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just want to bring this up, again

if you want premium names, then expect to pay premium prices


you don't want certain letters or only want specific numbers or want the name to end in "ie" only.....then you gotta pay extra for the extra criteria


you want names with pr, traffic and ppc earnings, you gotta pay extra for those too

also, it's trickery to post that you got $10k budget for the right name, but every offer you make on a qualified submission is only $250

increase the budgets!!!


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Passing off non-premium domains as premium kinda reminds me of a old friend..
He found a empty bottle of Chivas Regal, went to the local liquor store, bought a bottle of "dollar-five come alive whisky" (cheap whisky) and after whenever you visit him...he offer you a drink (after a few other drinks) of "Chivas Regal"..
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OK, point taken. BUT if they are on these forums, they are far more educated than the typical end user, taking far more time to research before buying than the typical end user, know far more about negotiation than the typical end user and probably won't bite at end user prices...

and your assumptions are based on what?

if a member has development skills and they buy a domain from another member and produce a viable website.... isn't that end-using?

that user may or may not create a WTB thread, or contact the seller via pm, but they might send email or bid on the name via an aftermarket venue.

My point was.. If it quacks like a duck(domainer) and walks like a duck(domainer) then THEY ARE a domainer. Of course I shouldn't have said, that ALL people on this board are domainers. Absolutes can be nitpicked all day. But as a previous poster said 99% probably are. SO that is the vast, vast majority. SO targeting your responses to that 1% is wasting 99% of the rest of our time. And THAT is what frustrates the *&*( out of me.

fact: a domainer, can also be an end-user.

my domains are targeted, for the right buyer. they are/were acquired according to the % of potential users and/or business models that exist now or in the future.


and that percentage is greater than 1%

imo...
 
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Is a domainer going to pay end user prices for a domain he wants to develop? I know I wouldn't.
 
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I buy domain names for resale, and I also buy domain names to develop them.
So I buy domains in end user capacity too, and I know I am not the only one.

Also, there are some domains I would be willing to sell at 'domainer' price, but there are other domains I wouldn't. If you want them you'll pay retail price.
 
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OK. I can tell that many have very strong feelings about this issue. I apologize if I've offended anyone by my posts. That wasn't my intent.

I buy an average of 10 $x,xxxx+ domains a week on all the major auction platforms, Sedo, Namejet, Snapnames, Godaddy, etc. and pay market prices. And I plan to spend a LOT more money over the next 6 months. I would like to spend more of that money here, but have found it virtually impossible to find ANYTHING priced at market, let alone wholesale. So, it's been frustrating and a huge waste of time for me to even respond to sellers.

So, no I don't need to pay what your asking Mr seller. I don't need to do anything. I will take my money else ware. And based on some of the previous posts, I'm not the only one.
 
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@distlej u are not understanding the subtle point the likes of biggie and other are making.

Because ur a reseller does not give u a right to buy good names for nothing especially when buyer and seller both understand the ultimate/end user potential of the name.

Some lady emailed me abt buying triple premium lll.ins from me.she said she was a domainer,fine I was ready to give her a price between reseller and end user. She wanted 10 names and I asked for $5k but she countered with 500 for all 10. So this biatch is offering 50 USD for a triple premium lll.in? If she knew the "market" price then she would offer at least $150 per name. U see the kind of sh** we talking 'bout?
Even on another forum a member put up some triple premiums for $400 each and people bought a bunch. If b h parties don't win no one wins. But some smart ass buyers wanna abuse domain sellers and th le industry by cheating them. Yes ur cheating too if u buy a me for a veerryyy unrealistically low price Cuz if u were the seller u wpupdnt sell in that situation.
 
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Actually I do understand the points. I sell as much as I buy. No one can force you to sell and no one can force a buyer to buy. There needs to be agreement. You are talking about unrealistic buyer expectations and I am talking about unrealistic seller expectations. There seems to be a lot of both.

If you see unrealistic buyer expectations it's your right to stop dealing. If I see unrealistic seller expectations it's my right to stop buying.

But expecting to sell a domain on this forum for 10X what you bought it for 6 months ago is not REASONABLE.

AND expecting to buy a domain on this forum for 1/10 what it sold for 6 months ago is NOT REASONABLE.

In between is the gray area that we have been bantering about where someone "guesses" what the domain is worth and calls it SUPER PREMIUM ON SALE NOW!

So nobody makes any deals and the reg fees add up. arrgh!
 
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Actually I do understand the points. I sell as much as I buy. No one can force you to sell and no one can force a buyer to buy. There needs to be agreement. You are talking about unrealistic buyer expectations and I am talking about unrealistic seller expectations. There seems to be a lot of both.

If you see unrealistic buyer expectations it's your right to stop dealing. If I see unrealistic seller expectations it's my right to stop buying.

But expecting to sell a domain on this forum for 10X what you bought it for 6 months ago is not REASONABLE.

AND expecting to buy a domain on this forum for 1/10 what it sold for 6 months ago is NOT REASONABLE.

In between is the gray area that we have been bantering about where someone "guesses" what the domain is worth and calls it SUPER PREMIUM ON SALE NOW!

So nobody makes any deals and the reg fees add up. arrgh!
Good comments! Saying "no" is also key in this industry.
 
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OK. I can tell that many have very strong feelings about this issue. I apologize if I've offended anyone by my posts. That wasn't my intent.
Hi @distlej

it's a discussion about business practices

so, while i appreciate the gesture, there is no need for you, or anyone else to apologize for sharing your perspective.


Actually I do understand the points. I sell as much as I buy. No one can force you to sell and no one can force a buyer to buy. There needs to be agreement. You are talking about unrealistic buyer expectations and I am talking about unrealistic seller expectations. There seems to be a lot of both.

If you see unrealistic buyer expectations it's your right to stop dealing. If I see unrealistic seller expectations it's my right to stop buying.

But expecting to sell a domain on this forum for 10X what you bought it for 6 months ago is not REASONABLE.

AND expecting to buy a domain on this forum for 1/10 what it sold for 6 months ago is NOT REASONABLE.

In between is the gray area that we have been bantering about where someone "guesses" what the domain is worth and calls it SUPER PREMIUM ON SALE NOW!

So nobody makes any deals and the reg fees add up. arrgh!

i agree that no one can force the other into a deal, and also agree that there is a "gray" area in determining values

however, many of the domains i offer were registered years ago, not in the last 6 months.

and in contrast to your perspective, i find it to be totally "unreasonable" for any domainer with at last 6 months experience, to offer 10% of the sale price on a domain that sold for $1K, 6 months ago.
as many category domains have increased in value over time


while an offer from someone with less knowledge of domain registration costs, would be understandable.

still, as many have tried to educate potential buyers to domain values when negotiating, so too am i, here, beforehand.... in this thread.

ya feel me!

imo....
 
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And I should have qualified my "selling for 10X" and "buying for 10X" to auction sales on the common marketplaces. Occasionally I have made an incredible one on one buy that WAS worth 10X what I paid for it.
Though those situations are rare, they do keep me motivated when sales hit a dry spell. :)

" i find it to be totally "unreasonable" for any domainer with at last 6 months experience, to offer 10% of the sale price on a domain that sold for $1K, 6 months ago"

I agree 100%. I try to always do my homework and check sales history BEFORE I make an offer.
If I'm not willing to give the seller a profit I DON'T MAKE AN OFFER and tell them "I can't make an offer you would be interested in."

I think EVERY BUYER should check price history before making an offer.

But likewise, EVERY SELLER should expect buyers to do the same and get bids based on REALISTIC expectations.
 
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A lot of great points made and it is very true the budgets should increase but everyone hesitates to determine the true value of a domain. There will always be doubts from a buyer not knowing if this domain is really worth what they are going to pay for it.

The value for the most part will be in the eye of the beholder and the overall history of the recent sales of similar names.

The way I look at low ball offers is simply this is someone who is interested in this domain and so I go back and forth and negotiate to find out what they are truly willing to spend on it and if they will be willing to go up anywhere near my target price.

Keep in mind just because someone gives you a low ball offer does not mean that is all they are willing to spend.
 
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Biggie. You are fighting human nature AND the accepted business practice of buying low and selling high.

The WTB section is what it is. The only way that you are going to effect change is to set up shop in there and offer people fair prices yourself. Use your own money to set the benchmark and cut off the supply to the low ballers. Until you are prepared to do that, you will never be able to impose a moral code on others.
 
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I think I've heard many in this thread mention the solution to this bottleneck.
Education

It's the tendency of domainers who have reached a certain level of knowledge about the industry to keep that
knowledge to themselves, afraid that they are giving away their "trade secrets" that give them an advantage.
In this case, that tendency results in uneducated buyers and sellers with unreasonable expectations.

When selling to end-users, we like to believe that gives us an advantage to make a "big score".
But when domainer to domainer sales are involved it only results in frustration and a stalled marketplace.
Some in the industry have been taking it upon themselves to selflessly share their experience. I believe that will be better for everyone because the more deals that are made, everyone will profit.
Yes, there may be fewer of those "once in a lifetime" profit opportunities but maybe, just maybe, the sales volume will make up for it.
 
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I get lot of offers, many of them low-ballers. In such cases, most of the times, it is my assumption that the buyer does not know how domain industry works, what are the prices of the comparable names.

So I let it run the due course - let the buyer go out in the market, search alternative names - get frustrated, see their prices, and then come back and make a reasonable offers. Average price of my sales is above $1500. Unless it is like $5/10/50 offer, I do reply to all offers, because not replying is just closing any possibility of any deal. I do try to know what purpose they are seeking a name for, I do suggest alternative names - so that it expands their vision/thought. Even though, as a seller, I do not think it is our 'responsibility' to educate the buyer, but we have to look at this, it is in our interest to get him to the realistic level - it is the question of setting expectations. We have to do our part, and let him do do his part, that is, 'let him do his market search'.

Sometimes, I feel that if the user wants to set up a business and he plans to spend only $50-$100 for a name, then obviously it is not a business plan and 'it is just a thought' at this time. And he is more likely to give up the business thought all together if he cannot find a name under $100, so I would not spend too much time on him.
 
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just went thru a few and:

many of the budgets for recent requests in domains wanted section, still aren't comparable with the quality of domains expected.

imo....
 
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Agree, people give the wide ranges and offer you the lowest for the best of your names..
 
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seen a few threads in domains wanted section lately with decent budgets,

but there are still plenty of posts where the budget is too low for the criteria and type of domain requested.

if you want quality, you gotta pay for it

imo...
 
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seen a few threads in domains wanted section lately with decent budgets,

but there are still plenty of posts where the budget is too low for the criteria and type of domain requested.

if you want quality, you gotta pay for it

imo...

You actually can't just play the budget Don, some have realized to see more names and to not be called out by pros like yourself, they set the budget at a number they wish they had in their bank account. I get complaints as a mod where people think we can do something,

"Equity budget was $500 to $10,000 so I sent 3 names at $8,000 and he offered $100 for one of my names"

Ok well without knowing the names submitted, I don't know if it was reasonable, the fact that the budget high is $10,000 doesn't mean every name.

Look I think that budget too wide, a buyer looking for a $10,000 name probably is not looking for something that is worth $500. Again there are a lot of games played. @Eric Lyon has done a good job along with the help of mods of cleaning up that section, which I sometimes think rivals Comedy Central, "I got $1,000 for an LLL.com, I know I am low but you never know" Yeah we do know.

I think now some people put up bigger budgets too look like a player, no one knows if they bought anything, just post, "Closed three deals keep them coming" Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

Years ago someone who left here a long time ago told me he used Domains wanted to source ideas, had no intention of buying anything, but maybe someone submitted a name they liked and they searched for alternatives that were free to hand reg.

There are a lot of agendas going on in the craziest section of any domain forum.
 
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@distlej - If you think asking prices are too high in the Domains Wanted section, you should try to purchase something in the Make Offer section. IMHO. It's much worse there. Basically, I think it's the sellers fault because they are looking for end-user prices in primarily a domainer marketplace. I hardly ever go to those two sections. If I want to buy cheap, I go to the Domain Auctions and Bargain Bin sections. You might need to wait a bit longer to get what you want, but they do come along and the prices are generally domainer realistic, because they are dumping their domains.
 
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i agree with @equity78 , when he says some people post budgets that they have no intention of paying and that some are just fishing for ideas.

i think if you create a thread in domains wanted, then you should be willing to pay at least market range prices.

and the more you structure your request with specific criteria, the more you should be willing to pay for those selective names.

it's the same philosophy a seller would assume, should they be approached by a potential.


imo...
 
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Make Offer section. IMHO. It's much worse there

I will agree with stub. When you know what the domain is worth and ready to pay more than the market price, the seller says looking for more and later when you ask what are you looking for they reply make offer.
This goes to square one. even i have stopped going to Make offer section as i have failed to make any deal in there. Its stupid to make offer as the buyer will reply looking for more.
 
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Just yesterday I went to the make offer thread and found a 4L Com. When I submitted an offer I got a flippa link in return and a minimum of $400 request by the seller.
Some abuse the generosity of NP but I make a mental note of who to do business with and those I avoid.
 
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Just yesterday I went to the make offer thread and found a 4L Com. When I submitted an offer I got a flippa link in return and a minimum of $400 request by the seller.
Some abuse the generosity of NP but I make a mental note of who to do business with and those I avoid.

Hi

make offer posts are just that, make an offer

for the seller, it gives them info to compare offers submitted, hopefully, by more than one person

still, i sold a LLLL.com on sedo just the other day, that had a BIN price in $,$$$ range.
it went to a chinese buyer and the name had a vowel as first letter.

that same name was posted here for sale, and highest offer i got was only $200.

so, sometimes you have to consider that sellers roi margin, as well as what roi margin you can gain, by increasing your budget....if you want to acquire it.
you may not think there is room to profit today, but next year or year after, you could realize more than expected.


imo....
 
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I will agree with stub. When you know what the domain is worth and ready to pay more than the market price, the seller says looking for more and later when you ask what are you looking for they reply make offer.
This goes to square one. even i have stopped going to Make offer section as i have failed to make any deal in there. Its stupid to make offer as the buyer will reply looking for more.

I've even had that happen to me outside the forum, from direct requests. Seems like they're trying to confuse me, it goes back to square-1 as you said, and your think "what is going on here?". I think its the nature of the business, unfortunately. (dealing with folks such as that)
 
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I've even had that happen to me outside the forum, from direct requests. Seems like they're trying to confuse me, it goes back to square-1 as you said, and your think "what is going on here?". I think its the nature of the business, unfortunately.

I would reply with... "I've already made my offer, it's time for you to counter"
 
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