright (because I've seen people on NP who haven't a clue)
  • How trademarks are granted and what purpose they serve
  • How to look up a trademark
  • How to read and understand the records returned when you do a trademark search, including how to look at various details and accompanying documentation
  • What types of trademarks there are
  • What "Live" or "Dead" means on a tm listing
  • Some understanding of arbitrary, fanciful, suggestive, descriptive marks.
  • What makes a "dictionary word" generic and when is it not generic (and why)
  • Why if a trademark has been registed for a dictionary word or phrase, legally it is NOT generic for the way it is being used.
  • What "infringing" is
  • What "dilution" is
  • What "tarnishing" is
  • What is a common law trademark
  • What is a UDRP and what things have to be proven in order for the complainant to win.
  • Why companies who have a trademark go after people who infringe on it
  • And for good measure, browse through the Lanham Act
  • Anything else that may pertain to trademarks in your country.
... until then, stay away from registering other peoples' trademarks. Simple!

Don't copy what you perceive "someone else" as doing unless you understand why and what risks they're taking (if any)
 
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As indicated already in this thread, trademarks are categorized by classes. ABBAfund.org is not an infringement because ABBAfund has nothing to do with music for which the trademark has been registered. ABBA has more than one meaning. You could register ABBACars.com if you wanted for example and it would not be a violation since you are operating a dealership. It is only when you register a domain with abba in it to then go and profit off that name selling ABBA music CDs, etc. Part of a trademark suite comes the point of proving actual confusion between your site and an actual brand.

That is like Apple. If you want to register a domain with Apple in it to sell the apple fruit, nobody is going to say boo to you. But if you start a site with Apple in it and then start selling software or computers, then there is the chance your attempting to confuse the consumers into thinking you are actually Apple who is selling computers and iphones, etc.

Also posting a trademark in a thread here on the forum would not be an issue either since NamePros is a domaining forum and we are not selling ABBA music cds. But it is kind courtesy to recognize their trademark where it is due to remind others about it being an actual trademark. Also remember ABBA has different types of trademarks. It is not just a trademark for the music group, but is also trademarked in other classes. For example ABBA Furniture is a registered trademark for selling outdoor patio furniture. That is in no way confusing with the music group so it is absolutely fine. I hope this clears some things up for you Brian.



The information in this post reflects the opinions of a NamePros member and is not to be considered actual legal advice.

Thanks this thread has helped me out a lot. I was a tad worried about TM issues with a few of mine but I think I'm okay.
 
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I got letter from smiley.com company to ask me to stop using domain freesmileyfaces.com because my domain has their trademark word “smiley”. What you guys think about this case?
 
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I got letter from smiley.com company to ask me to stop using domain freesmileyfaces.com because my domain has their trademark word “smiley”. What you guys think about this case?

Nice try? What part of their business is free. I bet they just want your hard earned traffic. Unlawful claim imo.
 
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I did some research and found out they fought with Walmart about Walmart using the smiley face in their commercials.
 
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I did some research and found out they fought with Walmart about Walmart using the smiley face in their commercials.

I'd imagine you saw the same article I read, but this is all that matters. "Loufrani fought with Walmart for years, but the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board eventually sided with Walmart." from a CNN money article.

I googled whether or not you can trademark a name and here is the short response "Maybe. Common words and phrases can be trademarked if the person or company seeking the trademark can demonstrate that the phrase has acquired a distinctive secondary meaning apart from its original meaning. That secondary meaning must be one that identifies the phrase with a particular good or service"

I'm not an expert on trademarks but I have done reading on subject. Just to cover my own bum, you should seek legal advice. But if I were in your shoes I would ignore it. If you do more digging on "smiley" and smiley faces they have existed since 2500BC. I think that would be on your side and help you out as well. The only area I think you might run into trouble is if you were copying his products/faces exactly.
 
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Every newbie need to read this thread fully. This is a very very informative thread about issues in registering a trademark domain. Many peoples were shared their views and insights in details. Thanks, all of you who contributed to this thread. (y)
 
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Hi, I'm new and want to register domains for sale.
1. You say that if I, for example, register a domain with the word apple, but I don't sell phones and computers and sell apples, I won't have a problem. But I only register the domains to sell them, I don't use them, and there is nothing on them. In that case, can I have a problem, or will it be up to the person after buying it, then what will it sell in it and what will it use for it?

2. If I use words by combining them like newhome.com, gaminglaptop.com newphones.com and the like. Can I accidentally infringe on a copyright or trademark. Words like phone, laptop and the like are common words and I don't know how to make sure one of the words or all does not match any brand or infringe any copyright?

3. If there is a domain named newhome.com and I register newhomes.com or there is a domain named goodnews.com and I register newsgood.com will there be a problem?
I don't want to steal domains or abuse brands like apple or microsoft, just by accident I may have registered a domain similar to another or trademark with common words like newhome, newphone, newphones, gaminglaptop and more


So I ask here not to break the law. I want everything to be legal. Thank you all ! :xf.smile:
 
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Another part I need to Learn in domain industry to avoid getting into any trouble . Thanks for the information.
 
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Hello

What about LLL domains? Most of them are trademarked
 
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Hello

What about LLL domains? Most of them are trademarked
What does each trademark cover? It certainly doesn't cover every industry.
 
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trade mark name

I am a newbie and new here as well.
Is it illegal to register a domain name such as ask4ipad.com?
Please, enlighten me the more.
 
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Owning the domain in hopes for a buyer is NOT fair use. So many respondents respond with, "it's a popular phrase and is an investment for later resale or development." - No

Hi DomainVP,
not being polemic, just trying to understand.
I found this UDRP finding which seems - I could be wrong - to contradict your statement.


"The Respondent further highlights that it never used the disputed domain names for anything to do with the Complainants’ products ... and has in no way attempted to trade on the Complainants’ reputation, has never attempted to pass itself off as the Complainants, nor has it ever used the disputed domain names to divert consumers to competitive offerings of similar goods or services in which the Complainants collectively trade.

Moreover, the Complainants’ assertion that the disputed domain names are registered in bad faith, is essentially based only on the fact that Respondent is today offering the disputed domain names for sale.

However, the Complainants made no allegation and provided no proof that the Respondent ever offered to sell either disputed domain name to any Complainant and there is no element from which the Panel could infer that the Respondent registered the disputed domain names with the intention to sell them to the Complainant or trade off their trademark rights.
Previous panels have found that aggregating and holding domain names (usually for resale) consisting of acronyms, dictionary words, or common phrases can be bona fide and is not per se illegitimate under the UDRP."


WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center, Case No. D2020-3416, April 6, 2021
wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2020-3416



... and then, from a presentation given at the WIPO Workshop in Geneva on October 12, 2022:

"While domain name investing may not be a prestigious business, it is a legitimate business and offers a valuable service.
In some ways, you could view domain name investors as functioning either as scrap dealers - - or as high-end antique stores.
We bring liquidity to an otherwise illiquid market. We are ready buyers when a domain owner wants a quick sale. We offer buyers a wide selection of readily available domain names at variety of price points, when it would be very difficult for a buyer to assemble such a selection on their own."

Smells like Cybersquatting? How the UDRP “Smell Test” Can Go Awry
circleid.com/posts/20221026-smells-like-cybersquatting-how-the-udrp-smell-test-can-go-awry



In short, it seems to me that owning a domain - and putting it on sale - in hopes for a buyer is legitimate business i.e. fair use.
 
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Ok, I see now that of the two sections that I quoted in my post above, only the 1st one referred to the fair use of a TM-domain by a domainer.
So let's forget the 2nd quote.


Just to be clear
in my previous post I was referring to this statement:

If you own a generic domain ... and you have a fair use right to ownership ... then you are okay and should be able to defeat any WIPO/UDRP.
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Owning the domain in hopes for a buyer is NOT fair use.
So many respondents respond with, "it's a popular phrase and is an investment for later resale or development." - No

In other words:
If you own a vocabulary terms domain which represents a TM, selling it is in principle unfair use,
even if there is no website attached to it, you didn't target the TM owner and through the sale the interests of the TM owner didn't get damaged.


The 1st section that I quoted seem to point to the opposite assumption: if you own a vocabulary terms domain representing a TM, selling it is in principle fair use.
The sale of that domain represents unfair use if you target the TM owner or if you knew/could know that through that sale the interests of the TM owner can't but get damaged.
 
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