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Sorry in advance, Kevin. Should have had your people leave me alone.

Flippa has been the subject of much controversy over the last 6 months. Speculative talk has ranged from shill bidding to bloated sales reports. Most of the accusations are pure garbage but the company is sketchy as hell.

While you might be thinking that I’m bitter because I haven’t any luck there, you should know that I moved $75,000 of domains in 6 months. At one point, I was the first to go to bat for them all because I try to show some loyalty when someone is taking care of me.

However, I recently had my Super Seller status revoked “due to comments made towards other users.” In fact, this is due to my response to the auction where an individual claimed to have an offer on a 3 day old domain of 10,000 bitcoins — that’s $2,500,000. Apparently, calling out a scammer is grounds for retaliation from the business.

I suppose this is because Flippa values net revenue more than customer satisfaction.

Now that you know my motivation I will move on and share a little bit of insider information.

If you’re paying full price for listing fees and upgrades you have been scammed.

They have gone on the defensive in the past by saying that they “subsidize” upgrades for their top sellers. Subsidize is a cute word for giveaway.

I received somewhere between $3,000 to $5,000 in “subsidies” — as a private seller — over 6 months. At one point, I received $2,000 in credits at one time.

Now I won’t lie, sometimes I had to pay for listings. When I did, I still got hooked up. For every upgrade or listing I purchased I received 2 free.

So when I paid, which was rare, I paid 1/3 of what you’ve been paying. I’m sure you now see why some people make a killing off their platform while others have lost hundreds of dollars per listing.

Oh you thought Editor’s choice was for good domains? Nah. It has been a filter for friends of Flippa.

When I sold on Flippa’s platform, I was given Editor’s Choice for nearly all of my domains. Why? Because I asked.

I know some of you noticed that only 3-5 people showed up when visiting that page. Some might not care but others might understand the value of this.

Domains at Flippa sell for much more when given the Editor’s Choice designation.

Oh so you suspect shilling? I’ve known many users who have shilled their way to a profit. It doesn’t benefit Flippa to eliminate shilling. High sales mean higher success fees.

Simple as that.

Straight up scamming? Yep.

I’ve reported verifiable scams to customer support and I didn’t hear back until after the auction closed. They stated that it was now the buyer’s responsibility to report the sale if something fishy occurred.

Hmmmm.

Would the buyer receive a refund? No. Would the seller be suspended? Yes. Would Flippa still profit? Damn right.

At the end of the day, you can choose to use their platform of boycott them.

I will choose the latter.

P.S.

Have you been curious about what Flippa has been doing?

They are working on adding small business to their platform.

Yeah. Dump money into selling physical business without verifying any of their claims.

That should work. Everyone is honest. Right?
 
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The seller of the BrandBucket domains portfolio is @JudgeMind here if you guys didn't know... He looked very legit to me but if you think he's a "shady scammer" you can discuss it with him directly since he's there too.

I'm well aware. I blocked his ass on all of the forums and Skype when I realized what he was.
 
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I'm well aware. I blocked his ass on all of the forums and Skype when I realized what he was.
For me he always looked legit but you're talking about him like he did terrible things, care to share more?
 
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I'm having some difficulty following this, as I thought part of the Brandbucket TOS was that names listed on BB couldn't be listed anywhere else at the same time??
How can dozens of domainers sell their brand bucket listed domains here on namepros if it is against their TOS? They have the option to transfer domains to other brand bucket sellers for this reason. I will contact flippa directly to discuss everything. Bottom line is the winner of this auction will receive every name that is listed. The brand bucket listings will first be transferred to the winners brand bucket seller acct to ensure everything is operating within their TOS then the domains will be transferred to the winners registrar accounts. Not much more to it than that. Same as the transactions which take place here on namepros everyday.

Every listing i have sold on flippa was legit as were all stats, i have 100% positive feedback from every sale i have completed. If anyone wishes to discuss hoe i am an unethical domainer please PM me.

Frankly i was very surprised to see the comments in this thread.
Theres a few folks here that will love to have a face to face with at namescon this year.
 
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Every listing i have sold on flippa was legit as were all stats, i have 100% positive feedback from every sale i have completed. If anyone wishes to discuss hoe i am an unethical domainer please PM me.

Frankly i was very surprised to see the comments in this thread.

My comments were directed only at Flippa. I don't have any personal association with you in the positive or the negative.
I would not want any of my comments to be a reflection on you as I am totally unfamiliar with your ethics.

I don't agree with your understanding of the auction rules but that's for Flippa and Brandbucket to explain, imho. Your willingness to discuss with Flippa seems honorable enough.
 
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When a buyer enters a Flippa auction, give them a notice in nice, big, easy-to-read typeface, that says there's a policy in place that allows Flippa employees to bid against any buyer, in stealth mode or otherwise, in any Flippa auction. Make the buyer aware that the sellers are also aware of that policy.

After you educate the buyer as much as you've educated the seller about that policy, then the buyer has made a decision to participate in that auction knowing such a policy exists.

If it's such a great policy, as Flippa thinks it is, then Flippa should be out front with it and proud of it to both sellers AND buyers. But my better judgement tells me that perhaps Flippa's not so proud of it, hence the lack of disclosure to ALL CONCERNED PARTIES.

That would suffice and ease my mind. Then I would have that beer with you. Until then, IMHO, you and the company you work for are merely part of the problem.

We're getting somewhere. Bidders aliases are in the works as part of a larger security overhaul we'll be putting into place, and an 'Employee' badge hopefully sooner. I'll look into clarifying from a ToS POV how we provide this information more upfront.
 
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@DU I've fixed this listing




The comments issue I can address. That's actually an easy one. I know this seller, and he deletes older and dup comments to basically 'bump' the listing; those who have *chosen* to watch the auction or bid get email notified and it is a tactic some sellers use. It's not for everyone, and some buyers hate it (they can un-subscribe from these).

No admin deleted BrandStart's comments. In fact, he deleted mine - which said that I had removed the clause in his listing stating he could remove domains if they sold before Flippa's auction ended; I said that was against our ToS and everything listed in the auction would sell to the highest bidder. He deleted it, but put it in the description. It's (the comment deleting) is also maybe a form of content control, by the seller. I am not sure, but it's not really Flippa's concern what a seller does with his or her content control. Unless it's outright-dodgy, which this isn't, we don't intervene in seller's content matters unless asked to troubleshoot.

I don't understand this:
"To many unknowns for me to take a risk. I do get emails from flippa, it says these 420 names have been listed, and then they all start with OK or OKANAGAN. Frank S. is registering them."

In fact your comment was not deleted and is still in the listings comment string, i wanted to leave it for transparency for those who were bidding.

As for deleting my own comments, yes i am guilty of this and have done it for multiple reasons, i had added buy it now early on in the listing and mid way through the listing and those comments were related to the buy it now prices, i sometimes do this to feel out the interest in the name as i found that a listing will get more action following a BIN being added, so after removing the BIN offer i delete the comments. I understand this can be confusing and irritating to those watching the listing, i will remember this in future auctions. Let me know if anyone has any other questions, i am being as transparent as i can here and hope i have been answering everyone's questions related to the listing.
 
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I might be late here to comment, but I think everyone in this thread has some valid grounds. However the feedback was not constructive as its always i blame you, you counter blame me and on!

@Shane Bellone I liked every post you here on NP. I also admired your Domainsherpa review previously, and I learnt from it as well as everyone who watched it. Let me just add that we all need a small pause before we just dump whats in our minds in a large post, especially if this will affect an existing business link we have someone/entity/company! Your initial success in domains all started with flippa. I would try a 100 times to resolve this before posting here. Your other post around Adam dicker was a 100% to the point and he deserved it, given his actions with a lot of people (as per the post). I was personally going to be a victim, but I was lucky to bail out. As for their integrity, Flippa just banned all the accounts belonging to Abdulbasit because of a violation to the TOS. Abdulbasit is a great seller and an asset for everyone to have on their platform, but they didnt care as integrity is key.

I personally had ZERO success on Flippa and not a big fan. of their platform, because of the promotions and shill bidding etc... the shill bidding, they can only automate its restrictions and manually track reported auctions... I was offered the same 2 for 1 promotion thingy... I used it... Devoir wasnt responsive as well, until I copied Frank, he started responding.

@FlippaDomains Without me, Abdulbasit and Shane, you will still succeed a 100%. You have a great customers' DB which has thousands of financially backed investors. This is all you need to win this game. However, I would focus more on the sellers over time. These are your supply source. You need to automate more the promotions thing, especially the 2 for 1 thing. Second, employees should understand that customer obsession is a key to success. Sellers are your customers here!

I can see that this matter could be easily resolved. It takes courage for Shane to accept a resolution, and being vocally self critical for Flippa to admit some mistakes and work on them with all of the unsatisfied sellers.

Its a tough business, and very dynamic. We need to all cooperate to shape it right as time unfolds, instead of wasting hours of our time in resolutions!

I hope you all didnt get offended by anything I wrote, I hope we are here for the better cause and improving to march forward.

Good Luck everyone!
 
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HMM I hear so much bad FLIPPA press they must be doing something wrong.
 
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Regarding the account that is selling on both platforms... I kindly informed Kevin that this user is a shady scammer months and months ago as soon as he became a Super Seller. He stated that he only gave him Super Seller status because he kept nagging him. Quality business right thurrrrrrr.
If that is Branstart, I remember reporting him for spamming me and asking me to bid in domains. I once did send a pm to someone and askes their opinion of a domain I had since they sold ao many similar domains. I was suspended for a week and aaid I spammed. Yet when I reported this guy, he was suspendes for less than five mins and when I complained, I was told it is their decision and descretion can be used anytime. I left the issue at that.
 
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Yet when I reported this guy, he was suspendes for less than five mins and when I complained, I was told it is their decision and descretion can be used anytime. I left the issue at that.

He was given a warning for PM'ing people and hasn't re-offended.
 
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I could buy one of those names at Brandbucket right now and what happens?

It is the responsibility of the seller to notify me, and then the Flippa auction would be shut down.

The fact that the name can be sold off-Flippa violates YOUR terms.

Yes, and as such we will update these terms. Updated terms should apply to there not being more than one auction at the same time - we've shut down auctions of domains we've seen on Namejet, for instance.

But when it comes to non-auction, un-timed listings...

We will someday provide extended benefits to those sellers who list their inventory exclusively with us, but for now - there is an inability to maintain this clause (as pursuant to domains on Flippa) in our ToS and ...I personally do not want to.

Cross-listing pollination occurs across a myriad of marketplaces and for us to be one that demands exclusivity would be a mistake.

Flippa has almost 2 million domains on platform. I want to represent 20 million. We can't get there if we enforce exclusivity.

I'd like to earn someone's exclusivity by helping more people *prefer* to use our platform. We shouldn't demand that, we should earn it.

All this said:

You, the seller, are solely responsible for your listings. That means don't run two auctions at once (we will shut those down on our end).

Goes without saying, out of respect to the buyer, that exclusivity should and does apply to those assets which have sold on Flippa; sales completed on Flippa must remain on Flippa.

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Back to this auction at topic ~ In essence, the seller is transferring the rights to *MAINTAIN* these domain listings at BrandBucket, where the company retains their 30% commission for each sold asset. That's $100k in potential sales for the new owner of this portfolio, and that's $30k+ to BrandBucket if each of these sold over time at their marketplace.

Flippa's Success Fee is clearly not driving my decision: Flippa is the world's number one marketplace for digital assets, and we represent the highest number of portfolio-at-auction sales in the industry. This is a more unique portfolio auction that doesn't exist anywhere else and it's a driving force of why I picked it.

I don't expect Flippa to police TMs as its too complicated a process to manage but you should rely on the seller to be up front about such things, correct?

The seller agrees to our terms, and - while we need to broaden our dislike and dis-allowance of TM listings - we mostly take them down upon TM holder's (extremely rare) or other customers' requests (less rare, but still rare).

We're working to automate better ways to catch these before entry into the marketplace.

however, it will violate the Flippa double listing rule..

Please see above; our legal team has been working to revise our ToS. Please note that we span three digital assets (websites, domains, apps) and as such are parsing out which assets need which amended clause.

I see no relevance between 420 and Okanagan except per capita we smoke more 420 than probably anywhere. I have never gotten an alert for and new listings related to 420.

I'm still not sure I follow...So you're saying you didn't save a search after maybe (accidentally?) typing '420' into the Saved Search request area?

Regarding the account that is selling on both platforms... I kindly informed Kevin that this user is a shady scammer months and months ago as soon as he became a Super Seller. He stated that he only gave him Super Seller status because he kept nagging him. Quality business right thurrrrrrr.

@Shane Bellone - Was just thinking about you the other day. Hope can we connect soon.

Regarding @JudgeMind - I don't know what allegations you're referring to, but Dave earned his Super Seller badge on our platform.

The seller of the BrandBucket domains portfolio is @JudgeMind here if you guys didn't know... He looked very legit to me but if you think he's a "shady scammer" you can discuss it with him directly since he's there too.

I speak to him often. I would say he's legit, too.

How can dozens of domainers sell their brand bucket listed domains here on namepros if it is against their TOS?

Same as the transactions which take place here on namepros everyday.

The one absolute for this particular auction in question is [and as mentioned previously] I have reached out to BrandBucket to clarify; I will promptly remove the auction upon request.

Bottom line is the winner of this auction will receive every name that is listed.

Bottom line.
 
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He was given a warning for PM'ing people and hasn't re-offended.
I see.. Yet I was suspended for a whole week?You see that Kevin? People are complaining about such things. I said is it because He is Superseller? I got very angry at the time then let it go because it is business and the platform is not mine and I cant keep arguiting and losing sleep over it. Flippa is the only place I sell on and I like the escrow service but I would like fair and equal treatment. Why was I not given a warning? For me, I sent NO auction URL. Just a short PM talking about what a certain user thought of my domain since they sold a lot of similar domains. Yet I was suspwnded for ONE week.
 
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I see.. Yet I was suspended for a whole week?You see that Kevin? People are complaining about such things. I said is it because He is Superseller? I got very angry at the time then let it go because it is business and the platform is not mine and I cant keep arguiting and losing sleep over it. Flippa is the only place I sell on and I like the escrow service but I would like fair and equal treatment. Why was I not given a warning? For me, I sent NO auction URL. Just a short PM talking about what a certain user thought of my domain since they sold a lot of similar domains. Yet I was suspwnded for ONE week.

If you guys each did the same thing and you got a 'longer sentence' then that's bullshit, and I apologize. And if it happened during a week where I couldn't intervene as quickly or brushed you off, then I'm sorry again. PM to discuss.
 
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If you guys each did the same thing and you got a 'longer sentence' then that's bullsh*t, and I apologize. And if it happened during a week where I couldn't intervene as quickly or brushed you off, then I'm sorry again. PM to discuss.

Thank you. I sent a PM asking fkr opinion WITHOUT even listing any URL of Auction. He on thw other hand, sent me the auction URL and asked me BID.

So as you can see, No the same thung :)

Will PM you more.
 
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just to confirm, here is conversation with michael krell

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In fact your comment was not deleted and is still in the listings comment string, i wanted to leave it for transparency for those who were bidding.

As for deleting my own comments, yes i am guilty of this and have done it for multiple reasons, i had added buy it now early on in the listing and mid way through the listing and those comments were related to the buy it now prices, i sometimes do this to feel out the interest in the name as i found that a listing will get more action following a BIN being added, so after removing the BIN offer i delete the comments. I understand this can be confusing and irritating to those watching the listing, i will remember this in future auctions. Let me know if anyone has any other questions, i am being as transparent as i can here and hope i have been answering everyone's questions related to the listing.

All confirmed.

I would try a 100 times to resolve this before posting here.

Thanks, and one thing I think a lot of you do know is that I listen!

As for their integrity, Flippa just banned all the accounts belonging to Abdulbasit because of a violation to the TOS. Abdulbasit is a great seller and an asset for everyone to have on their platform, but they didnt care as integrity is key.

That's right, and I personally invited him back were he / his family able to comply with our requests.

I personally had ZERO success on Flippa and not a big fan. of their platform, because of the promotions and shill bidding etc... the shill bidding, they can only automate its restrictions and manually track reported auctions... I was offered the same 2 for 1 promotion thingy... I used it... Devoir wasnt responsive as well, until I copied Frank, he started responding.

Would like you to have a better experience, so let's please talk off-thread. [edit: good to talk!]

(and CC me the email you sent with Frank on it?)

However, I would focus more on the sellers over time. These are your supply source. You need to automate more the promotions thing, especially the 2 for 1 thing. Second, employees should understand that customer obsession is a key to success. Sellers are your customers here!

That's turned into a side-job of mine, speaking to all of you (mostly) sellers. It's become a nice weekend hobby, to say the least.

Improving our platform so sellers, first, could have a good experience was always my main goal. After all, couldn't really grow a marketplace without sellers. And that quest continues, fiercer than ever.

We're now progressing to make it much better for buyers [shameless plug: improved search / view experience coming this December].

And also coming soon, know that Premium/Ultra Upgrades are being paused. More here...
 
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Just bear in mind some of the potential pitfalls of displaying identifiable information on users such as;. spam, fraud potential and privacy rights issues.

Ironically, because of Icann policy seller's personal info can already be determined if a user merely lists a domain that they have registered. It's allowed even with strict European privacy protection measures in place.

This shouldn't mean that buyer's real identity should not be respected and protected under all jurisdictions.
 
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just to confirm, here is conversation with michael krell

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So apparently BB is ok with you selling the names as long as they stay for sale on BB. Your example you provided for him is not really indicating that you are listing the names on another site for sale but if they're ok with it who am I to argue? Perhaps they should get someone to update their TOS as well though it seems the marketplace that makes sense for buyers and sellers matters less to them than the bottom line as well.

On BB:
"Soliciting domain sales outside of the BrandBucket marketplace is strictly prohibited. ... blah blah blah and other stuff we don't enforce"

Whatever @michaeljkrell wants I suppose - is he the owner/legal member of that site and authorized to make those decisions? It seems to me that domain platforms are all a law unto themselves with no rules that actually mean anything or enforced.

But this isn't a BB thread, it's a Flippa thread. I guess to keep it on topic it is enough to say that there's NO POINT reading the terms of service of domain auction/sites because none of them seem to actually matter or are particularly enforceable. Seems like the worst punishment available to anyone is to get their account suspended (boo hoo - it's probably super duper hard to get another one).

Last post in this thread because I need to go do something useful :)
 
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So apparently BB is ok with you selling the names as long as they stay for sale on BB. Your example you provided for him is not really indicating that you are listing the names on another site for sale but if they're ok with it who am I to argue? Perhaps they should get someone to update their TOS as well though it seems the marketplace that makes sense for buyers and sellers matters less to them than the bottom line as well.

On BB:
"Soliciting domain sales outside of the BrandBucket marketplace is strictly prohibited. ... blah blah blah and other stuff we don't enforce"

Whatever @michaeljkrell wants I suppose - is he the owner/legal member of that site and authorized to make those decisions? It seems to me that domain platforms are all a law unto themselves with no rules that actually mean anything or enforced.

But this isn't a BB thread, it's a Flippa thread. I guess to keep it on topic it is enough to say that there's NO POINT reading the terms of service of domain auction/sites because none of them seem to actually matter or are particularly enforceable. Seems like the worst punishment available to anyone is to get their account suspended (boo hoo - it's probably super duper hard to get another one).

Last post in this thread because I need to go do something useful :)

I asked him speaking generally as it is no different that selling on flippa as on namepros. So long as the names remain listed at bb they have no problem with it.
 
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I would say Flippa should just do away with employees being able to bid, I mean are these Flippa employees buying domains and flipping them making a solid income ? I only ask that for a reason why employees would care if it gets changed. If there is little employee bidding well that little bidding is generating a lot of negative publicity so it is not worth it.

As far as auctioning on Flippa and listed on BrandBucket, like so many things in this business nobody cares until they care.

Fact those names are listed on BrandBucket, BrandBucket goes out of its way to tell buyers they will get the domain they bought.
Transfer Guaranteed
Our escrow service walks you through the domain transfer, which is typically complete within 2-5 business days. If for any reason the name transfer fails, we will fully refund your purchase.

So while an auction is running on Flippa and a domain name is listed on BrandBucket, what happens if someone hits buy it now on BrandBucket ? BrandBucket is going to look for that name to be transferred to their buyer.

So what does Flippa do ?

A lot of things in this industry work on the "That scenario will never happen" principle. But when it does the Poop hits the fan.

Because the Flippa bidder may want that name the most and BrandBucket wants their commission, they also look like fools if they can't deliver with that guarantee promise. Other sellers have to say, "Why am I giving exclusivity ? Auctions are the way around this, just maintain a reserve price and you get the best of both worlds.

BrandBucket will say you can't have Sporto.com (hypothetical) listed on Sedo and BrandBucket, but you can run an auction on Flippa ? Who does that make sense to ? The logic fails.

Kevin you said we can't get to 20 million domains asking for exclusivity, but when people are live auctioning something that is different than having names listed on Sedo, Afternic or Flippa Catalog. Live auctions cannot have another escape hatch for the name to be sold under.
 
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As far as auctioning on Flippa and listed on BrandBucket, like so many things in this business nobody cares until they care.

Fact those names are listed on BrandBucket, BrandBucket goes out of its way to tell buyers they will get the domain they bought.
Transfer Guaranteed
Our escrow service walks you through the domain transfer, which is typically complete within 2-5 business days. If for any reason the name transfer fails, we will fully refund your purchase.

So while an auction is running on Flippa and a domain name is listed on BrandBucket, what happens if someone hits buy it now on BrandBucket ? BrandBucket is going to look for that name to be transferred to their buyer.

So what does Flippa do ?

A lot of things in this industry work on the "That scenario will never happen" principle. But when it does the Poop hits the fan.

Because the Flippa bidder may want that name the most and BrandBucket wants their commission, they also look like fools if they can't deliver with that guarantee promise. Other sellers have to say, "Why am I giving exclusivity ? Auctions are the way around this, just maintain a reserve price and you get the best of both worlds.

BrandBucket will say you can't have Sporto.com (hypothetical) listed on Sedo and BrandBucket, but you can run an auction on Flippa ? Who does that make sense to ? The logic fails.

The enforceability lies with BB and not Flippa as it's BB who demands exclusivity.

Sedo and GoDaddy are not checking each and every of their auction listings whether they are listed in other auctions or exclusive marketplace too.

What auction houses like eBay, Flippa, GoDaddy, Sedo can do practically, are to sanction sellers who can't deliver if auctions ended to sell.

One thing I feel Flippa should take more responsibility is the content put up by users. There's a difference between a marketplace that has no restrictions over the content put up by users vs the marketplace that doesn't bother over the content put up by users.

I have reported a few auctions not in the intent to get sellers in trouble nor to spoil their auctions but just purely to correct some misinformation in the description, and most of the time the replies are the auction is already over and the auction will stand if the buyer does not raise any dispute or we can't force the seller to edit his/her description.
 
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The enforceability lies with BB and not Flippa as it's BB who demands exclusivity.

Sedo and GoDaddy are not checking each and every of their auction listings whether they are listed in other auctions or exclusive marketplace too.

What auction houses like eBay, Flippa, GoDaddy, Sedo can do practically, are to sanction sellers who can't deliver if auctions ended to sell.

One thing I feel Flippa should take more responsibility is the content put up by users. There's a difference between a marketplace that has no restrictions over the content put up by users vs the marketplace that doesn't bother over the content put up by users.

I have reported a few auctions not in the intent to get sellers in trouble nor to spoil their auctions but just purely to correct some misinformation in the description, and most of the time the replies are the auction is already over and the auction will stand if the buyer does not raise any dispute or we can't force the seller to edit his/her description.

I did not say it was for Flippa to enforce, like I said stuff goes on until somebody can't deliver. BrandBucket IMO sees what goes on at Namepros as wholesale trading so they don't mind. But if it is on Flippa how do they know when I bid I want to sell it on BrandBucket ? I may see a BrandBucket approved brandable that I want to buy for development or to sell on my own and save 30%, heck I may have already arbitraged it to a buy side client that doesn't even know what Flippa is or has no interest. So BrandBucket thinking that just so long as the name stays on BrandBucket is ok, it might not work out that way.
 
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I would say Flippa should just do away with employees being able to bid, I mean are these Flippa employees buying domains and flipping them making a solid income ? I only ask that for a reason why employees would care if it gets changed. If there is little employee bidding well that little bidding is generating a lot of negative publicity so it is not worth it.

I agree. I am very, very unlikely to use a platform that allows employee bidding.
 
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I did not say it was for Flippa to enforce, like I said stuff goes on until somebody can't deliver. BrandBucket IMO sees what goes on at Namepros as wholesale trading so they don't mind. But if it is on Flippa how do they know when I bid I want to sell it on BrandBucket ? I may see a BrandBucket approved brandable that I want to buy for development or to sell on my own and save 30%, heck I may have already arbitraged it to a buy side client that doesn't even know what Flippa is or has no interest. So BrandBucket thinking that just so long as the name stays on BrandBucket is ok, it might not work out that way.

Yes, and Kevin did his part to remove the additional term by the seller that sold domains can be replaced by another and went beyond to check with BB.

If I'm the seller and knowing this loophole by BB, I'll offer to give all proceeds minus BB commission to the eventually winner in the event the domain is sold at BB during the auction time. Haha
 
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