domain quantumerp.com

[ejbear99]

What value would you put on the domain quantumerp.com?

GoDaddy appraisal is $1617

Thanks!

 

[MKA]

What value would you put on the domain quantumerp.com?

I would not buy it for the registration fee, because I think the cost of renewal, transaction fees, and VAT would exceed whatever price you'd get for it.

0 backlinks, negligible search volume, too man characters, too many syllables, a combination of a term and an abbreviation.

If a company wanted this brand they'd just go with qerp.com, and there would be no point in securing quantumerp.com, anymroe than there would be in securing quantumenterpriseresourceplanning.com.

GoDaddy appraisal is $1617

Thanks!

Godaddy's Appraisal Tool is the most misleading appraisal service available. It overvalues worthless domains and undervalues valuable domains to condition sales and services.

In fact there's a thread on this forum by @Domain Research Labs that lists thousands of domains Godaddy's Appraisal Tool appraises to be worth $1,750+ that are unregistered.

 

[DealMaker1]

I would not buy it for the registration fee, because I think the cost of renewal, transaction fees, and VAT would exceed whatever price you'd get for it.

0 backlinks, negligible search volume, too man characters, too many syllables, a combination of a term and an abbreviation.

If a company wanted this brand they'd just go with qerp.com, and there would be no point in securing quantumerp.com, anymroe than there would be in securing quantumenterpriseresourceplanning.com.


Godaddy's Appraisal Tool is the most misleading appraisal service available. It overvalues worthless domains and undervalues valuable domains to condition sales and services.

In fact there's a thread on this forum by @Domain Research Labs that lists thousands of domains Godaddy's Appraisal Tool appraises to be worth $1,750+ that are unregistered.

I think Astner pretty much covered it all with this response. There is no magic appraisal service that can tell you what something is worth. GoDaddy may be the best one (that doesn't say much) because occasionally it will show you some similar sales. But still pretty useless altogether.

All things being as they are, Astner gave you all the reasons you should drop it as soon as possible.

 

[MKA]

GoDaddy may be the best one (that doesn't say much) because occasionally it will show you some similar sales. But still pretty useless altogether.

I disagree. I think Estibot is the best one, but you have to understand what it does and how it appraises value.

While Estibot is useful for exact match domains, and to a limited degree generic domains, it's absolutely terrible for brandables, abbreviations, numeric, and alpha-numeric domains. The reason for this is because search volume on Google doesn't have a lot to do with the value of these domains.

For example, a numeric domain is going to have its volume determined by the Chinese market, and the phonetics of a numerical domain (in Chinese) is what in large part determines its value. But Estibot isn't programmed to identify this. So the appraisal a numeric domain on Estibot is likely going to be highly misleading.

But as long as you understand the limits of Estibot it can be a helpful tool.

 

[Revisiting]

I'm not sure, Quantum and ERP are ever going to make it as a term on the domain front. I wouldn't be speculating over such pairings. far more and better probable's to be had.

 

[DealMaker1]

I disagree. I think Estibot is the best one, but you have to understand what it does and how it appraises value.

While Estibot is useful for exact match domains, and to a limited degree generic domains, it's absolutely terrible for brandables, abbreviations, numeric, and alpha-numeric domains. The reason for this is because search volume on Google doesn't have a lot to do with the value of these domains.

For example, a numeric domain is going to have its volume determined by the Chinese market, and the phonetics of a numerical domain (in Chinese) is what in large part determines its value. But Estibot isn't programmed to identify this. So the appraisal a numeric domain on Estibot is likely going to be highly misleading.

But as long as you understand the limits of Estibot it can be a helpful tool.

I disagree. I started using estibot 10 years and stopped 9 years ago. It is a purely fictitious number with some cockamamie pseudo-analytics. At least GoDaddy is to some degree based on real life sales.

But feel free to use whichever one wets your whistle.

 

[DealMaker1]

I'm not sure, Quantum and ERP are ever going to make it as a term on the domain front. I wouldn't be speculating over such pairings. far more and better probable's to be had.

Yes. Speculating in domains can lead to a quick exit. Most people are bad at speculating. Something to keep in mind for all those positive-thinking speculators out there.

 

[MKA]

I disagree. I started using estibot 10 years and stopped 9 years ago. It is a purely fictitious number with some cockamamie pseudo-analytics.

No, it's based off the sales of domains of the same extension, similar character-length, similar CPC, and similar search volume.

If search volume and CPC are the determining factors for the value of a domain, like it is with exact match domains then Estibot will give you a fair estimate. Of course, you still have to confirm that the data is reliable: if it bases the appraisal of from 15 years ago then it's not going to mean much.

At least GoDaddy is to some degree based on real life sales.

It does. But it doesn't tell you anything about the comparative sales, when they sold, or why it selected them for comparison. Meaning that they're worthless. If you don't know why GoDaddy selected a particular comparison, how can you determine if reliable?

An example is LLLvpn.com. These are all listed for $1,000+. Why? Because hmavpn.com sold for roughly that amount. Why? Because there's a VPN service called "Hide My Ass," and hmavpn.com redirects to hidemyass.com. But that's also the only site with the term "VPN" appears.

But if you decide to pick up a bunch of LLLvpn.com you're going to lose money.

GoDaddy's Appraisal Tool is there to condition sales. It's so that people will register worthless domains, or hire their brokers to get in contact with people with extremely valuable domains, so they can throw a $24,000 offer for almighty.com. The offers are going to get rejected, but the brokers are going to make money.

But feel free to use whichever one wets your whistle.

No. It's about accuracy. Go to namebio.com and pick two random domains (EMD or generic) that recently sold and then compare Estibot and then GoDaddy's Appraisal Tool, and see which ended up the closest to the sales value, and take notice of the discrepancies.

 

[Revisiting]

it's based off the sales of domains of the same extension, similar character-length, similar CPC, and similar search volume.

I think most of us can accept that. The trouble is you then have to build in the Number of domains registered of similar characteristics to truly arrive at the possibilities of a sale. Which is where most quoting these valuations are amiss. In their logic all domains have a buyer and all of equal (or thereabouts) value for a domain of similar acceptability. And that's not the case.
You can argue in favor of just about any valuation (based on statistics) if your choosing which of the relevant parameters to leave out.

Could you imagine if these valuation services truly incorporated all relevant data.

recent sales value = $XXX
number of similar domains registered or available = XXX,XXX

Our value therefore equals $XXX with a .000001 chance of an actual sale

 

[DealMaker1]

No, it's based off the sales of domains of the same extension, similar character-length, similar CPC, and similar search volume.

If search volume and CPC are the determining factors for the value of a domain, like it is with exact match domains then Estibot will give you a fair estimate. Of course, you still have to confirm that the data is reliable: if it bases the appraisal of from 15 years ago then it's not going to mean much.


It does. But it doesn't tell you anything about the comparative sales, when they sold, or why it selected them for comparison. Meaning that they're worthless. If you don't know why GoDaddy selected a particular comparison, how can you determine if reliable?

An example is LLLvpn.com. These are all listed for $1,000+. Why? Because hmavpn.com sold for roughly that amount. Why? Because there's a VPN service called "Hide My Ass," and hmavpn.com redirects to hidemyass.com. But that's also the only site with the term "VPN" appears.

But if you decide to pick up a bunch of LLLvpn.com you're going to lose money.

GoDaddy's Appraisal Tool is there to condition sales. It's so that people will register worthless domains, or hire their brokers to get in contact with people with extremely valuable domains, so they can throw a $24,000 offer for almighty.com. The offers are going to get rejected, but the brokers are going to make money.


No. It's about accuracy. Go to namebio.com and pick two random domains (EMD or generic) that recently sold and then compare Estibot and then GoDaddy's Appraisal Tool, and see which ended up the closest to the sales value.

Essentially it will be neither. None of these appraisers are worth a thing. I've used them all. You can fool yourself by trying to get the market to conform to analytics, but this will be the death of the industry.

I often wonder why people want, so badly, to predict the future with analytics models. It is at best a deception...trying to sell a conceptual framework that may only have value if you can convince someone that it is true (and it generally isn't). The majority of "new age" millionaires (that Warren Buffet has spoken against) have made wealth whilst supplying nothing, product or service. Somehow they were able to scam bankers and investors alike that their conceptual fairyland, build on analytics models, had some value in the world. In most cases, there was nothing there...just snake-oil salesmen who made off like bandits.

I feel the same way about any of these appraising models...they are geared to making themselves richer and you poorer, so I don't use them at all. It's better to simply go to Namebio and see recent sales and judge your domain accordingly.

However, it's really not my business. If people invite a scam, I'm cool with it. With such reliance on analytics, it is a natural consequence that we will be watching robots play baseball rather than humans and everything will be predictable - not that life really is that way, just that people try to mold everything into their preconceived frameworks.

So...go to the appraiser if it makes you feel better.

 

[MKA]

I think most of us can accept that. The trouble is you then have to build in the Number of domains registered of similar characteristics to truly arrive at the possibilities of a sale. Which is where most quoting these valuations are amiss. In their logic all domains have a buyer and all of equal (or thereabouts) value for a domain of similar acceptability. And that's not the case.

I'm not arguing for Estibot as the be-all-end-all tool for domain appraisal. I'm saying that can useful tool if you understand how it works and what you're looking for.

You can argue in favor of just about any valuation (based on statistics) if your choosing which of the relevant parameters to leave out.

Yes. That's why I'm pointing out search volume and cost-per-click as relevant factors for Estibot. If you have an abbreviated domain, don't bother appraising it with Estibot.

Essentially it will be neither. None of these appraisers are worth a thing. I've used them all. You can fool yourself by trying to get the market to conform to analytics, but this will be the death of the industry.

Now you're going down a slippery slope. Of course no appraiser is going to be perfect...but it doesn't need to be. It needs to be good enough and provide you with the relevant data, so that you can determine the reliability of the appraisal.

I often wonder why people want, so badly, to predict the future with analytics models. It is at best a deception...trying to sell a conceptual framework that may only have value if you can convince someone that it is true (and it generally isn't). The majority of "new age" millionaires (that Warren Buffet has spoken against) have made wealth whilst supplying nothing, product or service. Somehow they were able to scam bankers and investors alike that their conceptual fairyland, build on analytics models, had some value in the world. In most cases, there was nothing there...just snake-oil salesmen who made off like bandits.

I feel the same way about any of these appraising models...they are geared to making themselves richer and you poorer, so I don't use them at all. It's better to simply go to Namebio and see recent sales and judge your domain accordingly.

However, it's really not my business. If people invite a scam, I'm cool with it. With such reliance on analytics, it is a natural consequence that we will be watching robots play baseball rather than humans and everything will be predictable - not that life really is that way, just that people try to mold everything into their preconceived frameworks.

So...go to the appraiser if it makes you feel better.

Like I explained, it's not about making myself feel better. It's about arriving at a reliable understanding of a domain's value.

It's even useful in negotiations since end-users seldom have a grasp of the value and need convincing before they agree to an offer. To this end, analytic data is useful.

 

[DealMaker1]

So which is the slippery slope? Verified domain sales or an unproven analytics model? It's the latter. But let me digress as I feel some skullduggery coming around...

To trade domains is actually a very difficult enterprise. It attracts such outlandish people from every corner of the internet/planet who are looking for a quick buck. Just take a look-see over at eBay and you will find all the problems of domain pricing in one place. Goofy people registering terrible domains and looking for a quick windfall. That's why domaining will never have any real traction as a physical commodity would in the real world.

Because there are no friends beside you whilst you are at your computer screen writing in a buy-it-now price of 1 mill for a ridiculous domain like rumours.blog (for example) chiding you for a moronic pricing, domains will never be widely accepted as a legitimate business. It hasn't changed in the last fifteen years and it won't in the future (because for some unknown reason people would rather spend money on domains than lottery tickets).

I think some analytics models are good for conservative, business prognostications. Banks require them to have a general idea about where their loan money will be going. But that's about it. But not for appraisals in extreme markets like domains. It is a fool's prophecy.

I know quite a few investors who are in the "fool me twice" phase. They were taken by the "fancy" yet vacuous promise of probability analytics models and were left with lint in their pockets by some concept-monger who swindled them. They learned their lessons and they are lucky they have such good accountants who do their write-downs.

In a nutshell, I'm skeptical of anyone trying to use analytics in domain pricing, of any kind. And that is the actual slippery slope.

 

[MKA]

So which is the slippery slope? Verified domain sales or an unproven analytics model? It's the latter. But let me digress as I feel some skullduggery coming around...

I'm not sure what you mean with unproven? How do you appraise a watch, car or a house? By comparing it to previous sales. Is this a guarantee that your house is going to sell for as much as your previous neighbor's? No. But it can give you a good idea of what your house is worth.

The exact same reasoning holds true for domains.

To trade domains is actually a very difficult enterprise. It attracts such outlandish people from every corner of the internet/planet who are looking for a quick buck. Just take a look-see over at eBay and you will find all the problems of domain pricing in one place. Goofy people registering terrible domains and looking for a quick windfall. That's why domaining will never have any real traction as a physical commodity would in the real world.

Listing prices aren't an issue, because listing price has nothing to do with value. If I list my worn socks on eBay for one million dollars that's not going to change the fact that they're worthless.

And (good) domains do have traction. There are only so many good company names, and re-branding is usually not a good idea if you've blown millions on marketing for your previous brand.

Because there are no friends beside you whilst you are at your computer screen writing in a buy-it-now price of 1 mill for a ridiculous domain like rumours.blog (for example) chiding you for a moronic pricing, domains will never be widely accepted as a legitimate business. It hasn't changed in the last fifteen years and it won't in the future (because for some unknown reason people would rather spend money on domains than lottery tickets).

Yes, but that's a mistake. They think they're playing the lottery. But in order to actually make any money, you have to approach it analytically and set a fair price.

I think some analytics models are good for conservative, business prognostications. Banks require them to have a general idea about where their loan money will be going. But that's about it. But not for appraisals in extreme markets like domains. It is a fool's prophecy.

I know quite a few investors who are in the "fool me twice" phase. They were taken by the "fancy" yet vacuous promise of probability analytics models and were left with lint in their pockets by some concept-monger who swindled them. They learned their lessons and they are lucky they have such good accountants who do their write-downs.

In a nutshell, I'm skeptical of anyone trying to use analytics in domain pricing, of any kind. And that is the actual slippery slope.

It's just a rough estimate based off a particular set of data.

If someone fires me an email saying that they're interested in one of my domains, I'm going to present them with a price that I consider to be a fair upper bound, and I determine that price analytically. And if they want me to justify the price then I'll do so.

 

[DealMaker1]

Sure.

 

[LPJONES]

Should I reject pipquick.com for similar reasons to the ones given above? It's valued around £1300 on GD and comparable domains sold at around 2500. Thanks in advance.

 

[DealMaker1]

Should I reject pipquick.com for similar reasons to the ones given above? It's valued around £1300 on GD and comparable domains sold at around 2500. Thanks in advance.

It's a good name for forex trading. I could see it being sold for a couple grand.

 

[MKA]

Should I reject pipquick.com for similar reasons to the ones given above? It's valued around £1300 on GD and comparable domains sold at around 2500. Thanks in advance.

It's a lot better because it has fewer characters, two syllables, and it's not a mix of full- and abbreviated terms.

The main issue is that it's in the financial sector (where there are few clients, and where clients can afford to be picky) and there are better alternatives, e.g. quickpip.com, piptrades.com, pipyield.com, etc.

 

[DealMaker1]

It's a good name. Keep it.

 

[MKA]

It's a good name. Keep it.

He doesn't own it. It's not registered.

 

[DealMaker1]

He doesn't own it. It's not registered.

It's better than most names I see here, registered or not.

 

[MKA]

It's better than most names I see here, registered or not.

Yes, but if he doesn't own it there's no point in registering it because it would be a difficult sell, with its wholesales value being zero (so there are no guarantees he'll ever be able to sell it).

I'm not registering it and you're not registering it, so neither of us believe that the the risk is worth the potential reward. So why would we recommend him to register it?

 

[DealMaker1]

Yes, but if he doesn't own it there's no point in registering it because it would be a difficult sell, with its wholesales value being zero (so there are no guarantees he'll ever be able to sell it).

I'm not registering it and you're not registering it, so neither of us believe that the the risk is worth the potential reward. So why would we recommend him to register it?

Analytics again. Don't waste your time. I hear a lot of words and little substance.

 

[MKA]

Analytics again. Don't waste your time. I hear a lot of words and little substance.

What are you talking about? You're not registering this domain, but you're telling @LPJONES that it's a valuable domain. If you believed it was valuable you would've registered it by now and put it up for sale. The fact that you haven't means that either a) you're a really nice guy, or b) you don't really believe it's valuable.