Domain Appraisal Folder is Losing Value

iowadawg said:

Lot easier if someone puts up a potential TM domain for appraisal to just say:
Potential TM problem.
No value.

And leave it at that.

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I agree Dawg .....


I think it would be a good idea to actually look for TM names and post the same phrase.
This would show the forum there is a unified effort to discourage such names.

"Potential TM issue = no value"

If you saw 4 or 5 of those phrases posted in your thread you might "get a hint" from the
clear consensus.

I have to say I even regged a TM (?) name recently. I placed it in the "other" appraisal section.
Fortunately it was "politely" pointed out to me.

NN

sdsinc said:

I don't agree that $0 should be the minimum. Some domains posted for appraisal are major TM violations, accordingly the potential liability in court is up to $100,000
So the minimum should be -$100,000 (+ legal fees)

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I see a good point. New domainers may NOT take the huge potential risk serious enough and may end up with a totally ruined life. My opinion.

If you have to ask what a domain is worth 9.9 times out of 10 it is worthless!

-TheChamp

TheChamp said:

If you have to ask what a domain is worth 9.9 times out of 10 it is worthless!

-TheChamp

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That's not true. I don't understand people that comes with so "precise" statistics.

erandi said:

That's not true. I don't understand people that comes with so "precise" statistics.

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You are probably right, but do not take things so literal. It was just my opinion, I know when I use to ask what domains were worth when I first started that they were garbage domains.

I just am stating from my experiences and that was just my opinion. It was not meant to offend anyone nor was it meant to come across as factual.

Must Read!!

Most Users who hang-around at the Appraisal section are very pessimistic!! or Maybe Sly

I have noticed a lot of people coming up with good names asking to be appraised and watching other members joke at the names before ordering them to drop it as an only option..

It's so bad that i think even if i had sex.com and i asked for an appraisal, i'd probably have someone there telling me to drop it that it isn't worth reg fee (Sarcasm)..

Anyways i registered two Dictionary one word .co's, can't say them other cos i just sold one of them..

But i asked for the "experienced" domainers on the appraisal section to appraise these names and all i got was "Drop them", .co market dead, not even worth reg fee bla bla ... I even considered dropping them, but i held on, put both of em up for auction on godaddy and one of em sold for high xxx

So i wonder if these half of these experienced domainers know what they are talking about or are do they intentionally discourage one and tell em their domain is useless, in the hope that the person drops the name so that they can register it themselves??

I wonder...

What do you think

The appraisal section is all based on subjective face value. Not every domainer will see the same value in a name or hold it with the same regard as the person who registered it. I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to get someone to drop their name but it certainly could happen. Most of the experienced domainers are just offering their opinions based on what previous knowledge they have.

...I would cut the appraisers some slack.

They are taking time to evaluate a name and it is not easy when you are NOT an enduser looking for the name being offered for appraisal. Subjective it is, but more often than they are not honest opinions.

There would be some that protect their own interests, of course, but I am guessing that the number is low as they would not spend time on appraisals to begin with.

Those few that would may put a low appraisal if they have similar names in the same niche, or a dot commie trying to degrade alternative extensions to protect his/her investments. But too few to consider, actually.

Glad you are doing well with .co. I only have two and only one is actually for sale(cannabinoids//co).

Best of fortune in your future endeavors. Enjoy the ride...

domains aren't like cars, where you can look in a little blue book and find a value listed. Appraisals are opinions only, take them with a grain of salt.

freedom30 said:

...I would cut the appraisers some slack.

They are taking time to evaluate a name and it is not easy when you are NOT an enduser looking for the name being offered for appraisal. Subjective it is, but more often than they are not honest opinions.

There would be some that protect their own interests, of course, but I am guessing that the number is low as they would not spend time on appraisals to begin with.

Those few that would may put a low appraisal if they have similar names in the same niche, or a dot commie trying to degrade alternative extensions to protect his/her investments. But too few to consider, actually.

Glad you are doing well with .co. I only have two and only one is actually for sale(cannabinoids//co).

Best of fortune in your future endeavors. Enjoy the ride...

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Thanks for the compliment, yeah i know what you mean but some of them are too cheesy especially with the way they appraise..

Some will say stuff like "Throw your card away"

.co is actually a good extension, serves as a typo for .com if you think about it

You have a pretty good name, i wonder who registered cocaine.co lol so lucky

This is about a dot co appraisal lol


ANYBODY that lurks in the appraisal thread looking to "con" people into dropping their names to pick up later is on a domaining road to nowhere.

Congratz on the sale

If you ever want to post the name or the appraisal thread we will be glad to critique the case

Goodluck

I know which domain you sold and I congratulate you for the nice return on your investment! I just listed a one word .net on Godaddy auctions after reading your post. I will post details in the external auctions forum when the auction is active.

Thanks for sharing with us Kozey. :wave:

kozey11 said:

Anyways i registered two Dictionary one word .co's, can't say them other cos i just sold one of them..

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You have to "consistently" sell those kind of stuffs (and what price you sold them), in order to prove that there really is a market for it beyond lottery sale.

When people "appraise" something, they are supposedly basing it on what commonly sells. Otherwise, if their appraisal is not based on any set criteria, then it's just nothing but a "guessing game".

kozey11 said:

But i asked for the "experienced" domainers on the appraisal section to appraise these names and all i got was "Drop them", .co market dead, not even worth reg fee bla bla ... I even considered dropping them, but i held on, put both of em up for auction on godaddy and one of em sold for high xxx

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Hi

anybody can sell anything on godaddy



maybe a noob bought it, thinking it was good name too

but go back and check on it later to see what gets done with it.


cuz that's what an appraisal is really all about.

imo...

I also think some of the members who "Hang Around" the appraisal forum do not have any clue how to appraise a domain and that they have even admitted that they base their appraisals on what they "Like or Don't Like"

Some refuse to consider other factors like any past comperable sales in their appraisals and even a domains age, some have went as far to say they hate hyphenated domains so any hyphen automatically kills the domain, others have said anything over the 14 character rule also automatically kills any domain.

That's all a bunch BS!

This type of closed minded thinking taints any appraisal given and if you only appraise based on what you like or don't like and do not consider other factors then regardless how much time you spend over at the appraisal forum hanging out dedicated you precious time, if you don't dedicate a few Extra minutes to doing a little research of the domain you are appraising but only give it a quick glance then your have no clue on how to appraise and shouldn't be appraising someones properties.

And as they always say in the appraisal forum...IMHO

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With a few exceptions, domains are worth what a buyer is willing to pay, and that amount isn't always apparent.

True premiums are easier to appraise because one can look at its stats (GAKT and page rank), and if traffic and ppc is high, one can arrive at some solid figures.

With brandables, the stats may be practically non-existent, but a startup company looking for a certain kind of name might be very interested in a brandable. But investing in and selling such domains can be tricky. Moreover, asking for an appraisal on such a domain is likely to elicit a "reg-fee" response.

Maybe OP is more upset at the tone of responses, which can be a bit snarky at times.

Perhaps there should be a "Brandable" thread that mostly discusses the positive and negative aspects of the domain instead of asking for a solid numerical appraisal.

In other words, appraisers could be asked to put on their end-user hats and assess the domain as something that a new company could trademark and easily brand. Obviously, there is great difference between "Verizon" and "pqxzywq."

I recently acquired a 6-letter brandable and pronounceable .com (I won't hijack this thread with specifics), and it would be nice to run it by the talented domainers here, but I wouldn't be looking for a $ appraisal, but, rather, its cachet as a potential brandable.

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lennco said:

even admitted that they base their appraisals on what they "Like or Don't Like"

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Yes! I see this all the time. People liking the types of domains that tend to have value and not liking the ones that tend not to have value

lennco said:

Some refuse to consider other factors like any past comperable sales in their appraisals

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Not sure about "refuse" comperables are good and should be stated, but comparables only go so far.

lennco said:

even a domains age

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As we all know people reg bad names in the old days too.

lennco said:

some have went as far to say they hate hyphenated domains so any hyphen automatically kills the domain

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A) Hate a strong word, try dislike, avoids, extra caution. B) There a reason hypens give people the shivers. C) 99.9% of the hyphen names we see in that section are not home-loan.com

lennco said:

others have said anything over the 14 character rule also automatically kills any domain.

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"OtherS" try "a person" Yes it was painful at times. But it was his way of trying to school people on being mindful of limits.

lennco said:

That's all a bunch BS!

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That people are predjudice to certain extentions, hypens? People are not predjudice to home.co but hand reg a dot co a year after the rush, or have a three hyphen 'seo' domain and there will be some raised eyebrows.

lennco said:

if you don't dedicate a few Extra minutes to doing a little research of the domain

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Yes I agree people should do some reasearch. But also dont assume they didnt either.

lennco said:

And as they always say in the appraisal forum...IMHO

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2x


And remember the red text when entering the apprasial section


and also remember not very many people appraise anymore

kozey11 said:

.co is actually a good extension, serves as a typo for .com if you think about it

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Disagree, .co is not a good extension for domaining purposes.
.co is illiquid so what you are asking is that we appraise your odds of winning the lottery.

As for being a typo of .com, show me examples of .co domains you've got, that are getting significant traffic leak from .com.

It's already hard enough to sell good .com.

It's possible that a .co domain will sell but the odds are slim and the risk ratio is high.
But the regfee must be paid regardless of whether the domain sells or not.

In my view, it's more speculation than a calculated risk.

Of course, you may disagree and use your sale to further support your biased views. Then why not reinvest the proceeds of the sale in .co domains, and see if you can repeat the same feat again and again :gl:

See post #8.

biggie said:

:talk:

Hi

anybody can sell anything on godaddy



maybe a noob bought it, thinking it was good name too

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This too.
A lot of domaining activity goes by the greater fool theory.
Think about it

Why whine about the appraisals you got.
The appraisal section clearly states: Please keep in mind that members donate their time for free to do appraisals. It's common to get a reg fee or $0 appraisal, please don't take it personal.

So you took it personal and opened up a thread to whine.

If you don't like your appraisals, then walk away and don't bother ever asking again.
Period.

Whiner.

johname said:

Yes! I see this all the time. People liking the types of domains that tend to have value and not liking the ones that tend not to have value

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And I also have seen people do the opposite.

johname said:

Not sure about "refuse" comperables are good and should be stated, but comparables only go so far.

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I am sure about the refusal.
Regardless how far the comparables can go, they should always be considered.

johname said:

As we all know people reg bad names in the old days too.

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True, but it is still a factor.

johname said:

A) Hate a strong word, try dislike, avoids, extra caution. B) There a reason hypens give people the shivers. C) 99.9% of the hyphen names we see in that section are not home-loan.com

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Hate, dislike it is still a strong personal preference that should be avoided when appraising.
Just because you don't Like a domain does not mean it may not have value.
Also, If it gives them the shivers then once again they should not be appraising that particular domain.

johname said:

"OtherS" try "a person" Yes it was painful at times. But it was his way of trying to school people on being mindful of limits.

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Telling someone It automatically "Kills" the domain is not advising someone of limits.

johname said:

That people are predjudice to certain extentions, hypens? People are not predjudice to home.co but hand reg a dot co a year after the rush, or have a three hyphen 'seo' domain and there will be some raised eyebrows.

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I am not saying all domain are created equal but the fact of the matter is that these days hyphen domains still sell and have value, people in Germany happen to love hyphenated domains because they use hyphans in their language and not because of SEO. Like them or not they can have value and sometimes tremendous value.
I have sold hyphenated domains, I once sold a double hyphenated domain and so have many other domainers.

johname said:

Yes I agree people should do some reasearch. But also dont assume they didnt either

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I assume that when they do not give any reason for their appraisal other then "IMHO"
An appraiser should say what factors they used to determining their appraisal.

johname said:

And remember the red text when entering the apprasial section

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Yea, that only gives the appraiser the ammo to say whatever they like without an argument.
Its too one sided.
If an appraisal does not offer any reasons for their appraisal other then "IMHO" then they should expect questions on why.

johname said:

and also remember not very many people appraise anymore

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And not everyone gets appraisals anymore either, I don't

Also, what maybe the single biggest problem with the a lot of the appraisers here is, they only ever approach their appraisals from a domainers point of view, or a SEO point of view.
Trying to get a "End Users" point of view from an appraiser is like pulling teeth.
After all most of us are trying to sell our domains to end users and that is what we are trying to base our prices on.

Once again....IMHO

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iowadawg said:

Why whine about the appraisals you got.
The appraisal section clearly states: Please keep in mind that members donate their time for free to do appraisals. It's common to get a reg fee or $0 appraisal, please don't take it personal.

So you took it personal and opened up a thread to whine.

If you don't like your appraisals, then walk away and don't bother ever asking again.
Period.

Whiner.

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Now Dawg, I have seen you complain about a couple of thing here and there, and there again.

although i can understand your suspicion after making a pleasing sale on a domain that wasn't appraised near the sale price, I would not be so "suspicious" of ulterior motives to appraise low/hope for the drop as I WOULD be on "gosh, terrible name, but for a low price I will take the hot potato" type PM's..... then you can bet that their "appraisal" is only hoping to pry the good domain out of your portfolio by under-valuating it.

I have had all types of appraisals here over the years.... brutally honest, and accurate, "not worth reg fee" ones, a few not worth reg fee/low xx that shortly thereafter sold for mid xxx, and even "skys the limit" ones but noone would pony up the offer in a sales thread..... but, all in all, I have appreciated the time and typically genuine attempt to OFFER PERSPECTIVE on a domains value.... it isn't for sure, it isn't guaranteed, often isn't substantiated but is at least another noggin giving it's 2 cents worth.... for free. Take it at that and make your own decisions independent of the "input".

So i wonder if these half of these experienced domainers know what they are talking about or are do they intentionally discourage one and tell em their domain is useless, in the hope that the person drops the name so that they can register it themselves??

I wonder...

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@freedom30 - I don't think appraisers are giving you low prices to protect their brand. That's just crazy thinking. If they were protecting their brand they'd give you a high price. Just think about it for a moment. They are devaluing their own commodity.

@Kosey11 - So you proved them wrong. You should be feeling good about yourself. Rinse and repeat. Scale up. Just because you had some luck one time doesn't make .co a good extension. Besides you've only had partial success. You sold only one of the two domains you regged. I think GoDaddy was the perfect sales platform because of how much they have promoted .co, and a lot of nubes over there (as well as pros). Was it a fixed price sale or an auction?

kozey11 said:

.co is actually a good extension, serves as a typo for .com if you think about it

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Sorry, that's just a silly statement. Most of the people who belong to NamePros & post appraisals here have done more than just "think about" domains ... especially compared to someone who's been a member for four months.

I hope you have a lot of success and keep selling domains for more than they were appraised for. But remember: a newbie shouldn't assume he can tell the experienced pros something they didn't "think about".

lennco said:

Also, what maybe the single biggest problem with the a lot of the appraisers here is, they only ever approach their appraisals from a domainers point of view, or a SEO point of view.
Trying to get a "End Users" point of view from an appraiser is like pulling teeth.

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I do not feel like rehashing earlyer points so Ill just go to your stated single biggest problem.


"only" is incorrect, I told countless people to ask for a certain amount and when I say this I dont mean domainer 2 domainer. And many of my given $xx values carrys a cavate like "a crafy domainer can get out of this position at this value" Which is code for get emailing lol

Giving people an End User price is just not in the cards for every appraisal section domain (heck most). Its pointless to speculate at that level for most names. There also the opposite pressure of "What that can be Apple Inc inquiring about that name, appraiser A a dumbass for stating an enduser price that low. Every so often we see someone post a very nice name and members post reseller and enduser prices. Why because they can invision a true enduser being interested in that name and have a feel for where it can go. I guess you can retort back, "i said point of view" I feel their point of view is in every appraisal.

I look at the appraisal section as more of a learning section for new members. Especially where someone post a list of their names and we can point out one or two having some potential.

.co zzz
yea it has sales and some sites but .com ftw

That is all