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It happened on 23rd Aug 2022 and this matter lasted almost one month without any process. Masterbucks.com declined my fund withdrawal and disabled the button of fund withdrawal. And I contacted Epik.com and got no further action even if Rob Monster got involved in it for two weeks. All the time I was told in email by management review.

What is wrong with Epik.com? Do you think it is normal to disable fund withdrawal? How can I get back my fund from Epik.com? Thanks for your suggestion.

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Anyone else experiencing a delay in 2FA TXT messages when logging in?
 
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No I didn't expedite, because I didn't want to add any extra steps.
I've never had to expedite before, on the 5th day my transfers have always been automatic.

Even Epik acknowledges this standard in confirmation email, the transfer is automatic.

I don't trust Epik at all, they have a job to follow transfer OUT protocol according to ICANN policy. There is no expedition requirement for fully paid domains.

Epik is failing their customers, and I advise anyone with domains there to start transferring out ASAP. Save every invoice, copy all account records, because Epik is on the verge of total implosion by the end of Q1 2023.

You can have your domain at the new registrar in less than 24 hours if you activate 2FA and manually approve the transfers.
 
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You can have your domain at the new registrar in less than 24 hours if you activate 2FA and manually approve the transfers.
I don't trust anything to do with Epik anymore.
I've used the FederatedIdentity.com sign in for years, now that has been taken down as of this morning and the sign in is id.epik.com.

You are assuming 2FA still works, even though others are having 2FA issues too.

I don't want to add any steps, as the domains should have automatically been transferred yesterday evening. Once this set has transferred automatically, I will try the 2FA option with my remaining domains at Epik.

But I don't trust Epik.
 
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When I logged into Epik a couple of days ago they were still using federatedidentity .com so it must have changed over the weekend or today (Monday).
They stopped using federated last night. Log in was off line for a while.
 
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You are assuming 2FA still works, even though others are having 2FA issues too.

It does.

Use Google Authenticator or similar services instead of the SMS text option.
 
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It does.

Use Google Authenticator or similar services instead of the SMS text option.

Ill try 2FA option with the remaining domains.
 
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They stopped using federated last night. Log in was off line for a while.

A lot of confusion going on at Epik.
The login page at Epik still shows the Federated Identity logo.

Plus, you can still log in to the Federated Identity website with your Epik credentials if you visit federatedidentity.com.
 
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A lot of confusion going on at Epik.
The login page at Epik still shows the Federated Identity logo.

Plus, you can still log in to the Federated Identity website with your Epik credentials if you visit federatedidentity.com.
I assume they will eventually remove all the images/links.

Just an FYI for all, I've had no issues re domain renewals and/or moving. It seems I've been very lucky based on what others have experienced. I hope, for those of us that cant move bulk names for financial reasons, they get things straightened out soon.
 
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Masterbucks.com and Bitmitigate.com "Sign In" both still redirect to federatedidentity.com.

It will be interesting to see if Masterbucks.com will also use the id.epik.com service soon. After all, on TrustPilot, Epik claims that the revamped Masterbucks service really is a separate entity, not to be confused with Epik.

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Masterbucks.com and Bitmitigate.com logins still redirect to federatedidentity.com.

It will be interesting to see if Masterbucks.com will also use the id.epik.com service soon. After all, on TrustPilot, Epik claims that the revamped Masterbucks service really is a separate entity, not to be confused with Epik.
Who knows what they are doing, but I would assume it would be id.masterbucks .com instead.
 
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Maybe Masterbucks is a separate organization, but it only reflects Epik's debts. Money does not come from anywhere in this organization, there is no money in it.
 
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Agree. Furthermore:

  1. DNProtect was an Epik service after all, and Bill Hartzer helped Epik developing the service.
  2. It turns out that in fact Epik was the one doing shady things with customer domains (udrp, domain theft).
  3. The DNProtect.com domain name is now for sale by Epik, and the service is no longer active.
  4. Epik doesn't offer 'forever' registration anymore.
  5. Most probably, a lot of these 'forever' domains fail to be renewed as we speak, due to lack of funds.
  6. Are there any 'forever' customers on this forum who can successfully claim the $10k 'warranty protection' mentioned by Rob?
Just to clear a few things up:

1. DNProtect was never ever an Epik service. Period. Separate project, separate company than Epik.
2. The only "shady" thing with customer domains that YOU might call "shady" is the issue with the Patterns.com domain. Nothing else that I am aware of, related to DNProtect.
3. Yes, someone took down the DNProtect domain name and website without my permission or knowledge. The services are actually still available (through me directly since I was the only one ever providing the service).
4. I have no idea about "forever" registrations, as it was never connected in any way to DNProtect.
5. That's just speculation on your part, no one knows if they will fail to be renewed due to lack of funds.
6. For some reason you're mistakenly connecting 'forever domains' with the $10k warranty protection. There actually was never ever any warranty protection. When it was offered at one time a while back, the customer chose how much they wanted covered for each domain. Again, I'm not sure why you're connecting 'forever domains' with DNProtect, as they were always completely separate products/services and had nothing to do with each other. And, someone buying a forever domain was never offered some sort of 'warranty protection'. That never existed, it sounds like it's something that you made up.
 
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Wondering if an Excel expert could give me a hand... @bmugford ??
Suppose I have my list of domains in Column A, and Epik's list in Column B. What formula do I need in order to check whether any values from my list appear in their list?...
In excel, there is a function for "highlight duplicates".

Find and remove duplicates
  1. Select the cells you want to check for duplicates. ...
  2. Click Home > Conditional Formatting > Highlight Cells Rules > Duplicate Values.
  3. In the box next to values with, pick the formatting you want to apply to the duplicate values, and then click OK.
 
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So someone with access at Epik could login as a customer, then push a domain to another account in theory?
Could they make other domain or account changes?
They could but it was still logged.
What does that look like in the system? Does that look like the customer moved the domain or made the changes?
No it was logged as the employee account did it; but these changes were usually not shown in the customer portal. (Maybe it was still visible from the task list though)
All login as were also logged but it went a lot further, every API call was logged.
When a domain search was made for instance, a push started, ..

How did my domain PianoMoving.com move to another account after about a month of ownership?
It was clearly done internally by Epik, as only they had access to do it.
If you didn't do it, then yes. However it wasn't needed to use the "login as" feature to achieve this. There was a "Push to account" feature inside of the admin directly; this was faster to do a push. (You searched for a domain, accessed its details page then clicked a push to account link, it requested the new account email and that's it)

Epik should be able to produce all of these records.
They should be able to provide them to a court or ICANN. Now I don't think they would release them to a customer directly.. Depending on when the domain left your account, you could try to look into the epik data leak (if it happened after)

1) When you did a "login as" to a customer account were you able to edit their account - CC details, domain transfers, masterbuck transfers as that customer?
CC details, domain transfers; Yes (You couldn't see the existing card's CVC though)
But not masterbucks transfers. What you could do is spend their masterbucks on epik products BUT this would show in the Masterbucks page inside of Epik and you needed to have a good reason to do this, you can't spend users' funds for no reason. I was very careful when interacting with the in-store balances as well.

2) Did you or other admins have access to all logs or only your log report?
I had access to all logs but I was admin. It's possible users with less privileges couldn't see it at all.

3) Where both the registry and registrar dates displayed in UI for users?
The user portal showed the registrar date, just like Epik's WHOIS. To get the registry date you can easily get it from the registry (See https://lookup.icann.org/en)

4) So epik updated in real time when user tries to renew but the registry renewal could take more time. Was there a way to verify the registry date and update registrar date through some cron job? How would they know if registry failed to update record?
The registry renewal could take more time because of how the system was created, it's a normal behavior. (A queue system because it had to be sent by EPP, and there was a pool of processes connecting to EPP picking tasks from the system and reporting their result when done) - It's also great because it allows to scale easily.
If a task failed, for any reason, it would create an error in the task system. There was a page inside of the admin showing all failed tasks and we could easily restart them if needed.
Also important to note that a task could failed for many reason, for example if the registry thought your address was invalid, they could refuse to do your registration and that created an error.

5) Do you know how many admin types there were and was there a super admin and that account show up in log reports as well?
I think there were super admins but for something to not show in the reports, the changes had to be done either outside of the admin or be subsequently erased by accessing the DB manually.
This wasn't very frequent because it's not a good use of tech ressources.
 
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Again, I'm not sure why you're connecting 'forever domains' with DNProtect
Again, Rob made this connection. I'm just quoting him. Please solve your issues with him.

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The only "shady" thing with customer domains that YOU might call "shady" is the issue with the Patterns.com domain. Nothing else that I am aware of, related to DNProtect.
It was about Epik, and is discussed in this thread at the moment.
 
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If you didn't do it, then yes. However it wasn't needed to use the "login as" feature to achieve this. There was a "Push to account" feature inside of the admin directly; this was faster to do a push. (You searched for a domain, accessed its details page then clicked a push to account link, it requested the new account email and that's it)
Thanks for that information.

Epik already admitted they moved it internally. I just wanted to know why I would not receive notification and there would be no record in my account. I only noticed it missing weeks later. It was only after I noticed they offered a refund.

This was a $900+ domain not some handreg.

They should be able to provide them to a court or ICANN.
Yeah, I assumed that. I anticipate them getting that opportunity.

CC details, domain transfers; Yes (You couldn't see the existing card's CVC though)
But not masterbucks transfers. What you could do is spend their masterbucks on epik products BUT this would show in the Masterbucks page inside of Epik and you needed to have a good reason to do this, you can't spend users' funds for no reason. I was very careful when interacting with the in-store balances as well.
So then who at Epik would have access to do this, just wipe out someone's balance?
Also, how would they do it?

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Just to clear a few things up:

1. DNProtect was never ever an Epik service. Period. Separate project, separate company than Epik.
Could you provide the share breakdown, Bill?

3. Yes, someone took down the DNProtect domain name and website without my permission or knowledge. The services are actually still available (through me directly since I was the only one ever providing the service).
Seems like you are another of Epik's victims.

Regards...jmcc
 
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Epik already admitted they moved it internally. I just wanted to know why I would not receive notification and there would be no record in my account. I only noticed it missing weeks later. It was only after I noticed they offered a refund.

This was a $900+ domain not some handreg.
If it was done outside the customer portal it didn't send an alert to the previous owner as far as I remember, but I remember there was also an option for that. I would just need to check the data leak to review the source code again and confirm it.

So then who at Epik would have access to do this, just wipe out someone's balance?
Also, how would the do it?
Ah, I need to explain a few more things to answer this one; Will do.

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How it worked is that as a user, you had an account at both Epik and Masterbucks.
Epik had access to an internal API of Masterbucks. This API allowed you do do purchases on Epik, or see your Masterbucks balance from the Epik checkout page for instance.

Both systems were separate but Masterbucks had a limited API in place to make them work together.
In this case, it didn't use the API though.
Masterbucks also had an admin, but they weren't the same admins.
A very limited amount of people had access to this one, compared to Epik's admin.
Only these people could have wiped out a user balance.
 
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Both systems were separate but Masterbucks had a limited API in place to make them work together.
In this case, it didn't use the API though.
Masterbucks also had an admin, but they weren't the same admins.
A very limited amount of people had access to this one, compared to Epik's admin.
Only these people could have wiped out a user balance.
Then essentially only someone at a very high level would have access to do this.

Do you know who would have access to these tools?

Is this like a CEO/COO level tool, or would it go down to others in operations, like a VP for instance.

I appreciate the valuable information you are providing here.

Brad
 
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Just to clear a few things up:

1. DNProtect was never ever an Epik service. Period. Separate project, separate company than Epik.
You can see where the confusion comes from. First 5 seconds of the video, it literally says:

DNProtect - an epik service

 
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You can see where the confusion comes from. First 5 seconds of the video, it literally says:

DNProtect - an epik service

Thank you. This has also been extensively debunked in Bill's AMA thread. It remains extremely vague. Rob and Bill contradict each other.

Now that Bill is reading about Rob's $10k warranty in relation to dnprotect, I can imagine him reacting this way atm.
 
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