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In my opinion, there are thousands of business, in hundreds of spaces, that would hugely benefit from brands built on a dot-VIP domain name.

- There are 1.2 billion indexed items on Google with "VIP"
- Areas such as travel, events, music, fashion, and personal care are ripe for using a dot-VIP domain name
- China is going to massively embrace quality dot-VIP domain names (see the great presentation by Simon Cousins posted on the Allegravita site)

Thoughts?
 
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Whole VIP extension comes out as mispell of course. Its very cool word,but Vip at the right side does not work..
Cars.VIP makes no sense VIPCars makes it right spelling. This is one of big issues with new gtld. They usually come out as mispells and incorrect forms of english. Homes.VIP makes no sense. VIPHomes is 100 times better. extension like WEB works much better. Car.Web, Home.Web makes sense. This is why I think even if new gtld have a chance, vip extension is drawing completely dead.


Instead these examples can make sense in an other way:

Literally: CARS dot VIP

Figuratively: CARS for VIP



Ditto

HOMES dot VIP

HOMES for VIP
 
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But homes for vip makes no sense at all... the extension just does not fit with many things.
 
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Instead these examples can make sense in an other way:

Literally: CARS dot VIP

Figuratively: CARS for VIP

Ditto

HOMES dot VIP

HOMES for VIP


Exactly. There's zero doubt that 99% of people (who are familiar with the english language) will instantly understand that a site built atop [CARS] dot-VIP is a destination for either high-end cars, or cars for people who are (or think) they're important.
 
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Can .VIP Gain Brand Traction in 2017

answer is: of course not.

Even strings with a much broader meaning struggle to gain traction. .VIP won't be popular within a year.

.vip is limited because most products or services don't offer VIP versions of their product and won't start doing so just because a new string got released.

.vip isn't that special, people believe it is because some Chinese got tricked into buying a lot of it.
 
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In my opinion, there are thousands of business, in hundreds of spaces, that would hugely benefit from brands built on a dot-VIP domain name.

- There are 1.2 billion indexed items on Google with "VIP"
- Areas such as travel, events, music, fashion, and personal care are ripe for using a dot-VIP domain name
- China is going to massively embrace quality dot-VIP domain names (see the great presentation by Simon Cousins posted on the Allegravita site)

Thoughts?

Perhaps, but most will be looking to get one for a reg fee. Otherwise most of business will hunt for .com or ccTLD speaking worldwide if they shall spend bigger bucks for a primary business domain IMO.
 
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@dordomai Whether .VIP will be popular within a year (or so) will entirely depend on whether or not (quality) sites are launched, which leverage the extension. I plan to launch at least one in 2017, and would be pretty surprised if there aren't hundreds of other entrepreneurs who already have similar plans in the works.

Dot-VIP's success will have nothing to do with whether or not companies '...offer VIP versions of their product...." There are hundreds of spaces that are intrinsically conducive to "VIP" branding/association - and there's no need to put together a list because we all already know what those spaces are.

But, in addition, there are generic categories that will also work very well with a dot-VIP extension. One example would be SHAVING.VIP (and SHAVE.VIP). I own both of those, and in light of the recent explosion of interest in that vertical it's not a stretch to imagine success for a business to differentiate itself in the shaving space by offering high(er) end products - versus much of the rest of the players who are trying to outdo each other with cheaper alternatives to the big brands, like Gillette and Schick.

So my point is that you don't have to be limited to selling luxury products in conjunction with a brand built atop a dot-VIP extension.
 
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Better TLDs are still struggling. The problem is not whether there are developed sites, the problem is critical mass. This TLD, like .top, is heavily Chinese. So I wouldn't use it unless I am Chinese or trying to reach a Chinese audience. Still, I wouldn't treat it as an investment.
 
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@dordomai Whether .VIP will be popular within a year (or so) will entirely depend on whether or not (quality) sites are launched, which leverage the extension. I plan to launch at least one in 2017, and would be pretty surprised if there aren't hundreds of other entrepreneurs who already have similar plans in the works.

Dot-VIP's success will have nothing to do with whether or not companies '...offer VIP versions of their product...." There are hundreds of spaces that are intrinsically conducive to "VIP" branding/association - and there's no need to put together a list because we all already know what those spaces are.

But, in addition, there are generic categories that will also work very well with a dot-VIP extension. One example would be SHAVING.VIP (and SHAVE.VIP). I own both of those, and in light of the recent explosion of interest in that vertical it's not a stretch to imagine success for a business to differentiate itself in the shaving space by offering high(er) end products - versus much of the rest of the players who are trying to outdo each other with cheaper alternatives to the big brands, like Gillette and Schick.

So my point is that you don't have to be limited to selling luxury products in conjunction with a brand built atop a dot-VIP extension.
I agree 100% with this :)
 
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Unless there is a reason why .vip is more special than .online for example (which does not produce stellar sales so far it seems, at least for domainers) I don't see why this should be too successful.

I think people have been brainwashed by MMX hype and Chinese buyouts(which always fail see: .in, .pw, 6N, Chips, NNLL, 5L, .ws ect.)
 
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Better TLDs are still struggling. The problem is not whether there are developed sites, the problem is critical mass. This TLD, like .top, is heavily Chinese. So I wouldn't use it unless I am Chinese or trying to reach a Chinese audience. Still, I wouldn't treat it as an investment.

Frankly, I would never compare dot-VIP to dot-TOP.

I don't even get why anyone would waste a penny on a dot-TOP name. Just my opinion, but what value does dot-TOP bring to the minds of an online consumer from a branding perspective?

Case-in-point using some killer dictionary words: PROPERTY.TOP - what the heck does that mean, or even imply? CAR.TOP - does that refer to the roof of the car? TRAVEL.TOP - does that mean 'this destination site will help you book a mountain climbing tour' ?

And if you are referring to dot-TOP when you talk about "better TLDs...struggling," with all due respect I would laugh at that comparison.
 
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@dordomai - 99.9% of people does not know about .VIP at the moment, it is only 4 months old TLD..still everybody who will do research will see that all good English keywords are long time taken..most of them were regged in first few hours of GA. There are lot of people who instantly recognized opportunity.

.VIP has very good chance to be massively adopted by western end users, it is exactly because it makes lot of sense and people speaking different languages immediately recognize this acronym.

Chinese buyouts are also there, and in majority now, no doubts about it! But they are interested in their stuff (short domains and pinyin keywords), they have good reasons for it too, as was explained on several places on this forum.

Anyway, I think that this debate - about whether to invest in .VIP or not - is now quite theoretical..the largest chunk of opportunity passed 4 months ago. Now you can still make some registrations, but not for category killers any more. I assume if somebody was lucky enough to register something like Hotels.Vip, they will not let it go next year just to save 20-30 bucks on renewal, because they are reading on this forum that registries will fail :)
 
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Frankly, I would never compare dot-VIP to dot-TOP.
Both are mostly used in China, this is what I meant. China is the market.

And if you are referring to dot-TOP when you talk about "better TLDs...struggling," with all due respect I would laugh at that comparison.
No, I was thinking about TLDs like for example .pro or .online. They will fit with more keywords than .vip. But even those TLDs are still bad imo.

@dordomai - 99.9% of people does not know about .VIP at the moment, it is only 4 months old TLD..
99.9% of people still do not know about 15-year old TLDs. Just saying :) With hundreds of new strings now available, no reason why .vip would be better known than others.

.VIP has very good chance to be massively adopted by western end users, it is exactly because it makes lot of sense and people speaking different languages immediately recognize this acronym.
Nope. And the problem is not the semantic relevance. Plenty of TLDs with universal meaning are not being successful.

There is one thing that is important to understand: China is not a real free market, that is true also when it comes to domain names. The Chinese government, like everybody knows, exercises a tight control on the Chinese Internet through censorship, an army of online policemen/snitches and the GFW (Great Firewall).
They also push for adoption of certain TLDs designated as approved for local use. That's the reason why certain TLDs like .top or .ren get an artificial boost in China. And even if locals are buying handregs, that doesn't mean they will happily pay aftermarket price.

The bottom line is that China is a specific market with peculiar (political) conditions. My advice is to tread carefully if you don't know the local conditions well. Actually my advice is to stick to your comfort zone, and don't fall for the hype.
 
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I agree with what is stated in previous post about China. But when thinking about future and value of .VIP, I honestly do not care about China and Chinese market at all (it is not important for me, because I do not invest in pinyin keywords/short domains). I care about semantic relevance of acronym VIP in western culture, and firmly believe it will make great sense for many businesses out there (once they will learn that something like .VIP exists, which is not the case at the present time).

There are not plenty of gTLDs with universal meaning, not at all : basically there are only 2 now : .ONLINE and .VIP. This is when we define universal meaning as following: that English speaking end user, German speaking end user, Spain, French , Portuguese, etc can instantly recognize what this new gTLD means. This is case both for .VIP and .ONLINE. It is not the case for the rest of new gTLDs, like .HORSE, .BEST, .REN, .WANG, .TOP, .SPACE, etc...as end users who does not speak English will not recognize those. So when considering around 1000 new gTLDs at the moment, only 2 of them has "universal meaning" if we define it as above.

When .WEB and .BLOG will enter the new gTLDs space, they also can be considered to have universal meaning, as many non English speaking end users know what is WEB and BLOG. So there will be then 4 universal meaning extensions, but not "plenty".

I assume because of semantic meaning for non English speakers, .ONLINE, .VIP, .WEB and .BLOG can and will directly compete with ccTLDs in upcoming years, while the rest of new gTLDs can compete only with .COM and .NET (and will have almost no impact whatsoever at ccTLDs).
 
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I agree with what is stated in previous post about China. But when thinking about future and value of .VIP, I honestly do not care about China and Chinese market at all (it is not important for me, because I do not invest in pinyin keywords/short domains). I care about semantic relevance of acronym VIP in western culture, and firmly believe it will make great sense for many businesses out there (once they will learn that something like .VIP exists, which is not the case at the present time).

There are not plenty of gTLDs with universal meaning, not at all : basically there are only 2 now : .ONLINE and .VIP. This is when we define universal meaning as following: that English speaking end user, German speaking end user, Spain, French , Portuguese, etc can instantly recognize what this new gTLD means. This is case both for .VIP and .ONLINE. It is not the case for the rest of new gTLDs, like .HORSE, .BEST, .REN, .WANG, .TOP, .SPACE, etc...as end users who does not speak English will not recognize those. So when considering around 1000 new gTLDs at the moment, only 2 of them has "universal meaning" if we define it as above.

I could not have said this better. Right on the money!
 
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I assume because of semantic meaning for non English speakers, .ONLINE, .VIP, .WEB and .BLOG can and will directly compete with ccTLDs in upcoming years, while the rest of new gTLDs can compete only with .COM and .NET (and will have almost no impact whatsoever at ccTLDs)

VIP is niche and limited and will never be able to do what .Online, .web or .blog can do. I don't think it can compete in any way with ccTLDs or .Com, .Net.

Namebio shows 255 sales with vip, 2500+ containing online for example, 2000 for web and 1700 sales with shop, 1200 for news, 469 for space and 110 for dollar. It's somewhere between space and dollar.

There are much stronger TLDs than this one.

.info is probably understood by most people outside the US. Like is .website.

A niche within a local market means low demand and low demand means low sales prices.
 
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I assume because of semantic meaning for non English speakers, .ONLINE, .VIP, .WEB and .BLOG can and will directly compete with ccTLDs in upcoming years, while the rest of new gTLDs can compete only with .COM and .NET (and will have almost no impact whatsoever at ccTLDs)

.tv is a good example of a TLD that is global in the sense that everyone understands it. Despite that it is very hard to sell from what you can hear. It would say .tv is many times better than .vip 1300 sales vs. 250 sales.

Will we see tons of .tv sales in the coming year? Probably not.

A few other TLDs that could be understood by a large number of foreign language speakers:

.link
.wiki
.video
.email
.sex
 
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I don't think it is pleasing at all. The Chinese do things differently and have their own logic which is hard to understand.

why .vip?
 
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