NP the subject of discussion of DNF

RaiderGirl · Oct 7, 2012

What was supposed to be a productive thread to improve the forum has turned into a bashing by one disgruntled ex member who had his ego crushed when RJ banned his **s.

http://www.DNF/f72/DNF-com-namepros-com-what-do-you-like-hate-3-thread-493887.html#post2123651

DU · Oct 9, 2012

RaiderGirl said:
there she was trying to ring up a $300 purchase and never once did she even look at me. Naturally I said something and naturally I took my business elsewhere.

NP simply has better store clerks, but the storefront needs improvement.

It's like Pretty Woman all over again ..

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT5rMvo3Clc&feature=related"]Pretty Woman Shopping part 2 Movieclip with captions.wmv - YouTube[/ame]

HeyNow · Oct 9, 2012

DNF is run by Adam Dicker, who, while VP of TDNAM auctions at Godaddy, stealthily bid against clueless Godaddy customers in those auctions. That's how he procured SPYWARE.US, and drove up prices when he decided he really didn't want the names on which he bid. As a Godaddy VP, while bidding he had access to bidding information like proxy bid amounts, max bids other bidders were willing to proffer, and other information.

He's a skunk, IMHO. He banned member(s) at DNF for writing threads there about his ethical shortcomings. I wouldn't spend a nickel there if I were you.

HappyDay · Oct 9, 2012

Both forums are different but Namepros is in my opinion much more userfriendly, rules are less restrictive handled (e.g. forum signatures) and in my opinion the members here are more helpful and less arrogant. It ís just a great international community and all I learned about domaining I learned more or less here and not there.

namenut · Oct 10, 2012

Wow .... A quick read reminds me why I'm @ NamePros.

NN

RaiderGirl · Oct 14, 2012

namenut said:
Wow .... A quick read reminds me why I'm @ NamePros.

NN

I appreciate the post you left on DNF, I replied to it and it was deleted shortly after. Here it is in case you didn't get a chance to read it;

Thanks again

namenut said:
I'm not overly active domaining because of work but I don't see a lot of member bashing @ NPs.
Could be the sections I've been frequenting but NPs moderates heated debates better. This
thread is a perfect example. Started by AD and yet he is disrespected in his own thread by
lowering your retorts to the ... "wadded panties" level? Are you people serious? No one else
here is compelled to step in and try to make gerry understand how disrespectful he/she is
being to BOTH "Raider" "AD" and members like myself?

When you have a member who churns out 18,588 posts in less than 6 years, (actually 5 years when you consider leaving DNF for Mobilty) As short on substance and knowledge as his posts are, it's considered an asset to the forum and that's why I think he's able to get away with it.

His history of bullying is no secret, everything from bashing Don Simonton to bashing noobs looking for advice.... I remember when I was on speaking terms early on, he wrote me a PM worried that GiantDomains was going to give him an infraction when he attacked a member, a member that he perceived as not liked by others. Point is; When Moderation enforces the rules as they should, members are a lot more cautious of what they post.

namenut said:
To Raider,

You would not be treated this way at NPs ...... I will apologize for gerry. He/She was completely
out of order. I am still a member here so I hope you accept my apologies for his behavior.

I actually respect our differences. Live and let live .....

Thank you, As you and I both know I'm not treated this way at NP, and I can safely say that most members although they disagree with me at times, have the ability to respectfully disagree. They don't stoop to the level of calling me slut, wh*re, b*tch from a banana republic, Only here is that tolerated after being reported. And as much as I appreciate your apology, it is not you who should apologize.

namenut said:
Speaking as a Son, Brother, Father and husband ..... you are no gentleman. The little amount of
your "contributions" I have read is sub par and childish. You seem angry and little.

And I thought I was the only one who thought his posts are sub par... They are quite lengthy and because their lengthy it gives the reader the perception he knows what he's talking about, If you were to take all his posts written about Mobi, it maybe as lengthy as the novel "War and Peace" and the end result of Mobi was the longest running failure of any TLD in domaining history. Maybe were not as fooled as others are, when a member pretends to know about a subject, it almost always comes through in their posts, at least it does for me.

So why do I stay around? Several reasons really, 1) DNF has a lot less bottom feeders selling TM's and Typos than NP. 2) I like Adam, despite the disagreements we had I admire his drive for success, to be #1 and do what it takes to get there, I like his intellectual honesty, never afraid to admit he's wrong, takes the advice of others over his original idea if he believes it's better, always open minded. 3) I like a lot of the members here, I guess that comes from being here as long as I have, although many of my friends are disappearing like flies, I still have quite a few that I turn to...

But I have been posting a lot more on NP lately, and with their own Political thread (free of name calling) I expect to be posting there a lot more.... Like Adam once said, "theirs a life outside domaining", for many here that might be sports, hobbies and other interests, for me it's Politics.

namenut · Oct 14, 2012

Very well stated ... It's like watching children throwing rocks in the neighborhood over there. I usually keep my mouth shut .... but I "lost it".

Your ability to "manage" their constant adolescence is beyond me. I mean this was a thread started by "AD" whom clearly asked not to let it get ugly. You really have to wonder why there is such an·i·mos·i·ty toward NPs.

I didn't mean to make it personal about "gerry" ... Do we bash DNF here? Am I just oblivious to it?

NN

JFS · Oct 15, 2012

if you compare forum stats:

NP:
195,081 total members
725,167 total threads
4,218,332 total posts

DNF:
Threads 453,145
Posts 1,865,496
Members 142,068

they have more posts, but less members and less threads.
but if they want to say they are the biggest...

DigitalPoint:
Threads 2,348,811
Posts 16,651,043
Members 590,959

SitePoint:
Threads 774,304
Posts 4,465,413
Members 463,190

they are nowhere near being the largest webmaster forum...
being the best is also highly debatable...
tbh dnf never apealed me, i don't like to have to pay to check my inbox, that's the main reason i'm not an active member there, call it whatever you want.

RazorNF · Oct 15, 2012

Biggest or best claims are always highly subjective.

Stats like # of posts and # of members can be skewed - how many of those members are actually active?

biggie · Oct 15, 2012

JFS said:
if you compare forum stats:

NP:
195,081 total members
725,167 total threads
4,218,332 total posts

DNF:
Threads 453,145
Posts 1,865,496
Members 142,068

they have more posts, but less members and less threads.
but if they want to say they are the biggest...

DigitalPoint:
Threads 2,348,811
Posts 16,651,043
Members 590,959

SitePoint:
Threads 774,304
Posts 4,465,413
Members 463,190

they are nowhere near being the largest webmaster forum...
being the best is also highly debatable...
tbh dnf never apealed me, i don't like to have to pay to check my inbox, that's the main reason i'm not an active member there, call it whatever you want.

lot of numbers you got there

wonder out of all the threads on each forum, how many are duplicates of same domain or service being offered?

sure...numbers are important, but quality of content/reply in each post and relevancy of threads created that are respective to each specific forum matter as well.

to put another way, i'd rather have 10 threads to read on a domain forum, that are relevant to domains/domain development ideas, than 300 threads about politics and humor.

but as i said @ dnf, i'm glad np and dnf are different.

different is cool

HeyNow · Oct 15, 2012

Remember, DNF is run by, in my humble opinion, an auction cheat. In fact Godaddy was pressured into changing their policy after Dicker was outed for his ethical shortcomings which included stealthily bidding against clueless Godaddy customers while he was a Godaddy VP in charge of those same auctions. What a skunk. Sadly, the industry embraces these scumbags and holds them up as shining examples of what we should all aspire to. In fact, Dicker was slated to speak at T.R.A.F.F.I.C. last week. What a joke.

HeyNow · Oct 17, 2012

RaiderGirl said:
2) I like Adam, despite the disagreements we had I admire his drive for success, to be #1 and do what it takes to get there, I like his intellectual honesty, never afraid to admit he's wrong, takes the advice of others over his original idea if he believes it's better, always open minded.QUOTE]

You must be joking. He's an auction cheat. You don't get that? Is that what you mean by his "drive for success?" Is that what you mean by his "intellectual honesty?" He screwed honest Godaddy customers. "Never afraid to admit he's wrong?" Hahaha. That's a real knee-slapper. He was an insider bidding against outsiders. He cheated, plain and simple. You can kiss his ass 'till the cows come home, but what I've stated here is the TRUTH! I value the truth.

Eric Lyon · Oct 17, 2012

Please try and keep this thread civil, there's no need for name calling / bashing. I think everyone can get their personal points / views / opinions across without resorting to hammering anyone's name(s) into the dirt.

Thanks,

Eric Lyon

RaiderGirl · Oct 27, 2012

HeyNow said:
You must be joking. He's an auction cheat. You don't get that?

He's a cheat because you say so? I don't know you, I never once read any of your posts up to now and I honestly don't care too considering the way your coming off in this thread, For all I know your a disgruntled member from a deal gone bad.

You make an outrageous claim I've never heard before and you present ZERO evidence to support anything your saying and your upset because it's not receiving attention? Gee, I wonder why?

Aside from that, you got some nerve coming into my thread and polluting it with this BS, your claim is completely OFF topic, this is about NP being the subject of discussion and one disgruntled fool trashing NP and claiming NP mods are idiots... So if you want to bash Adam, have the balls to do it in your own thread.

equity78 · Oct 27, 2012

I think its pretty common knowledge Adam Dicker bid on Go Daddy Auctions, at the time it was not against Go Daddy policy.

It was covered by news outlets outside of domaining, Andrew Alleman wrote his server almost crashed because of the traffic.

http://domainnamewire.com/2008/07/03/recap-domain-name-auction-firestorm/#comment-188948

http://www.namepros.com/483040-dnj-weekly-sales-2.html

RaiderGirl · Oct 28, 2012

equity78 said:
I think its pretty common knowledge Adam Dicker bid on Go Daddy Auctions, at the time it was not against Go Daddy policy.

Thank you for providing links, I now recall something about this but didn't pay much attention to it at the time.. Obviously what he did was unscrupulous and I'm NOT making excuses for him, but when you operate within the rules of anything you do, that is NOT a "cheat", a "cheat" operates outside the rules, NOT within them.

For example as much as I despise opportunists like Michael Mann of Buydomains who paid exclusive drop catchers to grab domains for his own company and deprive so many of us from those same domains, he operated within the rules, we might not like it, but it's the industry that allowed it to happen, just like Godaddy allowed this to happen, they both share in the blame.

HeyNow · Oct 29, 2012

RaiderGirl said:
Thank you for providing links, I now recall something about this but didn't pay much attention to it at the time.. Obviously what he did was unscrupulous and I'm NOT making excuses for him, but when you operate within the rules of anything you do, that is NOT a "cheat", a "cheat" operates outside the rules, NOT within them.

For example as much as I despise opportunists like Michael Mann of Buydomains who paid exclusive drop catchers to grab domains for his own company and deprive so many of us from those same domains, he operated within the rules, we might not like it, but it's the industry that allowed it to happen, just like Godaddy allowed this to happen, they both share in the blame.

If he worked for Sothebys or another known auctioneer, he'd have been fired or perhaps put in jail. Reputable auction houses have ethics standards. Godaddy didn't. Most domain auctioneers didn't or still don't. You admire a sneaky cheater, plain and simple. You own it.

HeyNow · Nov 2, 2012

RaiderGirl said:
He's a cheat because you say so? I don't know you, I never once read any of your posts up to now and I honestly don't care too considering the way your coming off in this thread, For all I know your a disgruntled member from a deal gone bad.

You make an outrageous claim I've never heard before and you present ZERO evidence to support anything your saying and your upset because it's not receiving attention? Gee, I wonder why?

Aside from that, you got some nerve coming into my thread and polluting it with this BS, your claim is completely OFF topic, this is about NP being the subject of discussion and one disgruntled fool trashing NP and claiming NP mods are idiots... So if you want to bash Adam, have the balls to do it in your own thread.

I thought I'd bump this to the top to point out "RaiderGirl" has stated that I made an "outageous claim," and that I "polluted her thread with BS." Subsequent to her emotional rant, my claim was confirmed, but "RaiderGirl" has crawled under a rock and neglected to correct her nonsense about my post being "outrageous" or "BS."

You should know that about "RaiderGirl" when you digest her posts.

Remember, I speak the TRUTH. I speak harsh REALITIES about documented auction cheats and those who continue to tell us that everything is wonderful about specific individuals, like Adam Dicker, who have a documented history of ethical shortomings. The truth hurts sometimes, and is not always pretty, but it is important. RaiderGirl is a perfect example of what the problem is here. And Adam Dicker? Well, you can decide for yourself now that you know more of the TRUTH.

DU · Nov 3, 2012

I'd thought I'd bump this to the top to point out that you didn't need to bump this thread.... though we appreciate your one man attempt to ensure that everyone knows about the bs that is Snapnames, NameJet and Adam Dicker.

HeyNow · Nov 4, 2012

defaultuser said:
I'd thought I'd bump this to the top to point out that you didn't need to bump this thread.... though we appreciate your one man attempt to ensure that everyone knows about the bs that is Snapnames, NameJet and Adam Dicker.

Thanks for the encouragement. I didn't know about NameJet. If you point me to the documentation of NameJet's ethical shortcomings, and that documentation substantiates your grouping NameJet with other proven auction cheats such as Dicker and Snapnames, then I will as vociferously spread the word about NameJet as I have spread the word about other bottom-feeders in the domain auction business. Point in the right direction, please.

cache · Nov 5, 2012

paid the membership at dnf, but don't use it much. Did not know the godaddy auction event, allowed or not it is not ethical.

I remember snapnames VP Halvarez did bid against me many times, but I never got any compensation from the settlement.

HeyNow · Nov 5, 2012

cache said:
paid the membership at dnf, but don't use it much. Did not know the godaddy auction event, allowed or not it is not ethical.

I remember snapnames VP Halvarez did bid against me many times, but I never got any compensation from the settlement.

Sadly, you paid money to Adam Dicker for DNF membership then discovered he was a domain auction cheater.

By the way, VP Halvarez never went to jail for stealing from you and others at auctions, nor did anyone else at Snapnames for that matter.

The joke of it all (if it weren't so disgusting) is the frequency these scumbags are held in high esteem by others in the domain business.

Watch your own back. The auctioneers and major players in this arena seem to be willing to push you off of a cliff while hanging on to your wallet rather than eek out an honest living. Stealing is easy, especially when the police don't understand what's going on.

Kate · Nov 5, 2012

HeyNow said:
Sadly, you paid money to Adam Dicker for DNF membership then discovered he was a domain auction cheater.

Do you have proof that while he was working at godaddy Adam actually had access inside information, and that he not bidding like any other customer ?
I think that from an ethical POV it is problematic for godaddy employees to be allowed to bid in domain auctions, against their customers (I understand that now the practice is no longer allowed), so I am not defending anyone here. But I am curious, do you have inside knowledge that we should know about ?

HeyNow · Nov 5, 2012

sdsinc said:
Do you have proof that while he was working at godaddy Adam actually had access inside information, and that he not bidding like any other customer ?
I think that from an ethical POV it is problematic for godaddy employees to be allowed to bid in domain auctions, against their customers (I understand that now the practice is no longer allowed), so I am not defending anyone here. But I am curious, do you have inside knowledge that we should know about ?

You must be joking. It's not my job to educate you here after numerous posts and documentation proving my point have been previously posted. I'm not your private tutor.

Every now and then some nudnick pops up in this thread and says something like, "Show us the proof!" Then the proof is presented and the nudnick is thereafter quiet. Here we go again.

Kate · Nov 5, 2012

Proof of what ? You keep rehashing the same stuff that we all know about. Give us something new since you seem to be knowledgeable (thanks God I found you, until then I didn't know about all the scum in this industry).
And no there is no free pass, I do not forget and I do not forgive

equity78 · Nov 5, 2012

Kate does make a very good point. I think these are two separate scenarios.

Scenario 1 Adam Dicker one of the largest domainers in the world takes a job with Go Daddy but says I certainly am not going to be shut out of auctions and hurt my own business so he bids in Go Daddy auctions, Which was allowed by his employer.

Scenario 2 Adam Dicker uses his position at Go Daddy to access private information such as proxy bids and what other domains bidders might have in their account to use as another indicator of how much the name might mean to the person bidding with all this other data on the bidder.

In Scenario 1 Go Daddy is wrong and is providing an unethical business practice. If Dicker had no other knowledge just a big bank roll then he did nothing wrong.

In Scenario 2 Adam Dicker used info he should not have been privy too and took advantage of the other bidders. Much worse.

I do not believe anyone has ever proven Dicker used private information to win auctions.

I would ask you HeyNow if you worked at Go Daddy and were also a domainer, would you want to be able to bid on auctions just like everyone else ? With no info of course, just that you could put your money up and bid.

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