High Traffic Name or Own SEO ..Whats Better..?

first of all, its very rare for people that type more than 3 keywords! maybe some user type forex.com, or domain.com,seo.com or xxx.com! but its very rare for people to type namepros.com :D lol!
that's why most of short domain are very expensive, cause short domain have 2 advantages, traffic type in, and easy to remember! secondly, when you buy brandable domain, for example, martinking.com and your target keywords payday loans! believe it or not, to get first page, you'll need 2 times backlink than keywords on domain(KOD)! and its hard to implement on page optimization! and the worst is, most of the time adwords CPC will be very expensive! unless you know how to trick friendly landing page!

so the best way you can choose for domain name is, if you can't get EMD, your domain should contain at least one keywords, e.g martinloan, best paydayloan or something like that, rather than martin.com and want to rank "payday loan"! but if you can get EMD domain, then you are very lucky! based on my experiences, my competitor need thousand of backlink to get first page! meanwhile, I only need 5 backlink to get firstpage , my domain are not EMD, but it contain keywords! and the extension is not COm, i.e Biz!

one last things! not many people like SEO! some ppl don't like SEO(hate it because to long)! that's why they choose EMD, to get cheap adwords CPC! and get first page in less than 24 hours! that's why some people are willing to pay short domain with high price!

but if you insist to use your name! Go a head time will tell! I could be wrong though! and last thing, I am not exprts, its just my 2 cents, so don't take my words!

Yes people don't type all key words in Google search but when we type for above example ... Day ( space ) Tra ...
Then Google automatically show 3/4 suggestions and in these suggestions most of the times Day Trading Strategies always there.
So lot of people click on that suggestion but unfortunately no any website which contain exact that name come in search result. I mean someone buy daytradingstrategies.com daytrading.com, daytradingstrategy.com like that..but search don't show that websites.

Instead it shows top 3 ...
warriortrading.com
investopedia.com
daytradingcoach.com

In Google search page above all these websites ... there are words like
Top 3 Momentum Day Trading Strategies
Day Trading Strategies for Beginners
Day Trading Strategies and Examples

These websites are having good content according to Day Trading Strategies BUT there are lot more websites which contains excellent content on this topic than these first 3 websites in search.

Q is...

Why Google don't show them in search result when they are better than these first 3?

So what should I do by which my website will be there in Google search in first 3 websites.

@Sachy555 try Google AdWords campaign, its much better than SE0 cuz SE0 is dead.

Sachy555 said:

Yes people don't type all key words in Google search but when we type for above example ... Day ( space ) Tra ...
Then Google automatically show 3/4 suggestions and in these suggestions most of the times Day Trading Strategies always there.
So lot of people click on that suggestion but unfortunately no any website which contain exact that name come in search result. I mean someone buy daytradingstrategies.com daytrading.com, daytradingstrategy.com like that..but search don't show that websites.

Instead it shows top 3 ...
warriortrading.com
investopedia.com
daytradingcoach.com

In Google search page above all these websites ... there are words like
Top 3 Momentum Day Trading Strategies
Day Trading Strategies for Beginners
Day Trading Strategies and Examples

These websites are having good content according to Day Trading Strategies BUT there are lot more websites which contains excellent content on this topic than these first 3 websites in search.

Q is...

Why Google don't show them in search result when they are better than these first 3?

So what should I do by which my website will be there in Google search in first 3 websites.

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when you have goood content it doesn't mean you have to go to first page! but when you have a lot and related backlink, then you'll go to first page!
and let's be real, Google is just bunch of code(algo,command or what so ever), google can't tell the different between the average content and the best ! if they can, I am sure Google will be a GOD! they can filter several niche! e.g health niche, payday loan, insurance and etc! i.e money keywords! but they can't doing manual inspection for all niche, but my point is GOogle can't tell the different between good content and bad content!

if you want to know for sure, check their backlink, but sometime, its hard to track the real backlink, cause most of seo's already know how to diversify backlink and make diversion! so webspam team will having hard time to track down, the real resource! of course they can for most important niche, but for one by one, and for every website, that would be pain in the a55! cause there is, billion webpages on the internet ! and its not worth from Biz POV!
and even if they can track backlink, to be honest, even for noob my self, I can change easily and reverse and rank back in serp! so that would be no end.

so if you asking does EMD OR KOD important ? yes it is, cause with EMD and KOD, your onpage will be less pain in the a55!
does emd or KOD guarantee first page ? no, unless you have decent backlink and outrank authority!

some one that would spend ten thousand or million dollar for a domain, most of the time are company! because they will use TV ads, radio , billboard and etc! and short domain are the best way to optimize their ads! and it would better 10 times, if domain name related with their niche! but if they can't find that domain, they can go for brandable domain! and since that domain already famous by ads, so it doesn't matter! from SEO and PPC!

so if you want to go with short brandable domain, its ok! but if you depend on Google, I think you should follow Google best practice!

There are many different ways Google assigns priorities to ser to each site. If only the content quality and relevance mattered, then it would be easier, you just write a bunch of high quality content daily, outsource writers to contribute articles and that's basically it (unless of course, there is high competition).

To rank for such a highly competitive keyword, you need that, plus alot more. On top of up to date, frequently added, high quality content, you need:
1. inbound links
(a good ratio of do-follow and no-follow) from relative sites in same niche
2. Outbound links to high quality sites with high authority.
3. The content not only needs to be well-written and original, but must also not be stuffed with repetitive main keywords.
4. It must not have loading time issues and also be responsive.
5. Be well categorized and have easy to find internal links to all your pages within the site.
6. Have a clean spam history. Domain age can be a bad thing....
7. Network with other webmasters to get links to your site, or contribute content, etc. Do the hard work to get inbound external links. Seo software sounds like a quick way to rank (and it is) but it's also a quick way to tank.

8. Make your site secure and get and SSL certificate to use on pages that need it.

I know I left out some stuff, but that's the gist of it. If that sounds like too much work, then, there's always AdWords and Bing ads and fb ads etc to throw $$$ at.

Also, with buying a name that has high traffic, you have to consider that the traffic is based off the previous content. When that disappears/has a major change, eventually the traffic will surely dissipate as well and you'll be stuck with the same conundrum as if you chose to start from scratch.

Yes it's rare and no depends on the phrase. I have a very profitable portfolio full of 3 keyword phrases and 4 that get very good traffic and type ins. people miss technology helps this with cellphones use dot com hotkey and if u type www.domainname into like Firefox it auto directs to dot com as well.

I would try tradenysestrategies its the best search results

your right, lol, I tried stat with it and nothing came up . hahaha

wesley sweatman said:

your right, lol, I tried stat with it and nothing came up . hahaha

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Lol I do make a lot of cash selling and parking keyword phrases. sometimes i can tell before even researching by now. lol

Sachy555 said:

Google never show any website having name like this. Even they don't show exact match.

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A couple years ago Google did a big cleanup on finance and health-related pages with the intent to clean up scammy, low quality sites. Their focus on ranking pages with established Expertise, Authority and Trust. Day Trading is not an easy vertical to rank.

(Though spammers who know what they're doing can still fudge their way into the mix at least for a while.)

My own names short and simple ..but they don't have any traffic or less traffic and I have to concentrate on SEO and buy any SEO package from reputed company.

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HelpfulTip (if you go this route): "Reputed companies" don't just sell you a package and walk away, they're accountable for their work ... and they're not cheap.

RU said:

@Sachy555 try Google AdWords campaign, its much better than SE0 cuz SE0 is dead.

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Right ... keep thinking that ... BTW, things like payday loans and high-interest loans are being banned from Adwords, as are a lot of other categories. If you're a doctor, you can't even advertise on certain medical terms without submitting proof of professional status to them.

heavy traffic...no brainer...

Traffic is what you already have...

SEO will be a gamble..may happen/may not!

anybody got a site to show what does well just with seo ?

nimtree said:

heavy traffic...no brainer...

Traffic is what you already have...

SEO will be a gamble..may happen/may not!

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what you mean?

anybody got a site to show what does well just with seo ?
guess not but plenty like to sell the dream.

seo -silly scarf=dead

hullswingerscom said:

anybody got a site to show what does well just with seo ?

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A lot of them, but there are client confidentiality issues so either take my word for it or don't. (I work with businesses from "mom and pops" to fortune 5ks.)

You'd be surprised what cleaning up on-page stuff, producing some genuine, interesting content (not just same old, same old for its own sake) and getting some decent links can do. Here's a peek at something I can share - this was a hand reg, no pre-existing traffic or links. On-page and content are solid and useful. I don't do paid search for it - no need. It ranks for well over 1000 different terms.

Google Analytics (one month) - organic search is over 80% of my traffic.


Links include HuffPo, Livestrong, TED, Wikipedia, About.com, .gov sites... that's what I mean by "decent links."

Some Amazon stats (same month) - I also have private deals with a couple of companies. No Adsense - that's just a conversion leak. I could care less about 50 cent clicks.


Bullsh*t SEO is dead, real SEO is not dead.

sorry I can't mention my site, and also I never sell seo services, but as a proof to what I said, I don't mind to give my webmaster stats. but that's it. I think you right Hulls, SEO is dead, and always dead! better to use ads,

For those that think SEO is dead, I think you don't understand what SEO is. Even making some basic changes to your website can make a dramatic difference to your organic ranking.