Any luck with Pheenix?

Qubelycom · Jan 23, 2016

Has anyone had any luck with Pheenix over the last like 2 months?

I have just came back to drop catching after a couple of months off and Pheenix seems to be even worse than before, I mean I back ordered several domains a day ago and was able to hand register 1 of them and the rest went to the other services.

dnrabbit · Jan 24, 2016

Now a days, Pheenix is only good with .NET and .CC names, I've found.

AbdulBasit.com · Jan 24, 2016

Pheenix not as competitive as it was some months back specially for .com domains. Now good for .cc but since DropCatch started catching .cc domains, this has made tough for Pheenix for this extension as well!

Qubelycom · Jan 24, 2016

Roger that, thanks for the reply's.

I think I will start looking for a new service to use and start transferring my domains from Pheenix.

Domain Lead Finder · Feb 5, 2016

Its like on some days their service just does not work at all.

Hypersot · Apr 27, 2016

It's been now some time that pheenix is incapable of catching mediocre+ .com&.nets .. at least for me.

Just curious,
has anyone managed to get even a single decent .com or .net during the last 30 days or so?

I even had backorderzone(!) catching a domain that Pheenix couldn't catch... that would *never* happen in the past.

dordomai · Apr 27, 2016

I made a backorderzone backorder recently. Then they email me that they missed the domain. I checked who owns it and it is available so I hand register it.

I backorder a domain with Dynadot and someone with their API grabs it instead.

The smaller backorder services are acting funny in the past months.

cfcoo · Apr 28, 2016

That's what I thought

bazabizo · Apr 28, 2016

Pheenix is great for domains you wont want to pay the $59 for catching, if there is any bid on Dropcatch SN or NJ, then Pheenix wont catch it. in other words, its a safer hub than hand regging a name on the drop. Got 200 names like that through them!

Hypersot · Apr 28, 2016

bazabizo said:
Pheenix is great for domains you wont want to pay the $59 for catching, if there is any bid on Dropcatch SN or NJ, then Pheenix wont catch it. in other words, its a safer hub than hand regging a name on the drop. Got 200 names like that through them!

so, you do get .coms/.nets with them that are at least decent? ...so it's me then, that's what I wanted to know 'cause the names I set for BO through pheenix are lower than mediocre and they still don't get them

thanks for letting us know

dname · Apr 28, 2016

For me, Pheenix doesn't work at all currently. My backorders won't get caught and instead somebody hand-regs them.

golan · Apr 28, 2016

I'd posted in a similar thread like this a couple months ago, that Pheenix was not able to catch anything for me for a long time. But right after that post it started getting better, and they caught quite a few names for me. Well sometimes even Dynadot beats them and sometimes even catching software does, but still they are not so bad.

Hypersot · Apr 28, 2016

golan said:
...and sometimes even catching software does...

that shouldn't happen. Their system works on another level, one which a local catcher should never be able to reach.

If what you say really has happened you should have contacted them and made an issue about it.
We're paying 3 times the regfee money for a *slim* chance to compete with the 'real' catchers (namejet, dropcatch, etc.) not to compete with the local pieces of software.

dordomai · Apr 29, 2016

Hypersot said:
that shouldn't happen. Their system works on another level, one which a local catcher should never be able to reach.

If what you say really has happened you should have contacted them and made an issue about it.
We're paying 3 times the regfee money for a *slim* chance to compete with the 'real' catchers (namejet, dropcatch, etc.) not to compete with the local pieces of software.

I think there is a reason for that. They have far more connections than APIs could ever have. If they were just hammering the server they would almost always win.

They are not just doing that. They have algorithms that try to guess the exact time the domain will drop so that they don't need to make useless requests and have more firepower available.

The problem with this is that these algos are not 100% reliable. They do fail sometimes. In that case they are just not guessing it right and stop making requests when they can't register a domain.

If no one else wants the domain you can handreg it then.

This will never work with names that are popular though or have a major backorder service going after them.

At least that is my theory.

UAdomainer · Apr 30, 2016

dordomai said:
I think there is a reason for that. They have far more connections than APIs could ever have. If they were just hammering the server they would almost always win.

They are not just doing that. They have algorithms that try to guess the exact time the domain will drop so that they don't need to make useless requests and have more firepower available.

The problem with this is that these algos are not 100% reliable. They do fail sometimes. In that case they are just not guessing it right and stop making requests when they can't register a domain.

If no one else wants the domain you can handreg it then.

This will never work with names that are popular though or have a major backorder service going after them.

At least that is my theory.

I confirm. I was able to handreg one of the domains that I had backordered at pheenix.

Hypersot · Apr 30, 2016

Just to be sure I understand,
when you people say 'backorder', you mean the 'normal' backorder (ie. the gold) or the 'best value'?

I'm talking about the 'gold' btw.

golan · May 1, 2016

Hypersot said:
Just to be sure I understand,
when you people say 'backorder', you mean the 'normal' backorder (ie. the gold) or the 'best value'?

I'm talking about the 'gold' btw.

I meant gold.

golan · May 1, 2016

Just yesterday again DD backorder beat Pheenix.

Hypersot · May 1, 2016

golan said:
Just yesterday again DD backorder beat Pheenix.

if it was again 'gold' then something is definitely wrong.
Pheenix had a very strong BO system in the past, sad to see it's not the case anymore :/

ApeXX · May 26, 2016

Just wanted to mention that I previously used Pheenix to BO 100+ names last year.

I hadn't used them much this year so I figured I'd give them a shot. Backordered 5 low-competition domain names and this was the result:

3 caught Drop Catch
2 had no updated WhoIs info

I go to GoDaddy and find out that... they're available to hand register. Wow, Pheenix has gotten really bad. I registered both at GoDaddy to save $ and will no longer use Pheenix for any back ordering.

usernamex · May 26, 2016

dordomai said:
The problem with this is that these algos are not 100% reliable. They do fail sometimes. In that case they are just not guessing it right and stop making requests when they can't register a domain. . . .At least that is my theory.

I have another additional theory, I have been thinking about this since I read this thread. I have DC so I watch who catches what on a daily basis. I think it is possible that Pheenix only has so much power and they focus on the names that have the most backorders, and/or where they can make the most money, especially if they get names that end up going for auction. KIM I only check around 500 names per day so my sample size is skewed

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