.co .CO - The Discussion, Showcase and Sales Report Thread

No personal attack, just understand your niche. Clicks from legal keywords can translate into a lot of money, so the fact "law directory" has only 480 exacts means little. It IS difficult to rank, in a short period of time, for high CPC legal terms with 400 exacts. Please pick a high CPC legal term and show us how within a month how you can top the Google rankings for it ( I mean plus $150). I would be interested and there is probably something for me to learn. if you indeed can do it. Please PM me, I'm interested in learning as much as I can.

BTW, descriptions are extremely important. If the word "directory" is in the website description, bet your bottom dollar it is important for them. No talking around it.


Funny auction of the week:

IndianTube.co for 1.5 Million at Godaddy. Don't even think about getting me in a bidding war for this one! My heart is set on it.

MattheP said:

I didnt say anything about traffic type, monetization or domain quality. The fact is, 480 are low numbers (=> low competition for _exact_ term) and its easy to rank for such term with 1 page of unique content and 3 or 4 relevant backlinks (domain can be com,net,tv,co, whatever).

About description, google does not rely much on it in some cases. Google for that topic if interested, there are numerous discussion about how and if desc tag counts for google nowdays.

And I dont know why personal attack on me. I am not seo master (what a funny expression) or anything. I just have many sites online, and I make for living with them. Better they are ranked, better revenue I get, so it happens I know something about SERP.

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You are correct, thanks.

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emjohn said:

Funny auction of the week:

IndianTube.co for 1.5 Million at Godaddy. Don't even think about getting me in a bidding war for this one! My heart is set on it.

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Yeah, but with an opening big of just $40k!

emjohn said:

No personal attack, just understand your niche. Clicks from legal keywords can translate into a lot of money, so the fact "law directory" has only 480 exacts means little. It IS difficult to rank, in a short period of time, for high CPC legal terms with 400 exacts.

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"Law Directory" is not a high CPC term and only has medium competition.

Let's compare it to other big legal terms -

Law Directory -

480 Global Exact
170 Local Exact (US)
$1.17 CPC (Traffic Estimator)
.50 Competition

Dui Attorney -

4400 Global Exact
4400 Local Exact (US)
$14.13 CPC (Traffic Estimator)
.95 Competition

Personal Injury Attorney -

8100 Global Exact
6600 Local Exact
$15.11 CPC (Traffic Estimator)
.98 Competition

"Law Directory" is not even that great of a keyword in it's own field.

"Legal Directory" (.77 Comp), "Lawyer Directory" (.79 Comp), and "Attorney Directory" (.72 Comp) all have higher search volume.

Brad

bmugford said:

"Law Directory" is not a high CPC term

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CPC is irrelevant if you're a lead gen site.

I doubt it matters what an ad gets - what matters is what a lawyer pays you direct (assuming that is what the site does).

A personal injury lawyer may pay $100 for a lead.. and more for a conversion.. but never pay anything for an ad on dubious keywords.

defaultuser said:

CPC is irrelevant if you're a lead gen site.

I doubt it matters what an ad gets - what matters is what a lawyer pays you direct (assuming that is what the site does).

A personal injury lawyer may pay $100 for a lead.. and more for a conversion.. but never pay anything for an ad on dubious keywords.

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Right, but CPC is also an indication of commercial value and competition of a term.

"Law Directory" is just not that great of a term.

It really shows how limited development is in .CO when ranking for such a marginal term is a big deal to some.

Brad

bmugford said:

Right, but CPC is also an indication of commercial value and competition of a term.

"Law Directory" is just not that great of a term.

It really shows how limited development is in .CO when ranking for such a marginal term is a big deal to some.

Brad

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But i dont know and you dont know if the guy running the site is a legal speaker who hands out business cards all day long... Which makes ranking on search largely irrelevant.

My point is really that commenting on rankings for various made up keywords and finding a site on the top 10 says largely nothing.

This is i think your point too.

How was this site even found to discuss? probably not while looking for a lawyer... Probably while looking for .co + SEO or .co +keyword +ranking etc.

I think you are too focused on just this one term. A term like "law directory" lends itself to multiple pages where other high paying keywords reside. How many "mesothelioma lawyers" exist in a good directory? Lots. Let's not narrow it down so much that it kills the whole enterprise. If there is a "law directory" site and you think that that is the only keyword you will be targeting, think again. It is the gateway to a much larger payday, low CPC or not. It is the gateway to every kind of lawyer possible with separate pages and opportunity for nice profit.

It's funny how some get so caught up in the domain name that they fail to see the big picture. If LawDirectory.co has a big data base of lawyers, they are bound to benefit from this.

BTW, if you think lawyers only pay a miniscule "$100" finder's fee, think again. Depending on the area of law, you can look into the $1500-$2000 range. That is a matter of contacts.

Rather than look purely at a domain, take a look from the perspective of very established sites. One branch leads into another. The barriers are thin at best.

It depends on your scope of thinking and creativity.

bmugford said:

Right, but CPC is also an indication of commercial value and competition of a term.

"Law Directory" is just not that great of a term.

It really shows how limited development is in .CO when ranking for such a marginal term is a big deal to some.

Brad

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You can always see the difference between a "pure" domain seller and a website builder. The lack of vision by pure domainers,in most cases, is sometimes staggering. It is akin to comparing a real estate agent to someone who has built a house from the ground up and understands the nuances in fine detail. The architectural/engineering detail that is required from a true "builder" is so much more than what a "statistician" can offer. Domaining is full of statisticians who are unwilling to do the tough work in order to make a website successful. And that's a shame.

By focusing so intently on a keyword, and it's immediate flip value, one can't possibly see the forest for the trees.

emjohn said:

It IS difficult to rank, in a short period of time, for high CPC legal terms with 400 exacts. Please pick a high CPC legal term and show us how within a month how you can top the Google rankings for it ( I mean plus $150).

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It's not high CPC term (I will not go to my adwords account now to check, but according to Bmugford, its .50c).

About how to rank well, that site is good example - unique content and good, keyword rich, canonical url structure with proper tags (from different titles to Hx tags), which is easy to accomplish with some good CMS like wordpress. In this case, phpLD script is very good for that job. And relevant backlinks of course...
About description, do you know that google does not takes keyword tag any more (to prevent SERP manipulation)? Word is, description (will) share its fate. At the end, its all about content and relevant linking. Sadly for us, domain name does not count much any more.

But we are offtopic here, EOD from my side.

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emjohn said:

I think you are too focused on just this one term. A term like "law directory" lends itself to multiple pages where other high paying keywords reside.
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It is the gateway to a much larger payday, low CPC or not.
BTW, if you think lawyers only pay a miniscule "$100" finder's fee, think again. Depending on the area of law, you can look into the $1500-$2000 range.

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BTW lawdirectory.tv, .eu and some other extensions are free. If you hurry, you can start making fortune from cpc in no time

MattheP,

You seem like a reasonably intelligent person and I'd like to save you the trouble of getting into arguments with the .co defenders here. They will spin you until you lose your mind.

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emjohn said:

Clicks from legal keywords can translate into a lot of money, so the fact "law directory" has only 480 exacts means little. It IS difficult to rank, in a short period of time, for high CPC legal terms with 400 exacts. Please pick a high CPC legal term and show us how within a month how you can top the Google rankings for it ( I mean plus $150).

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emjohn said:

I think you are too focused on just this one term. A term like "law directory" lends itself to multiple pages where other high paying keywords reside.



By focusing so intently on a keyword, and it's immediate flip value, one can't possibly see the forest for the trees.

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I apologize for running a successful business on a model that actually works. If it was so easy everyone would do it.

As someone who has "vision" and is clearly an expert on development, surely you have some amazing examples of what you have built.

Can you share those with us?

Brad

emjohn said:

You can always see the difference between a "pure" domain seller and a website builder. The lack of vision by pure domainers,in most cases, is sometimes staggering.

Domaining is full of statisticians who are unwilling to do the tough work in order to make a website successful. And that's a shame.

By focusing so intently on a keyword, and it's immediate flip value, one can't possibly see the forest for the trees.

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First, the comparison, as has been pointed out, to Lawyers is a bad one. They're targetting stuff like "find a lawyer" where they are #1 in Google, Yahoo/Bing and I'm sure many other related keywords.

Yes, it's easy to rank for stuff that gets low searches like law directory, (also lawyer directory would be better). Of course law topics would be harder than a lot of other topics.

And yes, you have domains, just for the domains and you have sites. Both models work and a lot of other models.

The law directory term probably doesn't bring in much traffic at all but who knows what some of the other terms are bringing in. I don't have access to their stats, not going to start typing in different terms to see where they would rank. Have no idea how much money they're making with the submits, I see they have different paid options.

A domain just for it being a domain to resell later down the line is one thing. A site is a different animal. I know a lot of times with domains, just the main keyword is looked at and how much Exact it may have. But when building a site, and if you have a decent one, most of the traffic tends to be to inner pages on many different related searches.

When I look at a domain for a site I want to actually build myself. I look at the main keyword but also main keyword + some other keywords, those would be other pages that will get traffic.

So you all have some points here and there.

Your model is a statistician's model. It is the worst possible model around. Based on pure calculation. That's about it.

Sorry bud, but you are talking out of your rear end. Over the last 2 years it's clear what you do. Not creating but calculating. There is a huge difference between the calculators and creators. Go to wish.co.uk. These guys create. They are a full business. Domaining is not a full business but a word game.

See the difference.

QUOTE=bmugford;4320657]I apologize for running a successful business on a model that actually works. If it was so easy everyone would do it.

As someone who has "vision" and is clearly an expert on development, surely you have some amazing examples of what you have built.

Can you share those with us?

Brad[/QUOTE]

emjohn said:

Your model is a statistician's model. It is the worst possible model around. Based on pure calculation. That's about it.

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Worst model for what? Obviously not making money (because I think banking, insurance, betting have all been fairly successful business models).

So what is it the worst for? Being creative?

I really fail to see your point on this one.

I think Van Gogh was broke on his death.... but his painting are worth a fortune now. I guess that's the best model.

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emjohn said:

Ever heard of balanced investments? Nobody, except Robert Cline, said that .co would compete with .com.

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So is this a creative or statistical model?

I'm sure BMugford is very successful at what he does. That model is just not for me. I prefer working on sites than to pure keyword analysis.

defaultuser said:

Worst model for what? Obviously not making money (because I think banking, insurance, betting have all been fairly successful business models).

So what is it the worst for? Being creative?

I really fail to see your point on this one.

I think Van Gogh was broke on his death.... but his painting are worth a fortune now. I guess that's the best model.

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So is this a creative or statistical model?

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Now who is actually the spinner? Taking quotations out of context will you? Blah...

The argument was not one over .CO, it was more about keywords and revenue.

rusty1000 said:

MattheP,

You seem like a reasonably intelligent person and I'd like to save you the trouble of getting into arguments with the .co defenders here. They will spin you until you lose your mind.

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emjohn said:

By focusing so intently on a keyword, and it's immediate flip value, one can't possibly see the forest for the trees.

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Well it's a domainer forum so our focus is obviously on domains with built-in value ie strong keyword + good extension.
Any domain can be made valuable if developed, doesn't mean all domains were made equal.
So what makes .co so special or worthy ? Ignore the marketing for a moment and you'll see there is no forest without trees.

You've taken a perfectly good saying and turned it into something that can't be recognized. Turning an insight into a logical mehehe just doesn't work.

I see what you are saying. I'm just saying that building a site, with many keywords, offers something different than just going by CPC of the main domain keyword. Overfocus on the keyword within the domain does nothing for website builders or brands. When you build out, you see so many more opportunities.

No offence to pure domainers, but that's how it goes.

sdsinc said:

Well it's a domainer forum so our focus is obviously on domains with built-in value ie strong keyword + good extension.
Any domain can be made valuable if developed, doesn't mean all domains were made equal.
So what makes .co so special or worthy ? Ignore the marketing for the moment forest and you'll see there is no forest without trees.

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NameBio reports the sale of OptionsTrading.CO for $4,200.

emjohn said:

You've taken a perfectly good saying and turned it into something that can't be recognized. Turning an insight into a logical mehehe just doesn't work.

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You started it.

emjohn said:

I see what you are saying. I'm just saying that building a site, with many keywords, offers something different than just going by CPC of the main domain keyword. Overfocus on the keyword within the domain does nothing for website builders or brands. When you build out, you see so many more opportunities.

No offence to pure domainers, but that's how it goes.

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And we've been saying this. You act sometimes like it doesn't matter what other people are saying. Brad understands this... it's just not the model he wants to use. Somehow his model got called the "WORST" of all? Because yours is the best?

If EVERYTHING is about development and creativity and nothing is about Keyword and Flip model why is there any value in .CO at all? Why do we even talk about investing only in the top keywords (your words)... why not develop on average .coms? or cheaper .infos?

I was reading about different Wedding-related Startups, and I thought this was cool. DressRush.com (a wedding dress exchange/marketplace) is becoming Tailored.co:

http://tailored.co/

It's a legitimate, developed site that unfortunately requires FB for access (which I don't like), but it has been covered in some of major bridal blogs like Stylemepretty. I was impressed to see people in the comments spelling the website address properly. Nobody commented that it was weird that it wasn't built on a .com.

I know it's just one example, but it's nice to see this sort of development.

NLP said:

http://tailored.co/

It's a legitimate, developed site that unfortunately requires FB for access (which I don't like)...

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I'd avoid almost any site requiring logging into my FB to access it. That said, I was able to access the site w/out logging into FB.

Sales at Sedo:

OptionsTrading.co $4200
Hail.co $1150 GBP

News

Colombia Becomes the Newest Member of the International Trademark System - from TheDomains

http://www.thedomains.com/2012/05/30/colombia-becomes-news-member-of-the-internetal-trademark-system/

What do you think this means for .CO?

a search for "dedicated server hosting" eventually came up with a .co in google front page

Here's a nice available for you all. DropCatch.co. Could setup a blog with daily lists of .co domains dropping.

NLP said:

Colombia Becomes the Newest Member of the International Trademark System - from TheDomains

http://www.thedomains.com/2012/05/30/colombia-becomes-news-member-of-the-internetal-trademark-system/

What do you think this means for .CO?

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.CO has signed up for UDRP so I don't think it really means anything much. It just makes it easier for a company to defend their TM globally than previously.

Domainers should check the Madrid DB as well as TESS. I think WIPO, hence the UDRP, will strongly support any TM listed in the Madrid. It would still be part of a UDRP claim and the other parts would still need to be proved - bad faith etc.. but the establishment of TM is much simpler.

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On a sidebar note.. I was over reading TheDomains this morning and thought maybe it was worth sharing here after all.

I guess Robert Cline finally lost the plot completely over on TheDomains.com. Not sure what this means in the long term but given his IPs are banned I can only imagine this is positive news for .CO (This is something that Mr Berkens doesn't do often afaik so it's quite a step).

Nothing kills the D2D market like one idiot that makes a mockery of everything everywhere. I guess he can still chill out on Elliot or wherever.. but a .CO free zone over at TheDomains? Best .CO news since ... well... since OptionsTrading sold for > $4K

Haven't seen the fall out but I'm sure lots of celebrating was done.