BrandBucket Experience

@Grilled Since I'm the seller you're referring to, I'll chime in.

I feel that it's better to sometimes pay more for names that seem better rather than buy cheaply. Having a lot of domains can be good, but it won't help the sales rate if none sell because very soon renewal time will come and then the money you were trying to save by buying cheaply... will come back to haunt you. One user who bought around 40 domains from me for prices that are way higher than the average, already sold 6 or 7 of them. In June another domain that I sold for $150 here at NP sold at BB. I certainly don't have the formula to what sells. But I think buyers would be wise if they study the stats of DNBolt and the stats in the newsletters and invest accordingly.

Many BB accepted names also have a chance of selling regardless of the option to sell them there. You bought one from me lately so you know what I mean. But yeah, the market is flooded with a lot of bad names that don't have a chance of selling. I don't know if it's about the listing fee or not because BB also rejects a lot of names, but it's certainly not good for both the retail market and for BB's sellers and buyers.

Grilled said:

There is a little more to it than that.

There are plenty of bb resellers who don't subscribe to selling their domains at the sale through rate. I noticed bb acceptedShow attachment 35536for sale on NP for $XXX. Essentially, it's what we all want, but Is $XXX worth it? I've kicked myself previously for not pulling the trigger on other domains sold for $XXX by this seller when those domains sold on bb for $X,XXX a few months later.

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Brandworthy said:

They have 33K+ names and logos. A few mistakes are bound to happen.

If this is the biggest problem they have then I think they are doing very well. The true measure of a company is how they address problems, not whether problems arise.

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Wise words, Brandworthy.

Today I sent an email to BB and alerted them to the spelling errors noted in this thread. Within an hour I received a response that they had been corrected. If anyone spots any other errors please let BB know by emailing [email protected]. I think you'll find the folks there both helpful and responsive. Cheers!

Grilled said:

Define better.

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stellarname said:

I feel that it's better to sometimes pay more for names that seem better rather than buy cheaply. Having a lot of domains can be good, but it won't help the sales rate if none sell because very soon renewal time will come and then the money you were trying to save by buying cheaply... will come back to haunt you.

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stellarname said:

@Grilled Since I'm the seller you're referring to, I'll chime in.

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Can you define better margin?

I think it's in the reseller market. I once thought buying 4L bb domains was the way to go, as some investors won't buy a domain if listed with bb because of the 30 day removal rule and / or don't have bb accounts.I say the italicized to uncover an additional reseller market. 4L's have value (supply / demand) regardless of venue so it seems to be a solid investment. The same used to be said for those investing in bb domains at 2-3% suggested price. bb domains (to those who speak english) seemed to be more of a solid investment then CHIPS as bb had two tangible enduser sources + there was linguistic science behind the approval.

What am I saying? Everything, yet nothing. If BB doesn't find a buyer at $X,XXX, can you renew it and sell it for more than initial investment + listing fee + renewal elsewhere?

Why am I doing free QA for bb instead of doing things that will make me money? There very well may be a motive, there may not. Take what I say as a grain of salt. There used to be a time when @michaeljkrell took NP comments very seriously. Now (to me at least) it appears, he's more concerned about building his portfolio... Should all exclusive marketplace directors think like this? #5526

Grilled said:

Another 6L logo for a 5L domain...

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@michaeljkrell / @margotb - How about letting the domainer approve their domain for publishing? Not to sound like a broken record going back to logo's, but c'mon now, 6L logo's for 5L domains??
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It is obvious that is " wholesale loso desing "

Grilled said:

Another 6L logo for a 5L domain...

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Keith DeBoer said:

Today I sent an email to BB and alerted them to the spelling errors noted in this thread. Within an hour I received a response that they had been corrected.

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They haven't corrected Voquim

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Another 6L logo for a 5L domain...

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@michaeljkrell / @margotb - How about letting the domainer approve their domain for publishing? Not to sound like a broken record going back to logo's, but c'mon now, 6L logo's for 5L domains??
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Mistake is a mistake but they have around 35k domains so 1 or 2 mistakes of this kind is obvious. But the lesson is to make BrandBucket system more robust to avoid such mistakes.

namerav said:

But the lesson is to make BrandBucket system more robust to avoid such mistakes.

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How to achieve a more robust system?

(1) Allow option / 24 hour window for sellers to approve domain for publishing. (after logo / description is created)

(2) bb needs to stop focusing on building their own portfolio, and focusing more on the details for their customers who pay $10 listing fee's. ie tags, logo's, quality.

(3) Suggestions? [Comment below.]

@Grilled I'm not very good with definitions. But I know that two word combos that sound natural and that keywords with suffixes that sound cool sell extremely well at BB. For example, if you had to choose between:

Payvia.com ($100) and Payzogo.com ($15)

Wouldn't you pay the $100 for Payvia? I would without a blink of an eye, with or without BB acceptance. So I think that ultimately you can buy a hand reg or from closeouts or from anywhere else, but the name has to sound good enough to be a brand, have intuitive spelling and be attractive enough to get noticed within brandbucket. So for example Buvuro, Voratu, Hozux, Knowtovo and all these type of weird combinations just don't make much sense to me.

Grilled said:

How to achieve a more robust system?

(1) Allow option / 24 hour window for sellers to approve domain for publishing. (after logo / description is created)

(2) bb needs to stop focusing on building their own portfolio, and focusing more on the details for their customers who pay $10 listing fee's. ie tags, logo's, quality.

(3) Suggestions? [Comment below.]

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Well, I think BrandBucket is making good money according to their press releases and mails so their management should take a call on how they improve the system.

namerav said:

Well, I think BrandBucket is making good money according to their press releases and mails so their management should take a call on how they improve the system.

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Hmm... thinking inside the boxador :D

stellarname said:

Payvia.com ($100) and Payzogo.com ($15)

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Good points @stellarname

In reference to these, I'd say the $100 name is far better than the $15 name. Simply put, PayVia has been regged since 99, and Payzogo has never been regged before (available for reg)

How do some pay for listing fee's? They pay via free credits :x That said, this name wouldn't need a bb tag to sell in the reseller market (NP, NJ, Flippa, GD, etc)

The question becomes, what is the bb tag worth?

OK, let's not say Payvia because it's naturally an old domain. Let's say Payeron. That's a name that I hand regged last year and actually sold for very cheap at the time. It wasn't accepted to BB, by the way. But let's compare Payeron to Payzogo:

Payeron= Payer + On (on can be the actual word 'on' or short for 'online')
Payzogo= Pay + random sufffix

Payeron probably isn't a $100 name in the retail market. But I think it could be worth a $40-$50 because it sounds like a brand much more than payzogo does. This specific example isn't perfect because Payeron wasn't accepted to BB, but I think it demonstrates how some names just sound better than others.

stellarname said:

Payeron probably isn't a $100 name in the retail market. But I think it could be worth a $40-$50 because it sounds like a brand much more than payzogo does.

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I see your point, but not with the payer/on domain. I personally don't see it as a $40/$50 reseller domain, and think you did good by selling you bb reject for cheap. I guess the real measure of that is if the buyer is able to sell it for more than what he paid and/or wait to see if they renew it or see if they lose money on that investment. Not to say it was a bad investment, as maybe they would have made more than initial investment if renewed and held longer.

I actually kinda regret selling it. I landed two $XXXX sales last week and this week for BB rejects. That's a name I would have probably kept now. But you know, each person has their own instincts about these things.

Grilled said:

I see your point, but not with the payer/on domain. I personally don't see it as a $40/$50 reseller domain, and think you did good by selling you bb reject for cheap. I guess the real measure of that is if the buyer is able to sell it for more than what he paid and/or wait to see if they renew it or see if they lose money on that investment. Not to say it was a bad investment, as maybe they would have made more than initial investment if renewed and held longer.

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stellarname said:

I actually kinda regret selling it. I landed two $XXXX sales last week and this week for BB rejects. That's a name I would have probably kept now. But you know, each person has their own instincts about these things.

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Did the offers come through landing pages?

Also, does anyone know how the free BB credits work for sharing your BB page? I shared my page on twitter and got 1 free credit, but then when I tried to share my page on fb, pinterest and google+, I got nothing.

Candace Cooke said:

Did the offers come through landing pages?

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One from an Efty landing page and one from Godaddy auctions.

Candace Cooke said:

Also, does anyone know how the free BB credits work for sharing your BB page? I shared my page on twitter and got 1 free credit, but then when I tried to share my page on fb, pinterest and google+, I got nothing.

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Okay, the post quoted may seem random. It looks like I got 1 free credit for sharing my BB page. I'm not sure that usually happens.

Grilled said:

They haven't corrected Voquim
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Well I see it is fixed.

Abdullah Abdullah said:

Well I see it is fixed.

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Cool. They must have fixed it. What else do you see?

IMO, we absolutely need the option to add ourselves 2-3 keywords for our names. Visibility and therefore the chance to sell depends on it. People who get to write their own keywords or can control the process enjoy a huge advantage.

Nerevar said:

IMO, we absolutely need the option to add ourselves 2-3 keywords for our names. Visibility and therefore the chance to sell depends on it. People who get to write their own keywords or can control the process enjoy a huge advantage.

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Agree 100%!

Grilled said:

Cool. They must have fixed it. What else do you see?

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....lots of names

Nerevar said:

IMO, we absolutely need the option to add ourselves 2-3 keywords for our names. Visibility and therefore the chance to sell depends on it. People who get to write their own keywords or can control the process enjoy a huge advantage.

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Agree

I see a new trend in BB, could you please confirm if you see the same? My newly-published names, when searched by keyword, do not appear now in the upper left (where new names used to appear), but go somewhere in the middle of the group. So there are a couple of dozen names in each keyword group that are stuck to be "always fist" for the buyer to see, and no other new name can ever bring them lower?

Nerevar said:

I see a new trend in BB, could you please confirm if you see the same? My newly-published names, when searched by keyword, do not appear now in the upper left (where new names used to appear), but go somewhere in the middle of the group. So there are a couple of dozen names in each keyword group that are stuck to be "always fist" for the buyer to see, and no other new name can ever bring them lower?

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Could it be a popular keyword, hence lots of names and some newer than yours? I tried some of mine with rare keywords and they appear in the first line, few are first. They are published within last 7 days.