.tv Just got off the phone with Enom, regarding older premiums (Pre 2010 land/goldrush)

The difference is, you paid for your car ONCE and faced the devaluation. With .tv domains that fall in the premium category, each year you will have to pay more than what others will.

Acroplex said:

The difference is, you paid for your car ONCE and faced the devaluation. With .tv domains that fall in the premium category, each year you will have to pay more than what others will.

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Actually I financed and pay monthly... and oh yeah, forgot to mention... they have 0%APR now too... how fair is that?

I understand it's different. I understand it's stupid. I understand that it's not fair. I understand that the people who run things reserve the right to do what they want.

OK LOL I get it :D Yeah, 0% APR - let me guess, it's a Toyota :D

Acroplex said:

OK LOL I get it :D Yeah, 0% APR - let me guess, it's a Toyota :D

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No. It's a premium car. Limited run. All sold.

FYI:

Watch.tv had the following... I believe this is called "truth by omission"

Michaela B., VeriSign on 03.26.2010 said:

Thank you for your comments and feedback. It’s been a busy week for .tv! Several of your posts have discussed renewal prices for existing Premium .tv domains. Let me try to answer why we implemented a different pricing structure for the Premium .tv relaunch and new Premium .tv registrations going forward: the new pricing model is geared towards stimulating new interest and registrations, creating buzz and driving awareness of .tv as the address for online video – all things we believe will grow the value of the .tv brand and ultimately help increase the value of your premium .tv domain name portfolio.

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I didn't accuse you of anything, other than not making any sense. If you own $100k worth of .tv domains - the very same that are now worth $10k total due to the new non-premium pricing, then how can you still support the .tv registry and not lash out on them? Of course your only recourse will be to drop the names, unless you can blow enough dough to sue them for suckering you out. The .tv registry made you believe you are holding onto a diamond that now decides to call it a stone made of glass. Isn't that a scam?

Acroplex said:

I didn't accuse you of anything, other than not making any sense. If you own $100k worth of .tv domains - the very same that are now worth $10k total due to the new non-premium pricing, then how can you still support the .tv registry and not lash out on them? Of course your only recourse will be to drop the names, unless you can blow enough dough to sue them for suckering you out. The .tv registry made you believe you are holding onto a diamond that now decides to call it a stone made of glass. Isn't that a scam?

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well, actually my fees are closer to about 75-80k/yr. i was just rounding up for hyperbole's sake.

but lets be clear - they didnt *make* me believe anything. *if* i'm a fool its my own fault and has nothing to do with them. so why should i lash out at them. same thing as if i bought an over-valued domain from you. as long as you didnt lie about some essential property then as an adult i have to accept responsibility for my own actions.

am i not right? what part of this still makes no sense to you, bro?

and like i said, if they do nothing to relive me of this burden then i'll probably drop at least half or more of them.

btw, how many legacy premiums are you sitting on?

Acroplex said:

The .tv registry made you believe you are holding onto a diamond that now decides to call it a stone made of glass. Isn't that a scam?

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Sadly, until Verisign see the wisdom in allowing a one-off 'buy-out' of old 'premium' names by their old and loyal owners - say a years premium - to even the field, then this statement is correct. We have indeed been 'had'.

The present system, although beneficial to the new blood coming into .TV is nothing but a 24 carat slap in the face to all the legacy holders of premium names. The sad thing is that the damage is being done to the very people who helped push .tv, and believed in .TV in the first place.

I think many early-adopters will be the first of a new breed of early-disinvestors should this shambolic system be the REAL policy of Versign (which I doubt it actually is).

What we have at the moment causes no end of confusion to the aftermarket. I had a person contact me last night to ask that I STOP/REFUSE a sedo offer because he believed, after making his offer, that the name might be a premium (it was showing in ahead as being such). In reality, it was a goldrush name that cost $19.99 and not a premium at all.

How many more cases of 'confusion' like this before we end up with a market punctuated with the fear of buying a 'lemon'.

VERISIGN - sort yourself out, before the market sorts it out for you.

I think bot Acro and finster have their points over Verisign policie's.
This another example to show how bad policy Verisign was following until now and how bad treats older premium holders/investors.

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I don't know if anyone has asked this and I apologise if the answer has already been given but IMO it is not clear wether "Legacy" domains have to continue to be held at Enom.

As we all know there are numerous other registrars that now handle both premium and non-premium .tv's and the holder has the choice to transfer between registrars at any time.
I presume this still does not apply to "Legacy premiums" but a clear cut answer would be nice............Although nothing seems to be clear when it comes to the subject of "Legacy premiums".

Len said:

I don't know if anyone has asked this and I apologise if the answer has already been given but IMO it is not clear wether "Legacy" domains have to continue to be held at Enom.

As we all know there are numerous other registrars that now handle both premium and non-premium .tv's and the holder has the choice to transfer between registrars at any time.
I presume this still does not apply to "Legacy premiums" but a clear cut answer would be nice............Although nothing seems to be clear when it comes to the subject of "Legacy premiums".

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Len if you mean trying to transfer a premium domain before it gets dropped or renewed with premium fee I must tell that all domains are locked from the registry so we cant move them elsewhere.
I guess this will not change if premium domains get renewed unless they drop and get registered without the the premium renewal fee.

I think you are right Makis. The old premiums cannot get transferred. Fin what about Premiums regged before ENOM ? They could lower those. Its getting complicated because there is no transparency.

I shall repeat myself: a registry that calculates renewal fees based on a "premium" tag - that can change at any time - is not worthy of giving my money to. Shame on the .tv Registry and eNom for playing along.

Acroplex said:

I shall repeat myself: a registry that calculates renewal fees based on a "premium" tag - that can change at any time - is not worthy of giving my money to. Shame on the .tv Registry and eNom for playing along.

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I agree. :imho:

Caveat emptor,
Jeff

equity78 said:

I think you are right Makis. The old premiums cannot get transferred. Fin what about Premiums regged before ENOM ? They could lower those. Its getting complicated because there is no transparency.

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There is less than zero transparency and a lot of deals done exclusively with certain people who met Enoms criteria (ie spent big bucks), the right to buy names at a one off price before it was open to all of us...

that stinks and would be insider trading if Enom was run as a public company IMHO

So not only is there two tiered system of .tvs, there were and probably still is patronage and exclusive deals taking place with those in the money....

In plain words, Enom and its leader Richard Rosenblatt are whoring out the .tv extension


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Yeah Millers I already know that out of personal experience.

Makis.TV said:

Yeah Millers I already know that out of personal experience.

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Im sure you do Makis. Along with alot of other people.

I cant think of a comparable company that deals in domain names that is as shady as Enom with regard to .tv.

Last night I was watching American Greed about the collapse of Enron....I was thinking of calling up the shows producers to to an expose of Enom's business practices. Just like Enron, I believe that the rot starts at the top and works its way down.

MillersCrossing said:

In plain words, Enom and its leader Richard Rosenblatt are whoring out the .tv extension.

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My gut feeling always told me to stay away from enom! Thank god I did %%-

A BIG thanks should go to TWO MOON and etittle for letting the world, know about TWO big events:

1. The letter that said there is a pre-Goldrush offer available

2. That domain names could be bought for reg fee in then so-called 'GoldRush'


These two members deserve a their own Millers-made poem/rap for giving us the heads-up!

finster said:

the registry is not much different imo than any domainer,they have a right to set their own prices for things, just like you have the right to set prices for the names you own. is that a scam? if so then all domainers are scammers too. basicly capitalism is kind of a scam, huh? lol

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The problem here, the TLD is unregulated and pricing is at the whim of the registry. Investors/end users dislike the risks. It's not even about the 'zany' pricing, but the lack of predictability that still persists to this day, in spite of the recent moves from verisign.

sdsinc said:

The problem here, the TLD is unregulated and pricing is at the whim of the registry. Investors/end users dislike the risks. It's not even about the 'zany' pricing, but the lack of predictability that still persists to this day, in spite of the recent moves from verisign.

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.TV is a leased domain belonging to Tuvalu. Who is fit to regulate it? Not I nor anyone on this board.

Everyone who bought a legacy premium did so in full knowledge of what that meant at the time. I've bought plenty and, after changing my mind, dropped plenty before this day arrived.

However, sometimes the right thing to do is just that, not becasue its illegal or unethical to do otherwise but just because its gracious or smart, a gesture that promotes good will.

Since its clear that yearly premiums are a thing of the past, except for a handful of legacies, it would be a gracious move on eNom's part to relinquish there rights to keep imposing legacy premium fees. As a holder I would appreciate that and would express my satisfaction by continuing our business relationship in this and other areas. And that makes it a smart move financially, cause if they dont a lot of legacies will be dropped. Most probably - so that money goes up in smoke - and a lot of future domain business will find its way elsewhere - a lot more than what the will ever make on legacy premiums.

I dont know about others but I would be happy if I could pay one more year of premium renewal and then be granted standard renewal status. Thats a win/win for all as far as I cansee.

Fin, obviously someone gave you the info you provided in the earlier post which makes sense. Although not all premiums were managed by ENOM. Now maybe since they all got moved to ENOM. Its all under Enom. If Enom is the one then they should make a definitive statement. Then people know how to respond. And the boycott of Enom will begin, they are not well liked by many so that should not be too hard to get that started.

Millers brings up some other interesting points.

i agree with fin

but lets make our first line of defense, one more premium payment at the new fee , so we can compromise at one more at the old fee, otherwise we'll end up paying 2 more years at the old.