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Hello and Assalamo Alaikum,

First, I would like to thank Mr. Howard Neu for accepting this case and later defending it successfully the domain KITCHN.com which is one of our prime properties.

Let me tell you some background before I shall tell you about the case in detail.

In October 2015, the law firm representing Kitchn.no contacted me for the purchase of my domain and started offer from $100 up to $7,000 to which no interest was shown.

Next in June 2016, the complainant filed UDRP on our domain Kitchn.com and Mr. Howard respresented me to defend and save the valuable domain.

Today, we got the news of winning the case.

Below is the detail:

“In a 3 person panel decision, the UDRP Claim for Kitchn.com was denied at WIPO. In the case of Kitchn Norge AS v. Abdulbasit Makrani, Case No. D2016-1189, a Norwegian company that held the Norwegian trademark for KITCH’N was too limited to a specific area (Norway and Sweden) as to apply to Bad Faith on the part of the Respondent Abdulbasit Makrani. Here are some of the relevant excerpts of the decision:

The Panel notes that, at the time the disputed domain name was acquired by the Respondent, the Complainant had been trading in Norway and Sweden for some 18 years, had been the proprietor of the Norwegian trademark No. 221252 for KITCH’N for some 11 years and also appears to have been selling through the Internet for almost 2 years.

There is no evidence that the Complainant’s trademark might have been used outside Norway and Sweden and the Complainant’s website clearly targets consumers located in Norway since it is entirely in Norwegian. Moreover, a Google search for “kitchn” shows several results unrelated to the Complainant and its mark.

The records indicate that the Respondent is a professional domain name registrant and acquired the disputed domain name through an automated process immediately after the original registration lapsed. As highlighted in previous cases, the automated nature of the acquisition cannot be an excuse for turning a blind eye to trademark rights, since otherwise it would be the “perfect shield for abusive registrations”. SeeResearch In Motion Limited v. Privacy Locked LLC/Nat Collicot, WIPO Case No. D2009-0320.

However, particularly given the nature of the disputed domain name as a contraction of the dictionary term “kitchen”, the Panel finds that nothing in the case file indicates that the Respondent had ever known of the Complainant’s rights or that the Respondent registered the disputed domain name to capitalize on the Complainant’s mark.

This finding is supported by the fact that the use of the disputed domain name does not show an intention to target the Complainant or its competitors, as the links displayed on the website published at the disputed domain name are mainly related to cooking recipes and not to the Complainant’s trademark and products.

Instead, in the case at hand, there is no evidence that the Respondent might have registered the disputed domain name with the intention to sell it to the Complainant or to trade off the Complainant’s mark. Therefore, the Panel also finds that the Respondent’s refusal of the Complainant’s offer for the disputed domain name and his request of a higher sum do not amount to bad faith.

In view of the above, the Panel finds that the Complainant has failed to demonstrate that the Respondent registered and used the disputed domain name in bad faith.”

The Respondent AbdulBasit Makrani was represented in this case by the Law Office of Howard Neu, P.A.

I wanted to convey a message to all people around the world, I will try my best to defend my properties and won’t let them go easily.

Any feedback is welcome.
 
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Registration Date:

Kitchn.no= 2002
Kitchn.com= 2000

Correct me if I am wrong but what I have seen reading plenty of UDRP decisions, I have found that *most* panelists don't take the registration date into consideration and similarly it happened the same in my case as well where panelists took 2013 as new registration year from which everything actually was counted.
 
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This is exactly why RDNH needs to be addressed more often in cases that fail on all points. The lawyers of these companies can't claim they don't know the definition of "reg'd in bad faith" yet it is most often used as the primary basis for filing, with zero evidence. Zero. This case is a great example !
A new disturbing development is the China market moving toward Domain+trademark. Trademarks can be bought and sold outside the usa that don't have the same use requirements. Theoretically one could purchase a TM, internationalize it then go after the .com. The .com's that are resold are considered "new reg's" , Now vulnerable to reg'd in bad faith if resold after TM is established.

Trademark requirements are all over the map globally and IMHO a train wreck for domain investors on the horizon. Especially for the "investment grade" .com's
I would like to see the domain system REPLACE the trademark system as possession being the only factor except in cases of obvious targeting.

Thanks for taking a stand on this one as "No response" to these types of filings are on the rise.

Very well said.

Yes, RDNH should have been considered since the complainant failed to prove both points:


1. That the Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the disputed domain name; and


2. That the disputed domain name has been registered AND is being used in bad faith.

Interestingly, the complainant failed to prove that the domain was registered AND is being used in bad faith, due to which panelists didn't even consider to go through if the respondent has any rights or legitimate interests in the domain.
 
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That's strange and it's the company's loss whoever thinks that such history is attached with it. On the other hand, I am happy to hold this domain for a decade easily :D

Yes, @wwwweb made a good point out here of geo location which I completely agree with him. Also I agree with you that if it was Frank Schilling, they would have given a serious offer.

I think what @DU was talking about and what I agreed with was that you never know if it makes some companies think that there is controversy with the name. That if they buy it and they are in a similar business that the company will come after the domain again.
 
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Congrats, the Domain has massive potential, best of luck with it :)
 
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I think what @DU was talking about and what I agreed with was that you never know if it makes some companies think that there is controversy with the name. That if they buy it and they are in a similar business that the company will come after the domain again.

But that time it will be more difficult for someone to file complaint against developed site whether be it an upgrade domain or startup and get the decision in their favor!
 
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But that time it will be more difficult for someone to file complaint against developed site whether be it an upgrade domain or startup and get the decision in their favor!

Oh I think you are right the comment was more about companies not liking any potential glitches. I think the win by you shows strength in the domain. I was talking about what if the company buying is in the same niche ? You never know. Hopefully they come back with a bigger offer and you get it sold.
 
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Oh I think you are right the comment was more about companies not liking any potential glitches. I think the win by you shows strength in the domain. I was talking about what if the company buying is in the same niche ? You never know. Hopefully they come back with a bigger offer and you get it sold.

Yeah, similar niche may cause some trouble to the company who acquires the domain with such history but that can be sorted out and I personally think the trouble is less for developed sites in similar niche with both having TMs compare to domain holders having their names parked.

Not sure if they come back or not as I don't care about them. But interestingly, when they filed complaint against my domain, they had their TM LIVE at uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp but now it shows as DEAD!

Not sure what's the reason behind that...
 
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1/ Did you consider any other domain lawyer?

If so, what were their costs?

You may PM me...


2/ After Howard accepted the case, did he get you to fill in some questionnaire or did you just write down your side of the story?
 
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1/ Did you consider any other domain lawyer?

If so, what were their costs?

You may PM me...


2/ After Howard accepted the case, did he get you to fill in some questionnaire or did you just write down your side of the story?

PMed.
 
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Yes, RDNH should have been considered since the complainant failed to prove both points:

Did you even read the ruling :)

"Therefore, the Panel finds that the Complainant has proven that the disputed domain name is confusingly similar to the trademark KITCH’N in which the Complainant has established rights according to paragraph 4(a)(i) of the Policy."

Oh I think you are right the comment was more about companies not liking any potential glitches. I think the win by you shows strength in the domain. I was talking about what if the company buying is in the same niche ? You never know. Hopefully they come back with a bigger offer and you get it sold.

The WIPO shows a conflicting TM. That has to be disclosed on future sale. Whether the buyer wants that risk is debatable and it depends on their own internal strategy.

The WIPO confirms what I had said above that "KITCHN" is similar enough to a generic dictionary word to get a free pass, more or less. It's not really a brand and not generic and thus is a gray area.

Imho, the WIPO ruling is not really all that strengthening and reads, to me, as a weak support.

There may be other niches to which the name can apply but they are few and far between - design, code etc as in name.kitchen (which I like as a name) but in those cases the name becomes a brand. TheKitchn is a solid brand and the "The" goes a long way to assigning brandability and conveying purpose.

Again - not questioning OP or trying to undermine him but just stating my opinion.
 
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Did you even read the ruling :)

"Therefore, the Panel finds that the Complainant has proven that the disputed domain name is confusingly similar to the trademark KITCH’N in which the Complainant has established rights according to paragraph 4(a)(i) of the Policy."

Again - not questioning OP or trying to undermine him but just stating my opinion.

Yes, I have read that and as far as I remember, RDNH can still be found with just 1st point is established/proven.

That's perfectly alright and I always welcome anyone's opinion :)
 
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Yes, I have read that and as far as I remember, RDNH can still be found with just 1st point is established/proven.

That is true and the WIPO states that but it's usually base on frivolous grounds e.g. there is no TM, the site is clearly registered for use in good faith. There was nothing frivolous in the claim and the WIPO Clearly states that.

They own a mark and it is confusingly similar with your domain. Whether it was registered and being used in good faith is debatable (depending on our perspective - yours vs theirs :) ) and the panel found, probably rightly, to uphold your view that you didn't register in bad faith as you didn't run competing ads, or do what is listed as the usual examples of bad faith. The process worked; however, the burden of cost to defend the name is high and unfair to you. It's not right that you should be out of pocket for this. I think the 3 panel should be free and automatic. Legal fees I get - you could have defended this yourself, imho. That said, I'm not sure of your comfort here, your obvious relationships in the industry that help you out, and attachment/valuation of the name - the total risk-reward picture... and you clearly wanted low-risk and did the right thing.

This is very similar to other cases where 1 member panel was fine; however, your history being in the WIPO database is probably a red flag right now. If you continue to win it might work in your favor in the long run as your legitimate cases starts to cause complainant rethinking. It would be nicer for you if the ruling read far more favorably.

Unsolicited advice:

Bear in mind that the UDRP is a point in time challenge. You should tread carefully in future as there is no reason another UDRP can't be filed by either kitchn.no or others.

Good luck. I quite like the name.
 
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That is true and the WIPO states that but it's usually base on frivolous grounds e.g. there is no TM, the site is clearly registered for use in good faith. There was nothing frivolous in the claim and the WIPO Clearly states that.

They own a mark and it is confusingly similar with your domain. Whether it was registered and being used in good faith is debatable (depending on our perspective - yours vs theirs :) ) and the panel found, probably rightly, to uphold your view that you didn't register in bad faith as you didn't run competing ads, or do what is listed as the usual examples of bad faith. The process worked; however, the burden of cost to defend the name is high and unfair to you. It's not right that you should be out of pocket for this. I think the 3 panel should be free and automatic. Legal fees I get - you could have defended this yourself, imho. That said, I'm not sure of your comfort here, your obvious relationships in the industry that help you out, and attachment/valuation of the name - the total risk-reward picture... and you clearly wanted low-risk and did the right thing.

This is very similar to other cases where 1 member panel was fine; however, your history being in the WIPO database is probably a red flag right now. If you continue to win it might work in your favor in the long run as your legitimate cases starts to cause complainant rethinking. It would be nicer for you if the ruling read far more favorably.

Unsolicited advice:

Bear in mind that the UDRP is a point in time challenge. You should tread carefully in future as there is no reason another UDRP can't be filed by either kitchn.no or others.

Good luck. I quite like the name.

You are absolutely right and very well said.

I will continue to fight back for this and all my other domains to keep the records better, make new/old complainants to think and think more before taking any action.

About your advice, I am fully aware and ready for it..... Again... Forever... :)
 
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I agree with you, the point about the mark on the name especially. I would want to get a deal done with the Norwegian company as other potential buyers may not be interested in the history of the domain, Abdul did nothing wrong, but you know how companies are, if they can avoid the grey stuff they will.

The other point is they still have recourse and that could be much more expensive, I never believe in talking about UDRP wins and revealing info until either RDNH or you came to a deal.

I do agree with @wwwweb That geo location comes into play, they do make calculations like oh the registrant lives there ? I firmly believe if they saw Name Administration, Cayman Islands, they would have come with a stronger offer.
I'm not so clear on this. If the name is at Uniregistry but is owned by someone in the United States then it is more difficult for a complainant to win a UDRP just because Uniregistry is located in the Cayman Islands? Or does the registrant actually have to have a physical address in the Cayman Islands? Or PO box in the Cayman Islands?
 
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I'm not so clear on this. If the name is at Uniregistry but is owned by someone in the United States then it is more difficult for a complainant to win a UDRP just because Uniregistry is located in the Cayman Islands? Or does the registrant actually have to have a physical address in the Cayman Islands? Or PO box in the Cayman Islands?

I don't know Hookbox, I know Frank has said some things about it in the past, but I don't have the actual quote. Someone else mentioned that here. I was commenting on what wwwweb said that someone saw a registrant in an area where they thought they could not afford to defend, if they saw Name Administration they would have made a better offer.
 
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I'm not so clear on this. If the name is at Uniregistry but is owned by someone in the United States then it is more difficult for a complainant to win a UDRP just because Uniregistry is located in the Cayman Islands? Or does the registrant actually have to have a physical address in the Cayman Islands? Or PO box in the Cayman Islands?

The thought is that a someone with an address in GC is likely either (a) Rich (b) Connected (c) Both. Contrary to this, someone with an address in Pakistan (or other is presumed to be relatively poor. The offer could be made with that in mind. A wealthy lawyer living on a yacht will turn down an offer others can't afford to turn down.

Similarly, filing against an apparently low income registrant (not legally qualified etc.) seems imminently more winnable than someone who is (a) (b) and (c) above.

It doesn't/shouldn't impact a UDRP decision in anyway.

I don't understand the comment earlier on Uniregistry as a registrar impacting legal proceedings and the burden of proof. The UDRP is a binding agreement and compliance is required.
 
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The thought is that a someone with an address in GC is likely either (a) Rich (b) Connected (c) Both. Contrary to this, someone with an address in Pakistan (or other is presumed to be relatively poor. The offer could be made with that in mind. A wealthy lawyer living on a yacht will turn down an offer others can't afford to turn down.

Similarly, filing against an apparently low income registrant (not legally qualified etc.) seems imminently more winnable than someone who is (a) (b) and (c) above.

It doesn't/shouldn't impact a UDRP decision in anyway.

I don't understand the comment earlier on Uniregistry as a registrar impacting legal proceedings and the burden of proof. The UDRP is a binding agreement and compliance is required.

Agree it would not affect the UDRP, the question is if it would avoid the UDRP by getting someone to play above board ? Who knows, depends how bad a company wants a domain name.
 
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Agree it would not affect the UDRP, the question is if it would avoid the UDRP by getting someone to play above board ? Who knows, depends how bad a company wants a domain name.

I thought I had implied that but it wasn't clear :) By saying winnable I meant that you might just actually negotiate with a lawyer and not try to out-legalese them as you would a regular Joe.

Thanks for clarifying for me :)
 
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Complainant submitted supplemental filing of international trademark whose registration was granted on 28th June, 2016 - well after the complaint was filed against my domain!!
We requested to have finding of RDNH but that was declined as in most cases.
But interestingly, when they filed complaint against my domain, they had their TM LIVE at uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp but now it shows as DEAD!
Bear in mind that the UDRP is a point in time challenge. You should tread carefully in future as there is no reason another UDRP can't be filed by either kitchn.no or others
This is a RDNH, with bad faith clearly being displayed in the timing of their ITM filing. The complainant knows this, and has possibly been advised by their legal team to expect a RDNH complaint from you (perhaps even advised before their ITM application was initiated).

The current DEAD TM status may be an indication of their plan to re-brand the company, while distancing themselves from any bad publicity resulting from them losing their claim (and possible post lawsuits relating to the RDNH).

IMO (given the current TM status) the most cost effective solution for protecting Kitchn.com from future disputes (as well as providing further peace-of-mind to it's end-users) is to TM it, even if it's in PK, or in the US if that's possible. I think the cost for TM registrations start from as little as a couple hundred dollars.

Anyhow, I'm glad to know that all has ended well, I'm just left with a bitter taste in my mouth WRT the monetary cost for defending your ownership rights.

Thanks for sharing ;)
 
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time for them to buck up and pay now, if they want the name they have no other choice, extend renewal for 15 years and see if that gets their attention
 
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IMO (given the current TM status) the most cost effective solution for protecting Kitchn.com from future disputes (as well as providing further peace-of-mind to it's end-users) is to TM it

This might actually work if the whole TM process wasn't what it is.
 
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time for them to buck up and pay now, if they want the name they have no other choice, extend renewal for 15 years and see if that gets their attention

Max we could renew is 10 years ;)
 
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